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[nvxplorer]

I told you before I've never been to reno nor do I ever intend to visit.

What does your being here have to do with anything? Can’t you simply admit that it’s possible to legalize these “sins” without having an adverse effect on society?

I live here. Crime is low. Deal with it.

 

[TheListener]

I'm not asking you to parrot anything. I'm asking you to look up the numbers and draw your conclusions from them. Personal experience and experience of people close to you are very bad sources of information. People are notoriously bad in estimating crime rates/risks/disease rates etcetera. As an estimate, the answer we estimate is usually wrong.

For the sake of our children I certainly hope I'm wrong.

 

[TheListener]

What does your being here have to do with anything? Can’t you simply admit that it’s possible to legalize these “sins” without having an adverse effect on society?

I live here. Crime is low. Deal with it.

Are you married? If so ask your wife how she would feel about you visiting a prostitute one day. Or tell me how you would feel if she took up a second job walking the streets.

Don't get angry, its completely legal isn't it?

Prostitution destroys marriages.

 

[Tomk80]

For the sake of our children I certainly hope I'm wrong.

Than why don't you try to find out? Why don't you try to find the relevant information? Crime rates compared by religious denomination. Prostitution rates compared by religious upbringing. Per capita aid contributions/murder rates/crime rates compared by religious percentage in countries.

There's been research on this, some of it published recently. If anything, it showed that a strong religious upbringing does not make you moral, nor happy.

 

[ebia]

I told others who asked the same thing, I'm basing my arguments on personal experience and experience of people close to me who I trust.

In which case, for the purposes of this conversation, your arguments are worthless.

 

[ebia]

Prostitution destroys marriages.

Evidence?

 

[David Gould]

Let me add my voice to the general din: CITE YOUR REFERENCE!!!!

http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/bellcurve.shtml

- one example

CONCLUSIONS AND CONTEMPORARY INTELLIGENCE STUDIES
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The generally accepted wisdom, according to a number of fairly well-done studies, is that the average (nonincarcerated) criminal IQ is 90 (92 or 93, depending upon who's study you use), but conventional wisdom holds that there is usually a ten point gap (90 v. 100) between criminals and the average for the rest of the population. The incarcerated criminals who have gotten caught tend to have much lower IQs, often around 85 or so, which triggers status as a mentally "disabled" inmate or one with a "learning disability." Contemporary researchers like E. Wilson (who wrote the first textbook on Sociobiology) and C. Ray Jeffrey (a Florida State criminologist) have tried to sort out the reasons for why criminals have at least an seven or eight-point gap. Some claim it's a neurotransmitter problem, others the inability to interact with the environment, and others the effect of alienating labeling in school. Some psychopaths and those with certain mental conditions (like paranoia) have high IQ, but these cases are rare. Be advised that even though a seven (7), eight (8), or ten (10) point difference in IQ may not look like much, and indeed, many researchers will dismiss such differences as being within the "normal" range of variation, more detailed research (Goodman 1995) will almost always find A FEW POINTS MATTER, and even differences of six (6) points will be associated with more lying, cheating, stealing, and conduct disorders.

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From:
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/TOConnor/301/301lect04.htm​

 

[nvxplorer]

Are you married? If so ask your wife how she would feel about you visiting a prostitute one day. Or tell me how you would feel if she took up a second job walking the streets.

Don't get angry, its completely legal isn't it?

Prostitution destroys marriages.

Nonsense. Marriages aren’t being destroyed. Crime is low. Legalized prostitution and gambling do not effect society to the extent you want to believe.

What if my wife had no problems with me visting a prostitute? What if I encouraged her to make the big bucks?

Don’t get angry; it’s completely hypothetical, isn’t it?

 

[TheListener]

Well, ok then. I'm wrong, you're all right. The world is one big happy family living in prosperity. Soon the police forces around the world will be disbanded, marriages will have a %100 success rate and yeah, well done humanity & our wisdom.

Or, you can open your eyes, look beyond the nice suburban neighbourhood your living, see the pain & suffering & death all around you and maybe you'll realise we got it all wrong... We need a saviour... desperately.

 

[Guywiththehead]

Are you married? If so ask your wife how she would feel about you visiting a prostitute one day. Or tell me how you would feel if she took up a second job walking the streets.

