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Day 18, Proverbs Chapter 18

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Proverbs 18
Everyone read Chapter 18 if it is the 18th day of the month today. Come back and give us your thoughts....Tishri1 :wave:

Proverbs 18 New International Version (NIV)

18 An unfriendly person pursues selfish ends
and against all sound judgment starts quarrels.

2 Fools find no pleasure in understanding
but delight in airing their own opinions.

3 When wickedness comes, so does contempt,
and with shame comes reproach.

4 The words of the mouth are deep waters,
but the fountain of wisdom is a rushing stream.

5 It is not good to be partial to the wicked
and so deprive the innocent of justice.

6 The lips of fools bring them strife,
and their mouths invite a beating.

7 The mouths of fools are their undoing,
and their lips are a snare to their very lives.

8 The words of a gossip are like choice morsels;
they go down to the inmost parts.

9 One who is slack in his work
is brother to one who destroys.

10 The name of the Lord is a fortified tower;
the righteous run to it and are safe.

11 The wealth of the rich is their fortified city;
they imagine it a wall too high to scale.

12 Before a downfall the heart is haughty,
but humility comes before honor.

13 To answer before listening—
that is folly and shame.

14 The human spirit can endure in sickness,
but a crushed spirit who can bear?

15 The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge,
for the ears of the wise seek it out.

16 A gift opens the way
and ushers the giver into the presence of the great.

17 In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right,
until someone comes forward and cross-examines.

18 Casting the lot settles disputes
and keeps strong opponents apart.

19 A brother wronged is more unyielding than a fortified city;
disputes are like the barred gates of a citadel.

20 From the fruit of their mouth a person’s stomach is filled;
with the harvest of their lips they are satisfied.

21 The tongue has the power of life and death,
and those who love it will eat its fruit.

22 He who finds a wife finds what is good
and receives favor from the Lord.

23 The poor plead for mercy,
but the rich answer harshly.

24 One who has unreliable friends soon comes to ruin,
but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother.

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Hi,
There will be few thoughts on this one.
LOVE,
...Mary,, .... .
Proverbs 18New International Version (NIV)
18 An unfriendly person pursues selfish ends
and against all sound judgment starts quarrels.

[So, an unfriendly person is selfish. That is what this says.]
{I know only two extremely friendly people. Both of them, one of whom is dead now, were beyond what humans call unselfish. They only worked for others.}

2 Fools find no pleasure in understanding
but delight in airing their own opinions.

[OhMy. Some here on the forums, have great difficulties in inderstanding and a fool to God is one who does not want to do what God wants a person to do. He does not fear displeasing God.]
{Yes, there are ones, who only care about thier own opinions. This I have seen.}

3 When wickedness comes, so does contempt,
and with shame comes reproach.

[I did not know this. So, when one is contemptuous one is secretly or not, wicked.]
{I have no idea how shame comes before reproach.}

4 The words of the mouth are deep waters,
but the fountain of wisdom is a rushing stream.

[And what does words mean here? Is it Words, from God? Is it the wors of a person? I do not know.]
[and what does, wisdom here mean? Is it the woman to me. Is it the characteristic? And why a rushing stream as opposed, and what might that mean?]

5 It is not good to be partial to the wicked
and so deprive the innocent of justice.

[So even here and in Proverbs 9:7-9, wickedness is to be fought, at all times, as not fighting it hurts the innocent.]
{And I was supposed to learn. When I did my teacher was withdrawn. I have things for you also. This the anges said to the man, and the man said to me. Part of what I was to learn, is that justice and rightiouness, mean the same thing. To be just and rightious is to fight evil, all of the time. If I fight and die, fine. If I fight and win, some innocent person, can stay innocent a little longer from that evil one, or that particular evil.}
[So, here I am to fight always. I did not know that.]

6 The lips of fools bring them strife,
and their mouths invite a beating.

[I wonder what this means.]
{Ah, yes. I have known a Biblical fool meaning no fear of God. They seem wise to themselves, it seems. And both of these guys, do not fear The Lord, God The Father, nor His Son, nor His Holy Spirit. What they fear, if anything, that, I am unaware of in these two individuals. And both of them are continually in strife, and in one persons case, it was God I say, ,who beat him. But, he still does not fear The Lord, as the Bible defines that set of words.}

7 The mouths of fools are their undoing,
and their lips are a snare to their very lives.

[Ouch, and I don't understand this well enough, to know which kind of fool, is being talked of here. Is it fool, as we humans define that, or is it fool as God defines that.]

8 The words of a gossip are like choice morsels;
they go down to the inmost parts.

[If gossip is false and misleading, then yes I understand this. If gossip is merely finding out what is true, and telling others, then this, I do not understand.]

9 One who is slack in his work
is brother to one who destroys.

[I don't understand.]

10 The name of the Lord is a fortified tower;
the righteous run to it and are safe.

[I when nothing else is there, do run to God. ]

11 The wealth of the rich is their fortified city;
they imagine it a wall too high to scale.

[I imagine they do. Yet, what person of wealth is ever immune?]

12 Before a downfall the heart is haughty,
but humility comes before honor.

[This has happened to me much, I think. It hurts, but must be loved.]

13 To answer before listening—
that is folly and shame.

[I do not understand this. I might be guilty of this. I hope not. I will find out.]

14 The human spirit can endure in sickness,
but a crushed spirit who can bear?

[I could not bear a crushed spirit. I cannot.]

