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I guess my point is that since we know that Joseph wasn’t the Lord’s biological father, the fact that he is called his father can’t be taken as “proof” that he must be.
Languages, all languages, have grammar rules. Koine Greek existed long before the NT was written.I am well aware of the variety of uses. If you want to tell God he was wrong about Abram and Lot then go ahead. There are other examples right in the Bible. Your teaching about precedence and context is outside of the Bible.
I suppose there are folks like that. So many people wish to use their own understanding of modern English today in order to interpret English from the King James Bible. The Apostles taught from the Greek Septuagint, that's why the Catholic Church used it--about two thirds of the OT references in the NT are from the Koine Greek Septuagint.Languages, all languages, have grammar rules. Koine Greek existed long before the NT was written.
The disciples did not invent a new "holy," Biblical language to write the NT. They wrote in the common, every day koine Greek that all other Greek speakers understood so new Christians in Corinth, Ephesus etc. could readily understand what was written . OBTW "koine" means common.
I started learning to speak Greek the year of Sputnik 1 in Germany. I formally studied both Biblical languages at the graduate level about 2 decades after that.
I know lots of folks desperately want to hang on to their assumptions/presuppositions but without established grammar rules languages would be just so much noise.
Not just adelphos but all words, the rule is the primary definition takes precedence unless context indicates otherwise. In Greek, as in English, words are sometimes used figuratively.
I don't rely on the the KJV I read both Greek and Hebrew and I have grammars and lexicons for both languages.I suppose there are folks like that. So many people wish to use their own understanding of modern English today in order to interpret English from the King James Bible. The Apostles taught from the Greek Septuagint, that's why the Catholic Church used it--about two thirds of the OT references in the NT are from the Koine Greek Septuagint.
You don’t believe that since Joseph is called Jesus’ father that he must be his biological father though right?I disagree. Matthew 1:1-16 giving the geneology of Jesus from Abraham to Joseph is very clear evidence that Joseph was the father of Jesus.
"And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ" Matthew 1:16.
Let's say there are a number of fathers named Joe who have a daughter Tracy, does it logically follow that for a given Joe that Joe MUST be Tracy's biological father? Do we HAVE to declare Joe is Tracy's biological father? We simply don't have enough information to make such a conclusion. Even if the primary usage of the word "father" is for a biological father, it does not follow that non-biological fathers must all be declared biological fathers.You don’t believe that since Joseph is called Jesus’ father that he must be his biological father though right?
Languages, all languages, have grammar rules. Koine Greek existed long before the NT was written.
The disciples did not invent a new "holy," Biblical language to write the NT. They wrote in the common, every day koine Greek that all other Greek speakers understood so new Christians in Corinth, Ephesus etc. could readily understand what was written . OBTW "koine" means common.
I started learning to speak Greek the year of Sputnik 1 in Germany. I formally studied both Biblical languages at the graduate level about 2 decades after that.
I know lots of folks desperately want to hang on to their assumptions/presuppositions but without established grammar rules languages would be just so much noise.
Not just adelphos but all words, the rule is the primary definition takes precedence unless context indicates otherwise. In Greek, as in English, words are sometimes used figuratively.
You don’t believe that since Joseph is called Jesus’ father that he must be his biological father though right?
"We think" he disagrees with Jesus regarding Gehenna in Matthew 5:22, 18:8, 9, 25:41; Mark 9:43, 48; Luke 12:5, where the fire is not quenched and never goes out.
Oh my. That's such an interesting analogy. Thanks. - lolDo you own any pets... ?
Absolutely not. . .I agree with God regarding his justice. . .I didn't create it. . .I don't own it. . .I don't get to make the rules. . .and I don't get to run it.Don't see any er tension between your infernalist dogma and your footer verse quote from Jer 9:24 there, Clare?
This is what the LORD says:
"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches,
but let him who boasts boast in this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD,
All are compatible. . .and that's what justice is.who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,"
delcares the LORD.
'I the Lord delight in kindness, justice and righteousness, so roast them forever in burning tarpits. Bwahaha.'
Not my job to do that.Such perfect accord with scripture, reason and experience.
Do you delight in the idea of eternal torture of the many?
Not my call to make.Consider it as kind, just and righteous for a deity to hideously torture a creature for not loving that deity?
