Darkness falls ...

[TheListener]

But can you demonstrate it? Come on, give us some numbers in stead of dodging.


That's not what he said.

Have you read the entire thread?

 

[Tomk80]

The American flag has stars & stripes. My one under my name is an Australian flag.

Ah, my bad.

 

[TheListener]

Cynicism is fine, but I’ll restate my opinion that you seem paranoid. Where do you get this information?

Have you been reading all the posts?

 

[David Gould]

One name & 3 letters for you to look up: Peter J. Ryan and PAL.

I looked it up on google. Can you give me a context, at least, as there were a lot of stuff - the most relevent seemed to be a quiz on the New South Wales police site, and that was not relevent at all.

 

[David Gould]

The prisons are full of people of lower than average IQ.

This means one of two things: only dumb people do crime or only dumb people get caught.

 

[TheListener]

I looked it up on google. Can you give me a context, at least, as there were a lot of stuff - the most relevent seemed to be a quiz on the New South Wales police site, and that was not relevent at all.

Ryan is the previous NSW police commish & PAL is the Police Assistance Line.

In Ryans time it was basically a black hole where minor crimes were reported to civillian operators but not included in statistics hence the fall of crime rates.

 

[EvoDan]

The Bible tells us to flee from greed, sexual immoralty & drunkenness. Atheists seem to be ok with them as has been my experience especially in this particular thread.

Crime usually stems from these things.

Just for the record, I'm agin all of these. However...

If you're contributing to the greater community good while you acquire wealth, then by all means proceed.

If you enjoy a sexual relationship with someone you honor and respect then have at it. I envy you.

If you enjoy consuming alchohol, and can do so without it destroying your life and the lives of those around you, then party on.

Atheists understand moderation too.

 

[Tomk80]

Have you read the entire thread?

Yes. You don't back up your claims in it, and I'd like you to start doing so.

 

[TheListener]

The prisons are full of people of lower than average IQ.

This means one of two things: only dumb people do crime or only dumb people get caught.

You've IQ tested all prisoners?

I've met some pretty street-smart ex-crims and I've met some 'less gifted' ones as well. It's usually not about IQ but about greed or drugs & social conditions.

 

[EvoDan]

The prisons are full of people of lower than average IQ.

Apparently, so are the churches.

 

[David Gould]

Ryan is the previous NSW police commish & PAL is the Police Assistance Line.

I worked that out.

In Ryans time it was basically a black hole where minor crimes were reported to civillian operators but not included in statistics hence the fall of crime rates.

Minor crimes would not include things like murder, rape and assault, would they?

Can you point me to where it says they were not included in statistics?

 

[TheListener]

Yes. You don't back up your claims in it, and I'd like you to start doing so.

I told others who asked the same thing, I'm basing my arguments on personal experience and experience of people close to me who I trust. I'm not parroting what I've read on a website.

 

[David Gould]

You've IQ tested all prisoners?

I've met some pretty street-smart ex-crims and I've met some 'less gifted' ones as well. It's usually not about IQ but about greed or drugs & social conditions.

Anecodtal - again!

On average, people who commit crime are of lower intelligence than people who do not. This is a well-documented fact.

 

[nvxplorer]

If a Christian follows the Bible theoretically he should commit no crime. Atheists moral standards on the other hand are whatever media, parental influence, peer pressure, social norm etc dictates.

Where do you get your opinion on the morals of atheists? Furthermore, what makes you think Christians aren’t influenced by those things you list?

No offense, but this is just pure nonsense. Everyone is subject to the same laws. Atheists are no less deterred by the law than anyone else.

 

[David Gould]

I told others who asked the same thing, I'm basing my arguments on personal experience and experience of people close to me who I trust. I'm not parroting what I've read on a website.

Anecodtal evidence - worthless.

 

[TheListener]

Can you point me to where it says they were not included in statistics?

I already did. The ex-detective wrote a book with a uni professor in criminology.

 

[David Gould]

I already did. The ex-detective wrote a book with a uni professor in criminology.

Fair enough.

 

[EvoDan]

...This is a well-documented fact.

Let me add my voice to the general din: CITE YOUR REFERENCE!!!!

 

[Tomk80]

I told others who asked the same thing, I'm basing my arguments on personal experience and experience of people close to me who I trust. I'm not parroting what I've read on a website.

I'm not asking you to parrot anything. I'm asking you to look up the numbers and draw your conclusions from them. Personal experience and experience of people close to you are very bad sources of information. People are notoriously bad in estimating crime rates/risks/disease rates etcetera. As an estimate, the answer we estimate is usually wrong.

 

[TheListener]

Where do you get your opinion on the morals of atheists? Furthermore, what makes you think Christians aren’t influenced by those things you list?.

The entire thread was sparked by the whole ID thing. I claimed there is nothing wrong with teaching kids about the possibility of God and some extra morals. Then the atheists jumped in & started bashing my ideas.

I wrote in a previous post no Christian is exempt from any of the evil in this world. You must have missed it.