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Nah, he nailed it.

Clumsy redirection there. Five yards and loss of down.

Then what need has our Lord to investigate anything? The concept is ridiculous. God is omnipotent or He isn't. Pick one asnd run with it.

Then the investigation is for...? And just out of curiousity, isn't it interesting that y'all believe that God created the universe in 6 24 hour days, but it's take Him 180 years so far to investigate stuff that He already knows?
We never claim that God is trying to figure something out.

hint. read page one.

read the posts
No statement I have made says "God does not know something" and no statement I have posted says the details in the thread (that you are still ignoring) are saying that God is trying to understand or figure something out.

look at "the details " for Dan 7 and Rom 2 instead of ignoring them. As 2 Cor 5:10 points out each work of each person is brought in review and as Dan 7:9-10 states it is "books opened" and an entire court of NON-God beings that are seeing the evidence and reaching conclusions. It is not the all-knowing God who is trying to figure something out . Rather He is presiding over the court.


Why do these NON-God beings have a dog in that fight?

...
Consider making a point of scripture or showing a given scripture to have some other meaning or "something" ... make a case.
 
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We can all read Jipsah
And some of us, having no doctrinal ax to grind, actually pay attention what's being said.
we can all see on this thread that neither you nor he addressed a single text of scripture, a single detail, a single point raise in the text. This is not has hard for us "to read" as you seem to imagine.
Well you know, you may be right. I'll just waiting for your legions of unbiased objective readers to rally to your support.
(The very thing you claim cannot happen since you imagine this is not a sola scriptura discussion).
Quote, Bob. You seem to be putting lots of words in lots of mouths here lately.
IT is another thing to ignore every single detail and "wish away" the texts.
You mean like,"See right here? It says books will be opened!" Right.

BTW, how do you "support" the 1844 part?
But even in that extreme case - the only thing being discussed is scripture
As it pertains to Investigative Judgement, which is a pretty sketchy concept however you slice it.
-- which you claim is not possible for a doctrine that does not come from scripture at all.
<ROFL> Quote it, Bob.
The texts refute that wild speclation.
Whaty wild speculation? Your unbiased objective readers will want to know.
Your pattern of avoiding the texts on page 1 entirely - undermine your own claims.
Which claims?
It is you arguing anything-but-the-Bible post after post, as we can all read on this thread.
basically you keep making my point in that regard.
Your original point in the original thread was "them bad Catholics ain't sola scriptura, repeated 92.37 times. And yiuy're right, anyone with time and patience can read the entire ridiculous thing.
well it is not like I don't appreciate your efforts
Of course you don't. You apparently had a lot of emotional capital invested in that particular bit of Catholc baiting, and the unkindest cut of all was when everyone replied "of course they aren't!", and weren't filed with outrage at the idea.
to soft-ball lob these easy no-text-posts in when you can.
Your original post in th original thread was entirely no-text.
If you have the skill to look at the posts on the thread
I posted about half of them! 8)
- read the texts and make your case ... do it.
Did. Again and again. You didn't like it much.
All this anything-but-scripture posting you are doing in your "wish it all away" efforts only makes my case
Good! Declare a victory and move on.
that your claims
For instance?
so far are mere fluff.
The fluffier the better.
No substance as of yet
Hard to see why you're so upset, then? Oh, I fotgot. You set out to thump the Catholics and got thumped yourself. Hey, in the words of the Prophet Mohammed, "It's like that sometimes."
. Read the actual Bible texts... make a point.
I did. You didn't like it. Too bad.
 
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I don't see how this concept is so difficult "for some".
Not difficult for me at all. IJ is a made-up doctrine of the sort commonly contrived by failed date setters. Your lot believes it because you need to believe those failed date setters. They're your burden, not mine. We (Anglo)Catholics are content to point at them and laugh.
 
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We never claim that God is trying to figure something out.
Then why is He investigating, and poring over books?
hint. read page one.
Hint: Nobody home there.
Consider making a point of scripture or showing a given scripture to have some other meaning or "something" ... make a case.
Fairly transparent version of "prove it ain't". Burden's on you, matey. You want folks to believe a contention, support it.
 
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That's what I thought.
saying that this sola scriptura case for the IJ does not exist
It doesn't. It came from some bloke who needed to try and justify, if only in his own mind, having made a wholly bogus Second Coming prediction, and being quite justly hoorawed by his neighbors for it. So he did the SDA thing, he declared a victory, and invented an "explanation" for the failure of his "prophecy" (which is Standard Operating Procedure for failed date setters.)
 
