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Daniel's 70th week

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It still depends on which war it is meaning. And if it is meaning the war between the beast(the antichrist) and the saints, like I tend to think, I see no reason to take that as a literal war where it would involve fighting one another with weapons of war, such as guns, knives, or whatever.

Try reading the Bible. Do you know who the saints are in the texts?

The Bible reveals him as the lesser antichrist revealed in Scripture as the "small horn" of Daniel, a prototype of the future ruler mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Antiochus IV referred to himself as "Epiphanes" which means "illustrious" or "manifestation of god".
The Antichrist (Bible History Online)
www.bible-history.com/sketches/ancient/antichrist.htm
 
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Image on a Coin of The Antichrist in Ancient Times

This coin depicts Antiochus IV, the king of Syria from 175 BC until his death in 164 BC. He was a sadistic madman who tried to annihilate the Jews in 167 BC. The Bible reveals him as the lesser antichrist revealed in Scripture as the "small horn" of Daniel, a prototype of the future ruler mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Antiochus IV referred to himself as "Epiphanes" which means "illustrious" or "manifestation of god".

Antiochus was obsessed with his own importance, as seen on the above coin. Notice the sun's rays above his head with features of Zeus. The secondary and greater fulfillment of the antichrist as revealed in Scripture will be a man in the future who will appear during the 70th week of Daniel at the end of days. His titles are listed below.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes: The Antichrist of the Old Testament

Antiochus Epiphanes was a Greek tryant of the 2nd century B.C. He was a vicious enemy of the Jewish people, outlawing Judaism and descrating the sacred Hebrew temple.
 
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It still depends on which war it is meaning. And if it is meaning the war between the beast(the antichrist) and the saints, like I tend to think, I see no reason to take that as a literal war where it would involve fighting one another with weapons of war, such as guns, knives, or whatever.

There was a war.. It was called the Maccabean Revolt. Is your pastor teaching from scripture or not?

Maccabean Revolt - Wikipedia
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In the narrative of I Maccabees, after Antiochus IV issued his decrees forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid Empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods.

Mattathias killed a Hellenistic Jew who had stepped forward to take Mattathias' place in sacrificing to an idol as well as the Greek officer who was sent to enforce the sacrifice. Afterwards, he and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judah. After Mattathias' death about one year later in 166 BCE, his son Judah Maccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty in guerrilla wa…
 
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There was a war.. It was called the Maccabean Revolt. Is your pastor teaching from scripture or not?

Maccabean Revolt - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt
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In the narrative of I Maccabees, after Antiochus IV issued his decrees forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid Empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods.

Mattathias killed a Hellenistic Jew who had stepped forward to take Mattathias' place in sacrificing to an idol as well as the Greek officer who was sent to enforce the sacrifice. Afterwards, he and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judah. After Mattathias' death about one year later in 166 BCE, his son Judah Maccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty in guerrilla wa…


I don't rely on Pastors for my understanding of Scriptures, nor do I rely on Commentators for my understanding either. I have a brain of my own and free will, though I admit I'm far from the sharpest knife in the drawer, yet I have to trust myself at times to try and come to the right conclusions about some of these things since I can't always trust others at times to try and come to the right conclusions for me.

And since I'm not relying on Commentators, for example, for my understanding of the texts in question, like some of you are apparently are, I'm approaching the texts without bias and not approaching it already having decided what it is meaning based on what Commentators have decided it is meaning. This is particularly true of Daniel 8 and 11, since it is obvious to me that some have already made up their minds that what past Commentators have decided about these 2 chapters, is what they have also decided these 2 chapters mean, thus they are approaching these texts with bias rather than with an open mind instead.
 
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The dead in Christ are in heaven in spirit not physically.

So Jesus ascended to the Father in Spirit, then His spirit came back down into His resurrected body 3 days later, then told mary he had not yet ascended, then ascended back to the Father 40 days later. I am understanding you correctly?

 
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How about speaking about the future literal physical second coming of Christ for once, if you actually believe in it. All you want to talk about is AD70. Obviously that is all you think about. After all, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

1. Is the second coming of Christ a past event, an ongoing process or a literal physical future climactic event?
2. Is the resurrection of the dead a past event, an ongoing process or a literal physical future climactic event?
3. Please list the Scriptures you believe support these?
4. Tell us exactly what all happens at this coming?

You appear to wish to deflect with a series of other questions.


Commentaries On Matthew 22:7 are in agreement that it was 66-70ad.