15 The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge,
for the ears of the wise seek it out.

[The heart of a discerning person.... I wonder what that means, in this context. How does it acquire knowledge?]
{Ah, a wise person, one who fears the Lord, listens, and then using love of God, can find out what is true, of God. Is that it? Does this mean that? }
[Is not Mary's word, Ponder, mean that one can get knowledge, who fears to hurt the feelings of God, because it is with love and loving God, that allows one to know what God would do in a particular circumstance, thus that is knowledge Biblically. It is taking on the knowledge of God.]

16 A gift opens the way
and ushers the giver into the presence of the great.

[Gifts work not for me. I hate gifts.]
{The only characteristic ever found in every leader in America that is needed to be succesful in leadership, is the ability to believably lie, and it starts in PreSchool.}
[So, is this about leaders who lie, or does it mean something else? Is it just true, for all people.]

17 In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right,
until someone comes forward and cross-examines.

[ ]

18 Casting the lot settles disputes
and keeps strong opponents apart.

[Yes, when things cannot be decided, it is good to ask God. Is that not what lots meant back then. Were not casting lots, merely asking God by signs, to decide someting?]
{I am tired. I will quit here.}

19 A brother wronged is more unyielding than a fortified city;
disputes are like the barred gates of a citadel.

[So, don't hurt your brother, or else it will be worse than the worst possible battle situation?]

20 From the fruit of their mouth a person’s stomach is filled;
with the harvest of their lips they are satisfied.

[ ]

21 The tongue has the power of life and death,
and those who love it will eat its fruit.

[ ]

22 He who finds a wife finds what is good
and receives favor from the Lord.

[One day, in a series of three, I listened to the ones who knew my husband well. I actually didn't believe this, as it for me is too incredible. "You are wrong. Look at how you responded. Your husband made the right choice. He did. He chose you."]

23 The poor plead for mercy,
but the rich answer harshly.

[Does this mean poor plead, when before the judge?]
{Does this mean the rich have contempt of the judge?}

24 One who has unreliable friends soon comes to ruin,
but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother.

[Recently, I read somewhere in proverbs of a friend who always loved. It seems that can only apply to God, as it is using the concept of always.]
{Reently, I read, that a brother is one who loves you in adversity. Only God seems like He is that also.}

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...Mary.,, .... .
 
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Verse 10 stood out for me....reminded me of other, similar verses throughout the Bible about God being a very present help in our times of trouble...

10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.
 
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Verse 10 stood out for me....reminded me of other, similar verses throughout the Bible about God being a very present help in our times of trouble...

10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

Hi,

And your words Brinny, could not have happened for me at a better time. That is precisely what I just went through. He came through for me....and now I would guess I am okay now, (well in a few days after I get over being hurt), and he is better than ever, in the knowledge of God.

Wow, to God and to you. I am happy that you love Him.

LOVE,
...Mary Katie., .... .
 
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Great Chapter for today for me-What stood out.....

13. A man's spirit will sustain his illness, but a broken spirit-who will bear it?
ידרוּחַ אִישׁ יְכַלְכֵּל מַחֲלֵהוּ וְרוּחַנְכֵאָה מִי יִשָּׂאֶנָּה:
A man’s spirit: The spirit of a גבר, who is a mighty man, does not take worry to heart, but accepts with joy and love whatever befalls him.
will sustain his illness: He does not lose his strength.

21. Death and life are in the hand of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its produce.
כאמָוֶת וְחַיִּים בְּיַד לָשׁוֹן וְאֹהֲבֶיהָ יֹאכַל פִּרְיָהּ:
and those who love it will eat its produce: He who loves his tongue and accustoms it to [speaking words of] Torah, partakes of its reward in this world.

24. A man acquires friends with whom to associate, and there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother.
כדאִישׁ רֵעִים לְהִתְרֹעֵעַ וְיֵשׁ אֹהֵב דָּבֵק מֵאָח:
A man acquires friends with whom to associate: A man who acquires friends for himself [will find] that the day will arrive when he will need them, and they will befriend him. Now, if you ask, “What of it?” there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother, for he will befriend him more than his kin and his brothers.
 
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Pro 18:1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom. 8 The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. 17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just.

Pro 18:12 Before honour is humility.
 
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Proverbs 18:10 "The name of the Lord is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe."

Proverbs 18:14 "A man's spirit will endure sickness, but a crushed spirit who can bear?"
 
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In reading chapter 18, verse 5 stood out for me:

"It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment."

this means, to me, to not take the side of the wicked, against the righteous, knowing it is a lie, and wrongfully accusing the righteous.
 
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13 What a shame—yes, how stupid!—to decide before knowing the facts!

15 The intelligent man is always open to new ideas. In fact, he looks for them.

17 Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight.

a) get the facts before deciding, b) be open to new ideas, c) make sure you hear both sides of the story before judging..
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...or you could say...'my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts'...(not advisable)
 
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In reading Proverbs 18, verse 3 stood out for me:

"When the wicked cometh, then cometh also contempt, and with ignominy reproach."

it was the word highlighted, "ignominy", that kinda stopped me in me tracks.

ignominy = disgrace; dishonor; public contempt; shameful or dishonorable quality or conduct

this is the opposite of wisdom and blessings, isn't it?

Reminds me of this:

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In reading Proverbs 18, the same verse stood out for me (verse 10). When life is like a stormy sea, it is a GOOD and comforting thing for God to be our Strong Tower, where we can find refuge, and safety, and comfort.

What a GREAT and GOOD God we have.

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In reading Proverbs 18, verse 5 stood out for me.....it reminds me of what is going on in this day and age, and therefore there are precious words of wisdom in this verse, a treasure.....

"It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment."
 
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In reading Proverbs 18, this verse stood out for me.

Precious.

I think of JOY when i think of a bubbling brook...like the brook is bubbling over with joy.

Wisdom and joy seem to be connected.

How delightful is THAT??!!!

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