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BobRyan said:

saying that this sola scriptura case for the IJ does not exist

It doesn't.
Well then we can all read page one and "see" that your case is hopeless at that point.
It is one thing not to agree with my POV as found in those texts --

IT is quite another to claim that the entire presentation from scripture alone "does not exist" and to ignore every scripture detail presented. That falls far below anything like a compelling well reasoned response and reduces to "wishing away" the existence of a presentation simply because the conclusion does not agree with your preferences.

"wishing away" presentations simply because they do not agree with your bias -- is not a form of compelling discussion (as we all know)
It came from some bloke
turns out - scripture is not "from some bloke"

feel free to respond to an actual scripture or point on page one, or make an actual point.

Why is this concept so difficult? It is a rather basic skill needed for threads on General Theology as it turns out.
 
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BobRyan said:

saying that this sola scriptura case for the IJ does not exist


Well then we can all read page one and "see" that your case is hopeless at that point.
It is one thing not to agree with my POV as found in those texts --
Well, maybe not.

Where in Scripture did the years 457 BC and 1844 AD come from? I don't see them in Scripture anywhere.

Put your sola scriptura to work on that one and get back to me.

IT is quite another to claim that the entire presentation from scripture alone "does not exist"
Show me where those dates exist in Scripture.

and to ignore every scripture detail presented.
Your word search results?
That falls far below anything like a compelling well reasoned response and reduces to "wishing away" the existence
Gimme the evidence of where those dates come from in Scripture.
of a presentation simply because the conclusion does not agree with your preferences.
The original conclusion of Miller's little exercise in date setting. Which, BTW, ignored the explicit words of our Lord in Matthew 24:36-39 (didn't need no sola scriptura there, huh?).
turns out - scripture is not "from some bloke"
The bloke in question is Hiram Edson, and I don't remember a Book of Edson in my Bible. <Laugh>
feel free to respond to an actual scripture
Gimme the Scriptural source of those dates first, por favor.
Why is this concept so difficult? It is a rather basic
maybe because I lack the imagination, credulity, or both, to pile into such a contrived load of rubbish.
skill needed for threads on General Theology as it turns out.
Fear not, some day you may earn some degree of credibilty. Until then, your hordes of unbiased objective readers will cheer you on.
 
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As long as we're talking about SS, here's one for you to chomp on: there is no decree or commandment in the New Testament for Christians to keep Sunday as a religious day of meeting, It is also true that, while all the other 9 Commandments are enjoined in the New Testament, the commandment about keeping the Sabbath of Moses is not mentioned! Looks like y'all are harkening back to the OT on the basis of tradition, and not New Testament Scripture. Oh, but the OT is still in the Bible!" Yeah it is, and so...

Acts 15
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Note that the Command to keep the Sabbath is part of the Law of Moses, right?

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Except, of course, keeping the Sabbath, right? Thus saith your tradition, but not holy writ!

And here, of course, the Apostolic Decree:

Acts 15
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

No commandment to keep the Law! Oh, except, of course, keeping the Sabbath, right? Well,
Thus saith your tradition, but not holy writ! No exceptions offered.

Oh, but they were taught to keep the Law later, right? I don't see that in Scripture, and y'all are rigidly SS, ain'tcha?

Looks like sola scriptura doesn't apply here, either. Looks like y'all may be rather better at accusing those you don't like of ignoring SS than of keeping it yourselves. Looks like a matter of convenience, you keep SS when it doesn't interfere with some dogma that you have embraced where a strict observance of Scripture would be problematic.
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We'll just let your unbiased, objective readers decide.
 
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And here's one I've mentioned but not really followed up: why would almighty all-knowing God need to do a centuries-long "investigation" to determine who's to be saved and who isn't?

From a sola scriptura standpoint:

Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20 God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4 Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4 He counts the number of the stars; He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21 Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9 “As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,

And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
Verse Concepts
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

Get the drift? Whatever it is, God already knows. Yeah, you can glom some figures of speech from the OT to make it look like God has to put on a green eyeshade and pore through dusty tomes to figure out who's to be saved and who isn't, but that isn't a real Scriptural basis for a dogma, or even an honest basis for claiming to have come up with that dogma "sola scriptura". God, who spoke the universe into being in, at least as you believe, 144 hours, has to take centuries studying books for information that, according to Scripture, He already knows! How goofy is that? IJ is no more a product of "sola scriptura" than is the Book of Mormon.
 