Benson commentary
This branch of the parable plainly predicted the destruction of the Jews by the Roman armies, called God’s armies, because they were appointed by him to execute vengeance upon that once favourite, but now rebellions people

Barnes Commentary
But when the king heard ... - This doubtless refers to the Jews and to Jerusalem. They were murderers, having slain the prophets; and God was about to send forth the armies of the Romans under his providential direction, and to burn up their city.

Jamieson Fausset

and he sent forth his armies—The Romans are here styled God's armies, just as the Assyrian is styled "the rod of His anger" (Isa 10:5), as being the executors of His judicial vengeance.

Gills
but chiefly the Roman armies are here meant; called "his", because they came by the Lord's appointment and permission; and were used by him, for the destruction of these people:

So you honestly don't believe matthew 22:7 is about 66-70ad? Most commentaries agree that is about 66-70ad.
 
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So Jesus ascended to the Father in Spirit, then His spirit came back down into His resurrected body 3 days later, then told mary he had not yet ascended, then ascended back to the Father 40 days later. I am understanding you correctly?



If that is the case, Jesus obviously lied in that passage in question. Jesus didn't ascend to heaven when He died, He descended to the heart of the earth.
 
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So you honestly don't believe matthew 22:7 is about 66-70ad? Most commentaries agree that is about 66-70ad.


While that verse was about 66-70ad, thus first century events, all of the following wouldn't be though.


Matthew 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


Even though the wedding was ready at the time, apparently meaning in the first century, the wedding was put on hold because they which were bidden were not worthy. Verse 9 and 10 is therefore meaning the entire church age, IOW, at least 2000 years and counting. So when we get to this part in verse 10---and the wedding was furnished with guests--- we are now at the end of the age instead, and that Jesus has returned to the earth again at this point.
 
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"...unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

the war

Singular.

One war.

Which one do you think Daniel was referring to?
War will continue until the end and desolation have been decreed...

Desolation is decreed at the "end"...the end refers to the final week or 70th week...
And Daniel 9:27...tells us is in the middle of the 70th week...
War, in Daniel 9:26 does not refer to this sentence..."The people of the ruler who will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary"....
Because, the next verse say the end will come like a flood...so the end is not when the city and sanctuary are destroyed but a future time...
 
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War will continue until the end and desolation have been decreed...

Desolation is decreed at the "end"...the end refers to the final week or 70th week...
And Daniel 9:27...tells us is in the middle of the 70th week...
War, in Daniel 9:26 does not refer to this sentence..."The people of the ruler who will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary"....
Because, the next verse say the end will come like a flood...so the end is not when the city and sanctuary are destroyed but a future time...
"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed."

When the city and sanctuary are destroyed, that is the end of them.

Which occurred in 70 AD, more than 30 years after the 70th week.
 
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War will continue until the end and desolation have been decreed...

Desolation is decreed at the "end"...the end refers to the final week or 70th week...
And Daniel 9:27...tells us is in the middle of the 70th week...
War, in Daniel 9:26 does not refer to this sentence..."The people of the ruler who will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary"....
Because, the next verse say the end will come like a flood...so the end is not when the city and sanctuary are destroyed but a future time...

Titus was a prince who became Emperor of Rome.
 
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"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed."

When the city and sanctuary are destroyed, that is the end of them.

Which occurred in 70 AD, more than 30 years after the 70th week.
How many Abominations?
One in 70th week (Daniel 9:27)
One in AD70 (yourself )
So which one Jesus reference to in Matthew 24:15..who was standing?
 
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How many Abominations?
One in 70th week (Daniel 9:27)
One in AD70 (yourself )
So which one Jesus reference to in Matthew 24:15..who was standing?

Where does Daniel 9:27 say the abomination is in the 70th week?
 
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Where does Daniel 9:27 say the abomination is in the 70th week?
How many weeks in the prophecy in Daniel 9?
So what do you think Daniel 9:27 is about? I mean you don't know where the "one seven " comes from in daniel 9:27??
 
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So Jesus ascended to the Father in Spirit, then His spirit came back down into His resurrected body 3 days later, then told mary he had not yet ascended, then ascended back to the Father 40 days later. I am understanding you correctly?

Jesus ascended to the Father in Spirit, then His Spirit came back down into His resurrected body 3 days later, He told Mary He had not yet physically ascended, then physically ascended back to the Father 40 days later.
 
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How many weeks in the prophecy in Daniel 9?
So what do you think Daniel 9:27 is about? I mean you don't know where the "one seven " comes from in daniel 9:27??

You didn't answer the question, so here it is again.

Where does Daniel 9:27 say the abomination is in the 70th week?
 
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Did Titus ceased sacrifices and offering in AD70? Daniel 9:27
Reference please

Yes , Titus ceased animal sacrifices.. He destroyed the temple.