Are you married? If so ask your wife how she would feel about you playing World of Warcraft all day long. Or tell me how you would feel if she gave all your money to charity. Thus, make WoW and giving money to charity illegal.

Do you see the absurdity of this argument? Anything legal can be harmful if used incorrectly.

 

[EvoDan]

Are you married? If so ask your wife how she would feel about you visiting a prostitute one day. Or tell me how you would feel if she took up a second job walking the streets.

Don't get angry, its completely legal isn't it?

Prostitution destroys marriages.

No, the marraige would have been destroyed by the fool who couldn't resist the temptation.

If my wife starting walking the street, then it would be SHE who destroyed the marraige, not the occupation.

PEOPLE destroy marraiges, not occupations.

 

[TheListener]

No, the marraige would have been destroyed by the fool who couldn't resist the temptation.

If my wife starting walking the street, then it would be SHE who destroyed the marraige, not the occupation.

PEOPLE destroy marraiges, not occupations.

Do you think only single men visit prostitutes?

Don't get me wrong, prostitution exists because the demand is there. You can never stop prostitution, it happened in Jesus' days too.

I think the problem is the way we think. We put our own desire for pleasure & our greed before God. If we put God first then the immorality would cease to exist.

I know this is not going to happen in this age.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Well, ok then. I'm wrong, you're all right. The world is one big happy family living in prosperity. Soon the police forces around the world will be disbanded, marriages will have a %100 success rate and yeah, well done humanity & our wisdom.

Or, you can open your eyes, look beyond the nice suburban neighbourhood your living, see the pain & suffering & death all around you and maybe you'll realise we got it all wrong... We need a saviour... desperately.

This is just awful. Your behaviour in this thread has been abominable. You repeatedly made claims, refused to support them and now, when you realise that you can't convince people of the truth of those claims (and refuse to get the support), you are spitting the dummy, taking your bat and ball and going home.

Honestly, are you new to this forum or something? This is NOT the way to get your point across.

Oh...and YOU might need a saviour...don't presume to speak for everyone.

 

[TheListener]

This is just awful. Your behaviour in this thread has been abominable. You repeatedly made claims, refused to support them and now, when you realise that you can't convince people of the truth of those claims (and refuse to get the support), you are spitting the dummy, taking your bat and ball and going home.

Honestly, are you new to this forum or something? This is NOT the way to get your point across.

Oh...and YOU might need a saviour...don't presume to speak for everyone.

Ad hominum. Thanks.

 

[nvxplorer]

Or, you can open your eyes, look beyond the nice suburban neighbourhood your living, see the pain & suffering & death all around you and maybe you'll realise we got it all wrong... We need a saviour... desperately.

I would do this, except that I live in an urban neighborhood, I don’t see much pain and suffering, the few deaths are usually caused by an idiot who shouldn’t have a driver’s license, and my eyes are open wide.

What I see is prosperity and growth. Perhaps you should visit sometime.

 

[TheListener]

I would do this, except that I live in an urban neighborhood, I don’t see much pain and suffering, the few deaths are usually caused by an idiot who shouldn’t have a driver’s license, and my eyes are open wide.

What I see is prosperity and growth. Perhaps you should visit sometime.

Sounds like the perfect place, I won't come because I'd spoil it.

 

[EvoDan]

...We put our own desire for pleasure & our greed before God...

NO! We put our desire for pleasure and greed before our commitments to others.

If we put God first then the immorality would cease to exist.

If we just kept our promises to each other, and acted honorably, we get there WITHOUT believing in a myth.

I know this is not going to happen in this age.

OK, I'll agree with you there.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Ad hominum. Thanks.

Sorry, but wrong. You need to learn what "ad hominem" is (and how to spell it).

 

[TheListener]

Sorry, but wrong. You need to learn what "ad hominem" is (and how to spell it).

Ok I will. Thanks.

 

[nvxplorer]

I think the problem is the way we think. We put our own desire for pleasure & our greed before God. If we put God first then the immorality would cease to exist.

In other words, if we would stop acting immorally, we would begin to act morally. Can’t argue with that. Unfortunately, your view of morality is narrow, and ignores human nature. As you stated, these activities have always existed, and will always exist. Pretending they don’t exist is pointless. People take alcohol and other drugs, hire prostitutes, become greedy, and gamble because they are human. It has absolutely nothing to do with God.