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(Usually - those who claim it is not based on scripture at all will of course try to ignore every scripture detail presented and "wish away" the texts without actually looking at them in detail or responding in detail (as some posts will show).


Daniel 7 tells us some key facts for those paying attention to the details in the chapter.

1. The judgment before the 2nd coming. (Pre-Advent) When Judgment ends we have 2nd coming/appearing according to the chapter
2. The Judgment scope that includes the saints ... and judgment passed in favor of the saints. vs 22.
3. The (little horn) persecution of the saints does not stop until after the judgment completes. So it is the key to ending that problem of the little horn.
4. The 1260 years of dark ages
5. The judgment event is connected to the end point for the dark ages persecution of the saints.

Solution: the "solution" in Daniel 7 is "the judgment" and that same "solution" in Daniel 8 is the cleansing of the sanctuary.
Bob, I consider myself one who pays attention to details in Dan., 7. I agree with your 5th statement, because of how I understand (Dan. 7:25). It states," The holy people will be delivered into his hands [11th horn/papacy] for a time, times, and half a time [1260 years/538-1798] But the court will sit, [be seated in 1798] and his power [11th horn/papacy will be taken away, in favor of the holy people who have been persecuted for the previous 1260 years] and completely destroyed forever. [during the seven last plagues]

I don't believe your 3rd statement aligns with prophecy, because you believe the little horn is still persecuting the saints and will continue until the judgement is completed just before the return of Christ.

History confirms the papacy received a deadly wound in 1798, when the dark ages ended. The papacy since that time has not been able to kill those who would disagree with it's dogma. You know this. Too, as I understand prophecy, the head that had the fatal wound which is healed, on the beast from the sea, in Rev., 13 is pointing to the papacy, which will gain power again for a short while during closing events, but that is in the future.
 
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Bob, I consider myself one who pays attention to details in Dan., 7. I agree with your 5th statement, because of how I understand (Dan. 7:25). It states," The holy people will be delivered into his hands [11th horn/papacy] for a time, times, and half a time [1260 years/538-1798] But the court will sit, [be seated in 1798] and his power [11th horn/papacy will be taken away, in favor of the holy people who have been persecuted for the previous 1260 years] and completely destroyed forever. [during the seven last plagues]
Amen to that!
I don't believe your 3rd statement aligns with prophecy, because you believe the little horn is still persecuting the saints and will continue until the judgement is completed just before the return of Christ.
More Christians died in the 1900's under persecution than in all centuries before that.

The persecution of Christians continues on to this very day.

You also see in Rev 13 that the persecuting entity in Dan 7 - is linked to all the persecution done by all the beasts of Dan 7 for all time.
History confirms the papacy received a deadly wound in 1798, when the dark ages ended. The papacy since that time has not been able to kill those who would disagree with it's dogma. You know this.
I agree that the domination seen in the days of "The Holy Roman Empire" no longer exists for the Catholic Church - but you can see persecution of non-Catholics in central and south America when it comes to government , politics etc. But my claim about Dan 7 is not that "just the RCC persecutes" it is that "persecution itself" -- the fact of Christianity under persecution -- even in cases where it is Catholics being persecuted by atheist or communist states - etc. All forms of persecution against Christians will continue until that Dan 7 judgment completes.

The 1260 years are not a timeline to the 2nd coming (As the gospels point out) and the text does not say that this is the time it takes for the judgment of Dan 7:9-10 to happen. IT just indicates something that can be used to help identify the little horn and it gives the reader a sense of the time frame for the prophecy. So also does the 2300 years of Dan 8.
Too, as I understand prophecy, the head that had the fatal wound which is healed, on the beast from the sea, in Rev., 13 is pointing to the papacy, which will gain power again for a short while during closing events, but that is in the future.
True that Rev 13 says the deadly wound will be healed completely at some point.

Both Dan 7 and Rev 13 point to the case of domination and persecution of the saints - and the existence of persecuting elements on Earth that are not stopped until Jesus arrives. And Dan 7 tells us - that does not happen until the Dan 7 judgment in heaven completes.
 
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As long as we're talking about SS, here's one for you to chomp on: there is no decree or commandment in the New Testament for Christians to keep Sunday as a religious day of meeting,
True.