Antiochus IV defiled the temple in 167 BC by sacrificing a pig to Zeus.
 
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How many weeks in the prophecy in Daniel 9?
So what do you think Daniel 9:27 is about? I mean you don't know where the "one seven " comes from in daniel 9:27??

Let's try this another way.. Have ever heard of the Maccabean Revolt?

The Revolt of the Maccabees
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After the first three years, the Jews are able re-conquer Jerusalem. They find the Temple defiled and turned into a pagan sanctuary, where pigs are sacrificed on the altar. When they re-enter the Temple, the first thing they do is try to light a make-shift menorah (as the real gold one had been melted down by the Greeks) but only one vial of pure lamp oil with the special seal is discovered. They use this vial to light the menorah and miraculously it stays lit for eight days, by which time fr...


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But it is not just a war against the Greeks, it is also a civil war—Jews, who were loyal to Judaism, fighting other Jews, who had become Hellenized and who were siding with the Greeks.

The year is 167 BCE and the horrible persecution of Judaism by the Greeks is in full swing. The Greek troops show up in the town of Modi’in (a site west of Jerusalem which you can visit today off the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway) and demand that the Jews there sacrifice a pig to the Greek gods. The elder of the town, Mattathias, who is a cohen, that is of the priestly class, refuses. Even if all the nations that live under the rule of the king obey him, and have chosen to do his commandments, departing each one from the religion of his fathers, yet I and my sons and my brothers will live by the covenant of our fathers…We will not obey the king’s word by turning aside from our religion to the right hand or to the left. (I Maccabees 2:19-22)

But there is a Hellenized Jew in the town who is willing to do what is unspeakable in Jewish eyes. As he’s about to sacrifice the pig, Mattathias stabs him, also killing the Greek official present. He then turns to the crowd and announces: “Follow me, all of you who are for God’s law and stand by the covenant.” (1 Maccabees 2:27)

Those who join Mattathias and his five sons—named Yohanan, Shimon, Judah, Eleazar, Yonaton—head for the hills, expecting that the Greeks are going to come back and wipe out the whole village as a reprisal. In the hills, they organize a guerilla army, led primarily by the oldest of the sons named Judah, nicknamed Maccabee, which means “the Hammer.” Maccabee is also an acronym for mi komocho ba’alim Hashem, “who is like you among the powers O God,”—the battle cry of the Jewish people.

We don’t know exactly how large this Maccabee army was, but even the most optimistic estimates put the number at no more than 12,000 men. This tiny force takes on the fighting Greek army of up to 40,000 men.

It’s not just a numerical superiority the Greeks have. The Greeks are professional soldiers—they have equipment, they have training, and they have a herd of war elephants, which were the tanks of the ancient world. The Jews are vastly outnumbered, poorly trained, and poorly equipped (not to mention, they have no elephants), but what they lack in training and equipment they make up in spirit.

Most of the battles take place in the foothills leading from the coastal plain area (Tel Aviv) to Jerusalem. The Greeks are trying to march their armies up the natural canyons that lead into the mountain areas, the stronghold of the Jewish army. There’s only a few places where the Greeks can ascend and this is where the Maccabees choose to take them on.

Now when we read the story of the Maccabees it seems like it’s something that takes place over a few weeks—the battles take place, the Jews win, and the Greeks go home. But, in fact, it takes 25 years of fighting and a great many casualties on both sides until the Selucid Greeks finally reach a peace agreement with the Jews.

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The Revolt of the Maccabees
 
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War will continue until the end and desolation have been decreed...

Desolation is decreed at the "end"...the end refers to the final week or 70th week...
And Daniel 9:27...tells us is in the middle of the 70th week...
War, in Daniel 9:26 does not refer to this sentence..."The people of the ruler who will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary"....
Because, the next verse say the end will come like a flood...so the end is not when the city and sanctuary are destroyed but a future time...

The Revolt of the Maccabees

The Maccabean Revolt lasted about 20 years.

The rededication of the Temple does not end the fight however. A Greek garrison remained stationed in Jerusalem in the Acra fortress and the Greek armies besiege Jerusalem and attempt to re-conquer the City. Many more battles will be fought before the conflict finally ends

It’s not until 142 BCE, during the reign of Seleucid monarch Demitrius, that the Greeks finally have enough of the fighting and sign a peace treaty with Simon, the last survivor of the five sons of Mattathias. (In 162 BCE-Eleazar falls in battle: thrusting a spear into the belly of war elephant on which he thought the king was riding, the elephant falls on him crushing him death. Yehuda is killed at the battle of Elasa in 161 BCE and Jonathan falls in battle in 142 BCE.)
 
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