Daniel's 70 Weeks Correctly Explained At Last

[Douggg]

Assuming everything you have submitted up to this point is correct, plus the fact that no one disputes that when Messiah is cut off, this is meaning the cross, this indicates He obviously can't be cut off 3 and 1/2 years later, like many insist, because John 12:12-15 is meaning days before the cross, not years before the cross. But in order to make all of this logically work out though, 483 years prior to John 12:12-15 would have to be meaning when the following initially happened---that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince(Daniel 9:25).

Do you have undeniable proof that it was 483 years after the going forth of the commandment to that of when John 12:12-15 was fulfilled?

Thanks for the break in dialogue I was having with jgr.

Do you have undeniable proof that it was 483 years after the going forth of the commandment to that of when John 12:12-15 was fulfilled?

I am assuming that you mean - do I have a calendar year when the going forth of the commandment to begin the 483 years?

No, I do not because there are flaws in the way what is referred to as AD and BC, and Jesus's year of birth on that system, came about.

From wikepedia.com on
Anno Domini i.e. AD

"The date of birth of Jesus of Nazareth is not stated in the gospels or in any secular text, but most scholars assume a date of birth between 6 BC and 4 BC.[28] The historical evidence is too fragmentary to allow a definitive dating,[29] but the date is estimated through two different approaches—one by analyzing references to known historical events mentioned in the Nativity accounts in the Gospels of Luke and Matthew and the second by working backwards from the estimation of the start of the ministry of Jesus.[30][31]

I have discussed the entire calendar year debate with the Jews (Judaism) at their site (MessiahTruth.com) and even they admitted a 16 year (if I recall correctly) discrepancy in their own calendar system. btw, some useful information - the Jews (Judaism) see the 70 weeks (the 490 years) as having been a testing period - which they said they failed and ended up going back into exile - because of unwarranted hatred Jew against Jew.

What we do know for certain is the event of Jesus arriving as the messiah is recorded in John 12:12-15.

But it is not necessary and (not possible) to come up with a calendar date working back 483 years because everything is skewed to begin with regarding the calendars and establishment of them.

 

[jgr]

What year did the student Plain English live?

It's still your turn. just one name. I am waiting.

I've posted three recognized students of the Word with whom I agree regarding Daniel 9:23.

You are unable to post even one recognized student of the Word with whom you agree regarding Daniel 9:23.

I'm waiting too.

 

[Douggg]

I've posted three recognized students of the Word with whom I agree regarding Daniel 9:23.

You are unable to post even one recognized student of the Word with whom you agree regarding Daniel 9:23.

I'm waiting too.

Wrong verse. right verse - Daniel 9:21.

You cannot understand Daniel 9:23 until you acknowledge the vision in which Daniel first encountered Gabriel in Daniel 9:21.

All three of your students failed.

 

[jgr]

Wrong verse. right verse - Daniel 9:21.

You cannot understand Daniel 9:23 until you acknowledge the vision in which Daniel first encountered Gabriel in Daniel 9:21.

All three of your students failed.

You are unable to post even one recognized student of the Word with whom you agree regarding Daniel 9:21.

 

[Douggg]

You are unable to post even one recognized student of the Word with whom you agree regarding Daniel 9:21.

It's your turn. The last three students of yours falied regarding Daniel 9:21. Name one. I am waiting.

You are the one who entered the thread in post #7 with the one liners and started making claims. It's all on you.

 

[jgr]

It's your turn. The last three students of yours falied regarding Daniel 9:21. Name one. I am waiting.

Thanks for the guffaw. I needed that.

I posted those with whom I agree.

You are unable to post anyone with whom you agree.

As expected.

 

[Douggg]

I posted those with whom I agree.

The ones you are agreeing with did not acknowledge what vision in Daniel 9:21 that Daniel first encountered Gabriel.

 

[jgr]

The ones you are agreeing with did not acknowledge what vision in Daniel 9:21 that Daniel first encountered Gabriel.

Keep those guffaws coming.

You are unable to post anyone with whom you agree.

 

[Douggg]

Keep those guffaws coming.

You are unable to post anyone with whom you agree.

I never made the audacious claims like you did because there are hundreds of millions of Christians, which I don't know what everyone of them believes. And I am not looking for persons who agree with me. That's your game. And so far, all of your "students" of the word of God - have failed regarding what vision that Daniel first saw Gabriel in. Daniel 9:21.

 

[grafted branch]

have discussed the entire calendar year debate with the Jews (Judaism) at their site (MessiahTruth.com) and even they admitted a 16 year (if I recall correctly) discrepancy in their own calendar system. btw, some useful information - the Jews (Judaism) see the 70 weeks (the 490 years) as having been a testing period - which they said they failed and ended up going back into exile - because of unwarranted hatred Jew against Jew.