And there is no "Every Sunday we meet for worship"

It is also true that, while all the other 9 Commandments are enjoined in the New Testament, the commandment about keeping the Sabbath of Moses is not mentioned!
Actually the Sabbath commandment is quoted from in Rev 14, Acts 19 and in other chapters.
The only one of the ten NEVER quoted from at all in the NT - is Ex 20:7 "do not take God's name in vain"

Which of course does not mean we are allowed to take God's name in vain - not even as NT Christians.

Looks like y'all are harkening back to the OT on the basis of tradition
err... umm... nope.

For all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"


Acts 18:4 Paul was preaching the gospel in worship service to both gentiles and Jews "EVERY SABBATH"

No such statement in the NT for "Every week day 1"
 
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BobRyan said:

Well then we can all read page one and "see" the sola scriptura case that is made.
It is one thing not to agree with my POV as found in those texts --

IT is quite another to claim that the entire presentation from scripture alone "does not exist" and to ignore every scripture detail presented. That falls far below anything like a compelling well reasoned response and reduces to "wishing away" the existence of a presentation simply because the conclusion does not agree with your preferences.

"wishing away" presentations simply because they do not agree with your bias -- is not a form of compelling discussion (as we all know)

turns out - scripture is not "from some bloke"

Well, maybe not.

Where in Scripture did the years 457 BC and 1844 AD come from? I don't see them in Scripture anywhere.
So then you did or did not read page 1?

Notice in the OP -- and in the title -- the purpose of the thread is to show from Dan 7 that:
1. there is a judgment in heaven
2. it concludes before the advent of Christ
3. It involves the cases of the saints just as is the case in Rom 2 and 2 Cor 5:10
4. it is based out of the books - things written in books (as also the NT affirms)
5. The saints are being persecuted the entire time that the judgment goes until..

At the very least read - post 1 , 2 and 3

The purpose of the thread is not to show the start day of that judgment or the start date of the 490 years of Dan 9 or the start date of the 2300 years - though I provide an example of such dates...whether or not you accept those dates does not change the 5 points listed here.
Put your sola scriptura to work on that one and get back to me.
Is this you reading page 1 of this thread? I prefer not to have to repeat the first page on each following page of the thread.
Show me where those dates exist in Scripture.
you are tempting me to re-post page one

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Here is a good example of someone on this very thread -- not a member of my denomination - who read page 1, is following the details, does not agree with me on everything but easily sees how the dates come from Dan 8 and 9 and the protestant day-for-year historicist method of prophetic interpretation that is used for Dan 7. -- #53
 
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I agree that the domination seen in the days of "The Holy Roman Empire" no longer exists for the Catholic Church - but you can see persecution of non-Catholics in central and south America when it comes to government , politics etc. But my claim about Dan 7 is not that "just the RCC persecutes" it is that "persecution itself" -- the fact of Christianity under persecution -- even in cases where it is Catholics being persecuted by atheist or communist states - etc. All forms of persecution against Christians will continue until that Dan 7 judgment completes.
Bob, I will post here, your 3rd statement of post #1. 3. "The (little horn) persecution of the saints does not stop until after the judgment completes. So it is the key to ending that problem of the little horn."
You even bolden, "does not stop until after the judgment completes. Which I questioned because as I understand it, it is not according to prophecy. Your response is above.

In your response above you state, "I agree that the domination seen in the days of "The Holy Roman Empire" no longer exists for the Catholic Church." So then, you are in agreement with me? If so then perhaps you should consider reediting your 3rd statement in your original post for clarity.





 
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BobRyan said:

I agree that the domination seen in the days of "The Holy Roman Empire" no longer exists for the Catholic Church (though its deadly wound has yet to fully heal) - but you can see persecution of non-Catholics in central and south America when it comes to government , politics etc. But my claim about Dan 7 is not that "just the RCC persecutes" it is that "persecution itself" -- the fact of Christianity under persecution -- even in cases where it is Catholics being persecuted by atheist or communist states - etc. All forms of persecution against Christians will continue until that Dan 7 judgment completes
Bob, I will post here, your 3rd statement of post #1. 3. "The (little horn) persecution of the saints does not stop until after the judgment completes. So it is the key to ending that problem of the little horn."
You even bolden, "does not stop until after the judgment completes. Which I questioned because as I understand it, it is not according to prophecy. Your response is above.

