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I don't know either, but I can discern the season. The world is the same as it was in the days of Noah.
That can be one explanation, But the 2 days when He will revive us doesn't relate to when He was in the tomb.
Those 2 'days', have been the 2000 years of the Church age. Next to come will be the 'day', when we will live in His Presence. The Millennium reign of King Jesus.
Making Prophesies fit a preconceived agenda is not wise.
Per the prophets pov at the time, they all would have been future events, even if some of those events happened a week later, or whatever. They would still be future events since prophets typically prophesy about future events, not past events.
The best proof is the fact that nearly 2000 years HAVE passed since Jesus was here.How do you prove through the Scripture your assumption that 2 days equals 2000 years of the Church age Keras? Is there Scripture to support your assumption?
There are many instances found in the Old where the LORD came in wrath against not only the nation, but other nations as well. These are past historical events. But they are not prophecies foretelling the coming day of the Lord when Messiah would come. That is a future event for those living before the advent of Christ. That's why the prophets all FORETELL of the Day of the Lord that shall come. The same is true of the New Covenant authors. They too write the Day of the Lord is coming AGAIN on the last day (One) of this age called the Day of the Lord.
In every case; excepting with Noah's Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah, the Lord used other peoples to carry out His punishments.There are many instances found in the Old where the LORD came in wrath against not only the nation, but other nations as well
The best proof is the fact that nearly 2000 years HAVE passed since Jesus was here.
Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8, give us the formula. What those 2 scriptures tell us is not just some airy fairy homily, but an exact way to interpret Prophesies like Hosea 6:2.
I am sure that Jesus knew there would be a long time before He will Return. Matthew 28:20
We can also use that formula to know what Revelation 8:1; the Seventh Seal means. That Seal is a time gap of about 20 years earth time. 1/48th of a day in heaven = 1/48 of a thousand years on earth.
Isaiah 13 describes events that have never yet happened. As do all the other Prophesies about that Day, the forthcoming Sixth Seal worldwide disaster and world changer.Take Isaiah 13, for instance. That mentions the day of the Lord.
Take Isaiah 13, for instance. That mentions the day of the Lord. A lot of interpreters think that day of the Lord was already fulfilled ages ago. I don't. It seems to be describing some of the same events recorded per the 6th seal in Revelation 6, where Jesus also mentioned those same events in Matthew 24:29. And since, as far as I can tell, the day of Lord events recorded in the OT involve His wrath and judgment, it doesn't make sense to me why you apply the day of the Lord to both His first coming and His 2nd coming, rather than His 2nd coming only.
In every case; excepting with Noah's Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah, the Lord used other peoples to carry out His punishments.
In the forthcoming great and terrible Day when He will send His fiery wrath, He will again use His Creation, this time the sun, to literally fulfil what is so vividly Prophesied for the next reset of our civilization. That Day is the one which will come as a thief, unexpectedly and shocking everyone.
It has been a Spiritual resurrection. We have received the Gospel and accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus. As Jesus said: I was sent to save the lost House of Israel....Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Imo, this part depicts a resurrection---he revive us---he will raise us up. The question is, what kind of resurrection? A spiritual resurrection, such as the first resurrection per Revelation 20 and how Amils interpret that resurrection? Or a bodily resurrection, such as the first resurrection per Revelation 20 and how Premils interpret that resurrection? Well, except for you of course
I reject all those labels.Personally, I think you would probably make a better Amil than a Premil since some things that you propose make zero sense assuming Premil.
No. Not specifically stated, but Hosea 6:1-3 does, as its context is about the Return and the Millennium.How do you prove through the Scripture your assumption that 2 days equals 2000 years of the Church age Keras? Is there Scripture to support your assumption?
Read the OP and #8, for some of the details about what will happen.I agree that the Lord did indeed use other nations to pour out His wrath upon not only Israel, but Gentile nations also. But the Day of the Lord encompasses far more than the wrath from God that will be poured upon the earth when Christ comes again. Whatever means God uses to send down the devouring fire from heaven makes no difference, because the utter destruction will be from Him and complete, nonetheless.
Lamentations is not prophecy about future events. That’s why it’s called Lamentations.Per the prophets pov at the time, they all would have been future events, even if some of those events happened a week later, or whatever. They would still be future events since prophets typically prophesy about future events, not past events.
So in your view, the coming day of the lord does not include wrath?Jeremiah is not speaking of the Day of the Lord coming. He is describing the day the LORD came in wrath. BIG DIFFERENCE!
So in your view, the coming day of the lord does not include wrath?
Is that the BIG DIFFERENCE?
Past judgment days where God poured out His wrath upon disobedient, apostate nations is not prophesy of the coming Day of the Lord. When the prophets write of the Day of the Lord it is always a future coming of events, not past events that speak of the wrath of the Lord coming to the nations just as God promised they would.