Doug, I’m not going to get involved in the debate here, just asking a question.

Do the Jews you’ve spoken with think there is or was a gap in the 70 weeks? Also when do they say the final 70th week (testing period) was completed? Was it in 70 Ad or a prior year?

 

[jgr]

I never made the audacious claims like you did because there are hundreds of millions of Christians, which I don't know what everyone of them believes. And I am not looking for persons who agree with me. That's your game. And so far, all of your "students" of the word of God - have failed regarding what vision that Daniel first saw Gabriel in. Daniel 9:21.

At this point, our readers can draw the obvious conclusions.

 

[Douggg]

Do the Jews you’ve spoken with think there is or was a gap in the 70 weeks? Also when do they say the final 70th week (testing period) was completed? Was it in 70 Ad or a prior year?

No they don't believe in a gap of any sorts.

They think that the messiah (an anointed in their view) cutoff was one of their high priests in the first century, CE *. I forgot the person's exact name. In Judaism, the priests and the kings were considered "anointeds".

Regarding the ending of the 70 weeks, they think that Titus was the prince who shall come, and the 70 weeks ended during his time.

* They call it CE (Common Era), because they don't like using AD and BC because those terms are based on Jesus being the messiah.

 

[Douggg]

Do the Jews you’ve spoken with think there is or was a gap in the 70 weeks? Also when do they say the final 70th week (testing period) was completed? Was it in 70 Ad or a prior year?

`I want to clarify on one part of your question.

The Jews see the whole 70 weeks as a testing period. Not just the 70th week.

 

[keras]

At this point, our readers can draw the obvious conclusions.

Yes I conclude that you are in error and your so called prophecy experts are in error too. The ECf's and expositors like Barnes, cannot have known the truth of Bible prophecy, because it has been hidden until the last days. Daniel 12:4 & 9
There is no doubt that the 70th 'week' remains to be completed, as is well described in Revelation.

 

[jgr]

Yes I conclude that you are in error and your so called prophecy experts are in error too. The ECf's and expositors like Barnes, cannot have known the truth of Bible prophecy, because it has been hidden until the last days. Daniel 12:4 & 9
There is no doubt that the 70th 'week' remains to be completed, as is well described in Revelation.

Hidden from the spiritually undiscerning. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

You disagree with Douggg on Daniel 9.

Which of you is in error?

 

[Douggg]

Hidden from the spiritually undiscerning. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

You disagree with Douggg on Daniel 9.

Which of you is in error?

We are not disagreeing on Daniel 9 that the 70th week is still unfulfilled. Please try to contribute to the discussion, rather than being the instigator of animosity.

 

[jgr]

We are not disagreeing on Daniel 9 that the 70th week is still unfulfilled. Please try to contribute to the discussion, rather than being the instigator of animosity.

Why would there be any animosity?

One of you is in error. Simple as that.

Except where Dougg says the 'covenant' of Daniel 9:27 is the Mosaic Covenant.

Which of you is in error?

 

[keras]

Which of you is in error?

Dougg says it is a Covenant, the re-establishment of the Mosaic Covenant.
Which is wrong; Daniel 9:27 is just a fixed term peace treaty between the 'prince', the Leader of the soon to be formed One World Govt and the people living in the holy Land by that time.
God does not make 7 year Covenants and the Mosaic C. is dead and gone.

What I do agree with Dougg, is about your unpleasant and over-bearing attitude to anyone who challenges your preterist beliefs. Your reliance on the writings of any and every expositor, rather than the Words of scripture, is your downfall.

 

[jgr]

Dougg says it is a Covenant, the re-establishment of the Mosaic Covenant.
Which is wrong; Daniel 9:27 is just a fixed term peace treaty between the 'prince', the Leader of the soon to be formed One World Govt and the people living in the holy Land by that time.
God does not make 7 year Covenants and the Mosaic C. is dead and gone.

What I do agree with Dougg, is about your unpleasant and over-bearing attitude to anyone who challenges your preterist beliefs. Your reliance on the writings of any and every expositor, rather than the Words of scripture, is your downfall.

So you've been told that you're wrong about Daniel 9:27, Douggg. Can't you find some way to persuade keras that it is he who is wrong?

What about Daniel 9:23? Which of you is in error about that?

 

[Douggg]

So you've been told that you're wrong about Daniel 9:27, Douggg. Can't you find some way to persuade keras that it is he who is wrong?

What about Daniel 9:23? Which of you is in error about that?

I gave the contents of his post a like. We are not getting redirected by your not-so-veiled side tracking of the thread.