Darwinian evolution - still a theory in crisis.

[Larniavc]

The only way someone could demonstrate that knowledge would be by producing a viable organism from inanimate matter. It ain't gunna happen

Ever? Artificial cells are an impossibility? Even though even today we are ever so close?

Crikey.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evidence can be manipulated.

From AI Overview:

Evidence can be manipulated. It is possible to alter, conceal, falsify, or destroy evidence with the intent to interfere with an investigation or legal proceeding. This can involve physical evidence, digital evidence, or even witness testimony.

Is AI your new Golden Calf?

 

[Larniavc]

What is "the fact of organic evolution"?

That it happens is a fact.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is AI your new Golden Calf?

No.

It's your bête noire.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No.

It's your bête noire.

Especially when it's used so poorly and so transparently.

The fact that manipulation of evidence exists does not in anyway disprove what I said or showed it to be wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fact that manipulation of evidence exists does not in anyway disprove what I said or showed it to be wrong.

Works, doesn't it!

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Works, doesn't it!

Thanks for the QED.

You keep using that phrase. I don't think you understand what it means.

But, regardless, in the sciences, especially in the current day and age, manipulation of evidence is much, MUCH easier to spot and weed out. So it does work.

 

[AV1611VET]

But, regardless, in the sciences, especially in the current day and age, manipulation of evidence is much, MUCH easier to spot and weed out. So it does work.

Depends on who's doing the manipulating.

Let me clue you in on something.

Their manipulator is not some johnny-come-lately manipulator.

He is a real pro, who's been at it for six thousand years.

He knows how we think, feel, act, and react.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Depends on who's doing the manipulating.

Let me clue you in on something.

Their manipulator is not some johnny-come-lately manipulator.

He is a real pro, who's been at it for six thousand years.

He knows how we think, feel, act, and react.

You can say his name, you know. Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, Beelzebub, Old Nick, Old Hobb... As long as you don't worship him, you can say his name here.

But regardless, that's just a cop-out answer. Don't talk about a real world problem and then switch it to a theological one. It's just dishonest on your part.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can say his name, you know. Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, Beelzebub, Old Nick, Old Hobb... As long as you don't worship him, you can say his name here.

S.A.M.A.E.L.?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

S.A.M.A.E.L.?

Eh, your choice.

But as I said and you so blithely and blatantly ignored: But regardless, that's just a cop-out answer. Don't talk about a real world problem and then switch it to a theological one. It's just dishonest on your part.

 

[The Barbarian]

What is "the fact of organic evolution"?

IDer Michael Denton explains:

Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies."

As we observe, new species evolve from existing species. And as even honest YECs admit, the evidence supports the evolution of all living things on Earth from a common ancestor.

 

[The Barbarian]

No one will ever know how life began.

Darwin thought that God just created the first living things. But that wasn't part of his theory.

The only way someone could demonstrate that knowledge would be by producing a viable organism from inanimate matter. It ain't gunna happen.

It's a very bad idea to try to hide God in what man doesn't yet know or know how to do. They are learning and getting closer and closer to that very thing:

https://www.americanscientist.org/article/making-life-from-scratch

Thing is, it won't teach us much about how life began on earth. It only means that we can produce life from the materials and rules that God created here. Which shouldn't surprise anyone who actually believes in God.

 

[Buzzard3]

Ever? Artificial cells are an impossibility? Even though even today we are ever so close?

"today we are ever so close"??

Wake me up when someone manages to produce a viable organism from inanimate matter.

 

[Buzzard3]

That it happens is a fact

Do you mean it's a fact that life arose naturally from inanimate matter?

 

[Hans Blaster]

"today we are ever so close"??

Wake me up when someone manages to produce a viable organism from inanimate matter.

What is "inanimate matter"?

Matter is matter. All is in motion.

 

[Buzzard3]

They are learning and getting closer and closer to that very thing.

Nonsense.

The same people will try and sell you other fairy tales like claiming they know what process produced the history of life on earth.

 

[Buzzard3]

What is "inanimate matter"?

Matter that doesn't form a living organism ... aka lifeless matter.

 

[Buzzard3]

They are learning and getting closer and closer to that very thing:

Wake me up when someone manages to produce a viable organism from inanimate matter.

 

[The Barbarian]

They are learning and getting closer and closer to that very thing.

Nonsense.

Well, let's take a look...

Scientists Created Bacteria With a Synthetic Genome. Is This Artificial Life? ​

In a milestone for synthetic biology, colonies of E. coli thrive with DNA constructed from scratch by humans, not nature.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/science/synthetic-genome-bacteria.html

Surprise. And yes, unless you think chemicals are alive, that's what happened. Your standard for creating life is too easy, I think.