Lamentations 2:22 (KJV) Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed.
In Lamentations the day of the LORD'S anger speaks in the past tense.
But when prophesy pertains to the coming of Christ the Messiah, throughout the Bible the Prophets speak of the day of the LORD as coming, or near, and both great and terrible both to save and to punish.
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Jer 46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
Eze 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.
Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Am 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Am 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
Ob 15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
Zep 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
Zep 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
Zep 2:2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
These Old Covenant Prophets are pointing to the same time as Daniel's prophesy of when Messiah the Prince shall come. We find the same example of the Day of the Lord coming in the New Testament books.
The “day of the Lord” is often used in the OT as national judgements, and written in hyperbolic world ending language. So I see no reason, to understand the NT uses any differently.
1.) the “day of the Lord” = God using Babylon to judge Egypt.
Ezekiel 30:2-4, 9-10
Wail, ‘Alas for the day!’3For the day is near,the day of the LORD is near; it will be a day of clouds, a time of doom fora the nations.4A sword shall come upon Egypt, and anguish shall be in Cush,when the slain fall in Egypt,and her wealthb is carried away,and her foundations are torn down.
On that day messengers shall go out from me in ships to terrify the unsuspecting people of Cush, and anguish shall come upon them on the day of Egypt’s doom;e for, behold, it comes!“Thus says the Lord GOD:
“I will put an end to the wealth of Egypt,
by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon.
notice this “past event” is referred to as a day of the Lord, counter to your argument.
Jeremiah 46:2, 10
2About Egypt. Concerning the army of Pharaoh Neco, king of Egypt, which was by the river Euphrates at Carchemish and which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon defeated in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah:
10That day is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts,
2.) the “day of the Lord” = God using the meads to judge Babylon
Isaiah 13:1, 6, 17
1The oracle concerning Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.
6Wail, for the day of the LORD is near;
as destruction from the Almightycit will come!
17Behold, I am stirring up the Medes against them,who have no regard for silverand do not delight in gold.
3.) the day of the Lord = God using Assyria to judge Israel, and exile them.
Amos 5:20, 27
Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light,and gloom with no brightness in it?
27and I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the LORD, whose name is the God of hosts.
4.) the day of the Lord = God sending babylon to judge judah.
Zephaniah 1:4,7, 12
“I will stretch out my hand against Judah
and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
7Be silent before the Lord GOD!
For the day of the LORD is near;
At that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps, and I will punish the men
who are complacent,
That all being said, i still have no idea where you are getting that the day of the Lord being = to the entire gospel age…..
God is using these historical events of His judgment and wrath as examples for what will come when the Day of the LORD has come. These are mere preludes to the utter destruction that will finally come upon the whole earth. Just as God judged Israel and pagan nations in the past so too will the whole world be judged with the coming Day of the Lord, that will come upon the earth when the promised Messiah finally comes. It is His DAY that is coming, and it will end in darkness, clouds, gloominess and eternal death for all the enemies of God, not only Israel and Egypt but every nation on this earth. But it will also be a day of deliverance for all who trust in Him.
Zephaniah 1:7-8 (KJV) Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests. And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Obadiah 15-17 (KJV) For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
right, the day of the Lord is darkness, gloom, and wrath often associated with national judgement.
None of what you posted supports that the “day of the Lord” should be understood as the gospel age.
none of what you posted addresses the incorrect argument you made that the OT never mentions a past wrath of God as a day of the lord (see Jeremiah 46 which calls the past defeat of eygpt by Babylon a day of the Lord).
None of this addresses why the hyperbolic and world ending language of the day of the Lord in the OT should be understood as completely different in the NT.
As already shown, Zephaniah’s day of the Lord is national judgement against judah
Zephaniah 1:12
12At that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps,and I will punish the men
who are complacent,e
obadiah’s “day of the Lord” is national judgement
against Edom
obadiah 1:1 Thus says the Lord GOD concerning Edom:
Obadiah 1:10 10Because of the violence done to your brother Jacob,
Obadiah 1:15 15For the day of the LORD is near upon all the nations.
As you have done, it shall be done to
you;
Obadiah 1:18 and the house of Esau stubble;they shall burn them and consume them,and there shall be no survivor for the house of Esau,for the LORD has spoken
100% pure speculation based solely on your previously held bias.One nation coming under the wrath of God does not the Day of the Lord make. Those national judgments are likened to the great and terrible Day of the Lord that would come when Messiah came to earth, but the Day of the Lord that comes with utter destruction from the Lord of the whole earth will be the Day of the Lord's coming AGAIN the prophets foretell. In this age, since the Messiah has come is the time for building the Kingdom during this age the prophets foretell coming as the Day of the Lord.
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