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Daughter refuses to be spanked

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This why im so thankful for God's guidance in me making the rt decision with my son in putting him into foster care caus I didn't know wht to do with him. And I find out he was abused when I wasn't around for 30 mins picking up cake. But by doing this gives me a chance t get help for myself in the abuse I suffered as a child and parenting classes. For spankings for me led to beatings to any plc I could br hit. And also God I'd giving me tools to control my anger. Some ppl dnt realize how this damages a child I had scares tht im jus now dealing with.
 
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It might not work for every child, but at least there are other things to mull through to see what works. :)

I have two very high needs kids, and one needs a lot of supervision and structure, and the other I can just give a dirty look to and he straightens up. :D It's funny how different they are in their nature where misbehavior goes. I hadn't been able to do so much GOYB stuff due to my health, but I am now. Lots of times redirect-redirect-redirect works, and sometimes it's more change of scenery and stand firm.

It helps more when BOTH parents are on the same page. Otherwise the kids don't know the rules and play both parties against each other.
I don't think spanking's the end all be all, but a last resort when absolutely every other method hasn't worked and warnings have been given.

Needless to say, that's not how I was raised, and I think I give my kids a more leeway than my parents ever would have. Of course, I do a lot of AP including bed-sharing for as long as the kids need it. Mine wouldn't have dreamed of doing that.

For me, Gentle Christian Parents has been a G-dsend.
 
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Dearest brethren, I am the father of nine wonderful children, may I speak?
There are lots of philosophies out there, lots of books, lots of "feelings," about spanking. BUT, what did God say?


Prov. 13

[24] He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.


If someone does not spank a child, in a loving way, that needs a spanking, they actually hate their child because they are teaching them that life has no bounderies, or consequences. I can hear the skeptic, "You cannot spank in a loving way!" Perhaps, you cannot, but if you have prayed for this child, nutured Momma for nine months, prepared your heart, dreamed of this beautiful child, yes, you can lovingly apply chastisement. God does to us, doesn't he?

Heb. 12
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.


When God, as a loving Father, sees you have gone too far, he sends chastisement into our lives. We know it when it comes. He does this out of love. He does this because we are sons, (and daughter,) of the King. Despise not the spanking, it is given for our good, likewise is our spanking of our children.

Prov. 22
[15] Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.


Who wants a fool for a child? Not me.

Psalm 14
[1] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

So, what shall we do when we see the sin of foolishness coming up in our child. If God be true, (AND HE IS,) we spank our child. We want God to drive foolishness far from our children. You say, "But, let me reason with my child about their foolishness." Sorry, God said, "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child..." You cannot, try as you may, you must spank sometimes.

Prov. 23
[13] Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

[14] Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Here's a doosie, who wants their child to die. . . and go to hell!?!?!? NO ONE here, surely! So, if my child is developing habits, tendancies, patternes that God has said are destructive, then IF I LOVE MY CHILD, I am going to spank him/her. God will use it to save them from dying as the wicked die, and from going to hell.

Prov. 29
[15] The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.


One poster said, "Don't spank, just forgive, he/she will grow up to be a bully." No, sorry friend, that is bad counsel Yes, don't ABUSE you child. Don't smack him/her in the face in anger. Don't strike them with the broom! BUT, if they need a spanking for VIOLATING GOD'S ETERNAL PRINCIPLES, then, lovingly, do the following:

1. Take them aside. Your not trying to embarrass them.
2. Teach them. Literally open God's word and show them, like this

Tommy has an anger problem with little Suzie, who took his favorite toy. So, you show Tommy:

Prov. 16
[32] He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.


Prov. 19
[11] The discretion of a man deferreth his anger; and it is his glory to pass over a transgression.


Just two of MANY you could use.

"Tommy, he that controls his temper is STRONGER that Uncle Dave," (whom everyone knows is a giant Moose of a guy!) And, "Controlling your anger shows that you are a wise man, (a man of descretion.) Do you understand, son?"

3. Apply the rod. Spank him. Not, two little swats. Spanking is used to bring out something he will need the rest of his life, a spirit that WANTS to repent, when Father has brought attention to sin! Amen?!?!? Now, in the old days, and old timers, (just ask Grandma,) they would bare them buns! This isn't wrong, but if you are worried about it, just bare their undies. Blue jeans, and such are TOO thick, they'll just cause you to waste your time. As an older Christian told me, he'd "Rosie them cheeks!" You want it to smart. You want them to see the negative consequence of their actions.

4. Now, love them up! Yes, that's right. When God corrects his children he does it for one reason, the restoration of sweet fellowship. When you are backslid, do you sense the sweet closeness of God and his approval? Of course not. Is there anything sweeter? Of course not. Give this same privilege to your child. They'll bless you for it, one day.

