Date of Revelation

[johnny_redeemed]

When was Revelation writen?

 

[TrevorL]

AD 96 is one suggestion.

 

[daveleau]

96AD is the most common date, but it can be said to be as early as 70AD, although most early dates around 70 have been refuted. Here's a good link:
http://www.geocities.com/biblestudying/rev-date.html

 

[muffler dragon]

I personally believe it was before the destruction of the Temple. Simply due to the fact that it's destruction is not mentioned anywhere in all of Scripture as happening.

Too traumatic of an event for a Jew to not write about it.

m.d.

 

[filosofer]

J.A.T. Robinson makes a compelling case for all NY writings prior to AD 70. Check it out in his book: Redating the New Testament, 1976.

 

[muffler dragon]

96AD is the most common date, but it can be said to be as early as 70AD, although most early dates around 70 have been refuted. Here's a good link:
http://www.geocities.com/biblestudying/rev-date.html

One thing I wanted to mention quickly, Daveleau, is the following:

One needn't be a preterist to consider Revelation written before the destruction of the Temple. Since that is what your link addresses, I just wanted to let you know that I am not a preterist, but still hold to the early writing of the book.

m.d.

 

[mythbuster]

I have around 90 AD.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[johnny_redeemed]

If it is dated after 70 A.D. why did John not mention the fall of Jerusalum and the distrution of theTemple?

 

[vinsight4u]

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[johnny_redeemed]

I do not see how this shows that the temple was not standing. John was having a vision. It could be of a new temple when the old temple was standing.

 

[In Christ Forever]

In my view, John is witnessing the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad. We don't know when he viewed it as that is irrevelant.
The tribulation and wraths are 2 different things. The actually wraths happen for the 5 month period of torment on Jerusalem.
The Lord said we are not appointed to "Wrath" but nothing about not being appointed to tribulation!!!. And again, there is no rapture before the tribulation regardless, because Christ is shown being born of the Woman and taken up to God in Chapt 11 and a slain Lamb in chapt 5. That is already historically past, believe it or not God bless.

reve 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

reve 5:6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Now, about the saints suffering 10 days. 10 is usually a complete number. I just have to find out how long this period is and what time sequence in revelation it relates to. Sounds almost symbolically like the "1000yr" as it is also a "complete" number.

reve 2:10 "Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw [some] of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

reve 6: 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both [the number of] their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they [were,] was completed.

Revelation 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete.

 

[johnny_redeemed]

Nice view of Revelation, but that is not what we are talking about. We are simply trying to date the Book.

 

[johnd]

I personally believe it was before the destruction of the Temple. Simply due to the fact that it's destruction is not mentioned anywhere in all of Scripture as happening.

Too traumatic of an event for a Jew to not write about it.

m.d.

What about the Maccabean revolt? The desecration of the Temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes... this was not written about in canonical scripture.

And Emperor Domitian who exiles John to Patmos did not rule until well after 70 AD.

 

[Reader Nilus]

What about the Maccabean revolt? The desecration of the Temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes... this was not written about in canonical scripture.

And Emperor Domitian who exiles John to Patmos did not rule until well after 70 AD.

The Maccabees is canon, so yes it is described in the Bible.
Jeff the Finn

 

[muffler dragon]

The Maccabees is canon, so yes it is described in the Bible.
Jeff the Finn

Jeff:

What is the Orthodox position on the time frame that Revelation was written in? Is there a concensus?

m.d.

 

[muffler dragon]

What about the Maccabean revolt? The desecration of the Temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes... this was not written about in canonical scripture.

And Emperor Domitian who exiles John to Patmos did not rule until well after 70 AD.

Besides what Jeff wrote above, the destruction of the Temple is the worst consideration for a first century Jew. I have no interest in debating this opinion, it is simply a matter of what I have learned and read.

If you want to believe that it was written later; then knock yourself out. I'm not into eschatology as much as some.

m.d.

 

[Reader Nilus]

We feel it was written in the mid 90's AD.
Jeff the Finn

 

[In Christ Forever]

We feel it was written in the mid 90's AD.
Jeff the Finn

Hi Jeff,
Let us assume it was written in the 90's ad. Was it written as soon as John visioned it? What about Paul who stated things were to happen soon? Another words, was revelation revealed to the apostles before it was written, otherwise how do you explain Paul knowing about it? IT is writtne in jewish apocryphal symbology and in such a way as to leave no doubt it was inspired by God Himself as it just about touches every aspects of the whole bible itself. God bless.

Romans 13:11-14 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here.

romans 16:20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

reve 2:9 "Indeed I will make [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie -- indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

 

[RVincent]

Date of Revelation

We feel it was written in the mid 90's AD.
Jeff the Finn

Hey! We agree on something!

In all honesty, I didn't know that Revelation talked about dates.

I know that it talks about grapes (14:18), and "the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits" (Rev 22:2), but not dates.

Dates......

I know, that's a sloppy highjack. My last several posts have been of such a serious nature, I had to throw this in.