Are you thinking of comparing non-rational, amoral, instinctual, non-spiritual beings to rational, moral, intellectual, spiritual beings?Do you own any pets, Clare?
You're not very intelligent if you don't know more than one way to spell a word.Also, I'm guessing you don't read the quoted verse too often as
you've not picked up the misspelling of 'declares'.
I don't know if I have asked you this but I know I have asked other UR-ites this question when they say things like, "I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," delcares [sic] the LORD."Don't see any er tension between your infernalist dogma and your footer verse quote from Jer 9:24 there, Clare?
This is what the LORD says:
"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches,
but let him who boasts boast in this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,"
delcares the LORD.
'I the Lord delight in kindness, justice and righteousness, so roast them forever in burning tarpits. Bwahaha.'
Such perfect accord with scripture, reason and experience. Do you delight in the idea of eternal torture of the many? Consider it as kind, just and righteous for a deity to hideously torture a creature for not loving that deity? Do you own any pets, Clare?
Also, I'm guessing you don't read the quoted verse too often as you've not picked up the misspelling of 'declares'.
From what I have read, the first actual mention of Gehenna being "the perpetually burning city dump south of Jerusalem" comes from the 12th/13th century Rabbi David Kimhi. If this is true, and someone may correct me if I am wrong, then it seems highly unlikely that a first century text would have been alluding to this idea of Gehenna.We're still left with Jesus' own use of Gehenna (the perpetually burning city dump south of Jerusalem) in Matthew 5:22, 18:8, 9, 25:41; Mark 9:43, 48; Luke 12:5, where the fire is not quenched and never goes out.
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Most likely that Rabbi David Kimhi was a whistle-blower. The Gehenna/garbage dump connection was a coverup by those who gave us a Damnationist biased Bible translation.From what I have read, the first actual mention of Gehenna being "the perpetually burning city dump south of Jerusalem" comes from the 12th/13th century Rabbi David Kimhi. If this is true, and someone may correct me if I am wrong, then it seems highly unlikely that a first century text would have been alluding to this idea of Gehenna.
The first mention of my great grandfather's murder by my great grandmother was from my mother, who had the written confession of my great grandmother which was not public knowledge.From what I have read, the first actual mention of Gehenna being "the perpetually burning city dump south of Jerusalem" comes from the 12th/13th century Rabbi David Kimhi. If this is true, and someone may correct me if I am wrong, then it seems highly unlikely that a first century text would have been alluding to this idea of Gehenna.
Absolutely not. . .I agree with God regarding his justice. . .I didn't create it. . .I don't own it. . .I don't get to make the rules. . .and I don't get to run it.
Not my job to do that.
Are you thinking of comparing non-rational, amoral, instinctual, non-spiritual beings to rational, moral, intellectual, spiritual beings?
I know a false analogy when I see one.
You're not very intelligent if you don't know more than one way to spell a word.
Was God displaying His delight when He destroyed all the people in Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plains; men, women, infants, young, old?
Was God displaying His delight when He commanded Israel to go into Canaan and destroy all the people; men, women, infants, young, old?
Oh my. That's such an interesting analogy. Thanks. - lol
Do those who defend eternal conscious torment BBQ their pets when they misbehave? Sounds more like Moloch than our heavenly Father.
I am most pleased with God's Word written in the languages written.So you do agree that it's okay to torture defenceless animals for no better reason than they dared resist your will. And quite happy to sacrifice reason at the altar of modern western literalism. Why is it that you have so much trouble with the carazy idea that
ppl 2,000 years ago from the Hebrew tradition might have interpreted these passages a little differently to you?
Lol, whose job is it then? God takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked, but really enjoys torturing them in the name of justice...? It's so untenable Clare, whether from scripture, reason or experience.
No, I'm wondering if you object to torturing small animals. And I've seen animals with more character and smarts than some humans.
Some ppl lol.
I kinda' like it.'Delcares'? Gonna stick with it? Really?
That's still a far, far shorter time period than 1000+ years. Even worse, you are referring to what was, as you said, not public knowledge. If Gehenna was a garbage dump, that would have hardly been private knowledge!The first mention of my great grandfather's murder by my great grandmother was from my mother, who had the written confession of my great grandmother which was not public knowledge.
Translate: just because it is was supposedly discovered much later doesn't mean it is was not true at the time.
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