I have a 24 year old, big ol' strappin' boy. I love him. He's a man's man. He loves me and Momma and calls us "Blessed." We used to wear him out. Lord! He had a strong will That's what you want to control. Spanking is NOT to break the spirit, but the will. You want this:

Prov. 23
[26] My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways.


5. Pray with them. They will learn how to approach the throne of grace FROM YOU.

"Father, me and Tommy come to you in the name of Jesus. Tommy now knows that anger is bad and will harm him. Forgive him, Father, and help him to be a godly boy that everyone will appreciate. In Jesus' dear name, Amen."

Take that precious heart. Shape it. Point it to Jesus. Train it.

Prov. 22
[6] Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


Psalm 127
[3] Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
[4] As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
[5] Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.


Look at these precious jewels. They are the heart behind the spanking.

Prov. 1
[5] A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
[6] To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. [dark means, deep and mysterious.]
[7] The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
[8] My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
[9] For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
[10] My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.


Can you hear the heart of a parent in those instructions? When you do what's right, GOD'S WAY, you will have a child that get's to wear the ornament of wisdom. His life will be an ornament that will say, "His parents taught him right."

You must do the work! Are they worth it?

So, if they kick and flail about, you and Momma, hold him/her down, and SPARE NOT. You want that spirit gone anyways, right? Of course. No child is going to WANT a spanking, but if you do it right, you just might notice this:

Do you remember the story about, about Tommy, who had a bad temper? Well, it's two hours later. Tommy and Suzie have been playing sweetly, it';s quiet in the house, except for occasional laughs and sounds of children at sweet play. You look over at your spouse, and thank God, because he knows what a child needs.

Do you love them? Then spank them if they need it.

May God give you grace and wisdom.

Ben, a brother

Wow! Awesome post, man. You are a wise man, brother :thumbsup:!
 
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Dearest brethren, I am the father of nine wonderful children, may I speak?
There are lots of philosophies out there, lots of books, lots of "feelings," about spanking. BUT, what did God say?


Prov. 13

[24] He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.


If someone does not spank a child, in a loving way, that needs a spanking, they actually hate their child because they are teaching them that life has no bounderies, or consequences. I can hear the skeptic, "You cannot spank in a loving way!" Perhaps, you cannot, but if you have prayed for this child, nutured Momma for nine months, prepared your heart, dreamed of this beautiful child, yes, you can lovingly apply chastisement. God does to us, doesn't he?

Heb. 12
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.


When God, as a loving Father, sees you have gone too far, he sends chastisement into our lives. We know it when it comes. He does this out of love. He does this because we are sons, (and daughter,) of the King. Despise not the spanking, it is given for our good, likewise is our spanking of our children.

Prov. 22
[15] Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.


Who wants a fool for a child? Not me.

Psalm 14
[1] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

So, what shall we do when we see the sin of foolishness coming up in our child. If God be true, (AND HE IS,) we spank our child. We want God to drive foolishness far from our children. You say, "But, let me reason with my child about their foolishness." Sorry, God said, "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child..." You cannot, try as you may, you must spank sometimes.

Prov. 23
[13] Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

[14] Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Here's a doosie, who wants their child to die. . . and go to hell!?!?!? NO ONE here, surely! So, if my child is developing habits, tendancies, patternes that God has said are destructive, then IF I LOVE MY CHILD, I am going to spank him/her. God will use it to save them from dying as the wicked die, and from going to hell.

Prov. 29
[15] The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.


One poster said, "Don't spank, just forgive, he/she will grow up to be a bully." No, sorry friend, that is bad counsel Yes, don't ABUSE you child. Don't smack him/her in the face in anger. Don't strike them with the broom! BUT, if they need a spanking for VIOLATING GOD'S ETERNAL PRINCIPLES, then, lovingly, do the following:

1. Take them aside. Your not trying to embarrass them.
2. Teach them. Literally open God's word and show them, like this

Tommy has an anger problem with little Suzie, who took his favorite toy. So, you show Tommy:

Prov. 16
[32] He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.


Prov. 19
[11] The discretion of a man deferreth his anger; and it is his glory to pass over a transgression.


Just two of MANY you could use.

"Tommy, he that controls his temper is STRONGER that Uncle Dave," (whom everyone knows is a giant Moose of a guy!) And, "Controlling your anger shows that you are a wise man, (a man of descretion.) Do you understand, son?"

3. Apply the rod. Spank him. Not, two little swats. Spanking is used to bring out something he will need the rest of his life, a spirit that WANTS to repent, when Father has brought attention to sin! Amen?!?!? Now, in the old days, and old timers, (just ask Grandma,) they would bare them buns! This isn't wrong, but if you are worried about it, just bare their undies. Blue jeans, and such are TOO thick, they'll just cause you to waste your time. As an older Christian told me, he'd "Rosie them cheeks!" You want it to smart. You want them to see the negative consequence of their actions.

4. Now, love them up! Yes, that's right. When God corrects his children he does it for one reason, the restoration of sweet fellowship. When you are backslid, do you sense the sweet closeness of God and his approval? Of course not. Is there anything sweeter? Of course not. Give this same privilege to your child. They'll bless you for it, one day.

I have a 24 year old, big ol' strappin' boy. I love him. He's a man's man. He loves me and Momma and calls us "Blessed." We used to wear him out. Lord! He had a strong will That's what you want to control. Spanking is NOT to break the spirit, but the will. You want this:

Prov. 23
[26] My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways.


5. Pray with them. They will learn how to approach the throne of grace FROM YOU.

"Father, me and Tommy come to you in the name of Jesus. Tommy now knows that anger is bad and will harm him. Forgive him, Father, and help him to be a godly boy that everyone will appreciate. In Jesus' dear name, Amen."

Take that precious heart. Shape it. Point it to Jesus. Train it.

Prov. 22
[6] Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


Psalm 127
[3] Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
[4] As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
[5] Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.


Look at these precious jewels. They are the heart behind the spanking.

Prov. 1
[5] A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
[6] To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. [dark means, deep and mysterious.]
[7] The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
[8] My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
[9] For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
[10] My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.


Can you hear the heart of a parent in those instructions? When you do what's right, GOD'S WAY, you will have a child that get's to wear the ornament of wisdom. His life will be an ornament that will say, "His parents taught him right."

You must do the work! Are they worth it?

So, if they kick and flail about, you and Momma, hold him/her down, and SPARE NOT. You want that spirit gone anyways, right? Of course. No child is going to WANT a spanking, but if you do it right, you just might notice this:

Do you remember the story about, about Tommy, who had a bad temper? Well, it's two hours later. Tommy and Suzie have been playing sweetly, it';s quiet in the house, except for occasional laughs and sounds of children at sweet play. You look over at your spouse, and thank God, because he knows what a child needs.

Do you love them? Then spank them if they need it.

May God give you grace and wisdom.

Ben, a brother

Wow, this has really gave me perspective over the usual "Spare the rod" line. I want to do as God wishes. And this will help a lot.

Let her have her fit. My son is on the Autism spectrum, and consequently doesn't respond to spanking. I could beat that kid within an inch of his life and he wouldn't care, so we realized that it didn't work for us. We have found out how much he HATES time-outs though. Those are the most effective for us, and even then he will throw himself on the floor and scream. We let him squirm and fight all he likes, then when he calms down he starts the time out and gets his discipline over with.

However, as time goes on he resists less and less frequently. He is learning that no matter how big of a fit he throws, he will still receive discipline for inappropriate behavior. Period. He rarely fights it anymore, because he knows it won't make a difference. He sits up, stays quiet and waits for his time-out to end. He even apologizes for his behavior afterwards and rarely repeats the offense.

I won't lie to you though, it's taken like two months of being consistent. It was stressful for a while, but now I see that consistency has made all the difference. Whatever you decide to do (spanking, time out, whatever..) DON'T DEVIATE. They have to learn that you are the adult, and you make the rules.

This just goes to prove not everything works for everyone. There is no "one size fits all" punishment for children. If spanking works, then do it. If time-outs/grounding works, then go with that.
 
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Hello,

I have a 3 year old daughter that every once in a while needs to be spanked. Problem is when we do spank her she will throw her body all over the place and crawl under the bed etc to avoid getting spanked. Any advice on how to overcome this?

"sigh", if you believe in spanking, than you should know you need to follow it through, this is the whole point of discipline.
 
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I would try time outs too, but spanking isn't a bad way to discipline your child. It just has to be done in the right way. Have you seen a therapist at all? She might have ODD, oppositional defiant disorder. My daughter had it and went into play therapy and that seemed to help with her discipline issues.
 
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Odd. I found the opposite to be true when my kids were little.
That only goes to show that every person is an individual and there is no "one size fits all" in discipline or anything else.
 
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Since your daughter hides, she seems to see the punishment as real and something undesirable, so at least that is a positive or meaningful. I think spanking, when used sparingly can be a good deterrent, but it's important to do so when you're not angry but calm and in control of your own angry emotions. I think it's also good to recognise there is a difference between spanking and hitting. One child hitting another is not the same as a parent spanking a child. some folk like to equate the too but they are not qualitatively the same. Parents are pronouncing judgement on something wrong, whereas kids hitting each other is just anger. So perhaps your daughter can hide, but in the end she still gets the spanking when she comes out...soon she learns better get it over with. Also you could try alternatives that have equal undesireability like missing out on tv time or other treats that day instead of spanking.
 
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