In your response above you state, "I agree that the domination seen in the days of "The Holy Roman Empire" no longer exists for the Catholic Church." So then, you are in agreement with me? If so then perhaps you should consider reediting your 3rd statement in your original post for clarity.
The reason I don't do that is that in Rev 13 and in Dan 7 we have statements that make the little horn problem more expansive than just the 11th horn RCC. Bigger than just the 1260 year problem.

Dan 7:
11 Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was killed, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.

that horn was waging war with the saints and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.

and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will humble three kings. 25 And he will speak against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom

"some" Identifiers in Dan 7 - details
1. Little horn - 11th horn
2. Uproots 3 of the initial 10 horns
3. Little horn may be recognized as tormenting saints for a 1260 year period of time
4. But torment of saints continues (in whatever form) -- until the court/judgment event completes
5. All the 4 beasts continue on PAST their time "An extension of life given them"
* nothing in Dan 7 says that the judgment must complete within the 1260. But the text is very clear that when it does complete all torment ends.

Rev 13:
Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten crowns, and on his heads were blasphemous names. 2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne, and great authority. 3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been fatally wounded, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” 5 A mouth was given to him speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority was given to him over every tribe, people, language, and nation.

1. All 4 beasts of Dan 7 represented in part in the composite beast of Rev 13:1-2
2. The Rev 13 composite beast torments for the SAME 1260 period as in Dan 7 -
3. Composite Rev 13 beast specifically torments saints.
4. That composite beast is the first of TWO beasts that bring in the end-time scenario of the mark of the beast.
* Nothing in Rev 13 says the composite beast ends after 1260 years just that it is known as the one that specifically tormented saints for that period.




 
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Judgment in favor of the saints ...
The issue with the phrase is that it is not actually from scripture. Dan. 7:22 does not in any way say, "Judgment in favor of the saints". It says:

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

The word "given to" comes from the Hebrew יהבH3052 and it means to give to, yield over to. It is translated this way the entire time.

Total KJV Occurrences: 28
given, 16
Ezr_6:4, Ezr_6:8-9 (2), Ezr_7:19, Dan_2:23, Dan_2:37-38 (2), Dan_4:16, Dan_5:28, Dan_7:4, Dan_7:6, Dan_7:11, Dan_7:14, Dan_7:22, Dan_7:25, Dan_7:27
gave, 4
Ezr_5:12, Dan_2:48, Dan_5:18-19 (2)
give, 2
Dan_5:17, Dan_6:2
delivered, 1
Ezr_5:14
giveth, 1
Dan_2:21
laid, 1
Ezr_5:16
paid, 1
Ezr_4:20
prolonged, 1
Dan_7:12
yielded, 1
Dan_3:28

Dan. 7:22c refers to Rev. 20:4 where it directly copies from Dan. 7:22c

Rev. 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

It refers to the period of the 1000 years that the saints enter into judgment in Heaven, looking at the books; 1 Cor. 6:2-3; Psa. 149:1-9, just as the angels had done before the 1000 years, Dan. 7:9-10, in connection with God.

1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
 
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Sorry, but this is eisegesis. If you accept that Jesus Christ is God, and accept that God is all-knowing, then the idea of an “Investigative Judgement” makes zero sense. ...
If I may ask, why does it make "zero sense" for God to investigate? Who said the investigation was for His (God's) knowledge? Examples:

Gen. 3:8,9,11,13,24---“the voice of the LORD God” investigates Adam & Eve; “where”, “Who”, “hast”, “what”

Gen. 4:9-12---God investigates Cain about Abel; “where”Gen. 5:22-24;

Heb. 11:5---God investigates Enoch; “had this testimony, that he pleased God”

Gen. 6:3,5,12---God investigates the world; “saw…every imagination”, “looked upon”

Gen. 11:5-6---God comes down at the Tower of babel; “to see”

Gen. 18:20-21---God comes down to Sodom & Gomorrah; “see … know”

Exo. 16:4,28; Num. 15:32-36; 1 Cor. 10:1-12---God tests Israel about His commandments, the 7th day the Sabbath; “How long”, “what should be done”

Lev. 16:1-34, 23:26-32; Exo. 28:15,29-30---God investigates Israel, Day of Atonement; “breast plate of judgment”

1 Kin. 3:16-28---King Solomon (Type of Christ, Prince of peace) investigates from his throne over two women and a living & dead child; “judgment”

Ezr. 2:59,61-63; Neh. 7:61,63-65---In Ezra 2, after coming out of Babylon, the priests had to be investigated to make sure they were on the genealogical records

Job 1:8, 2:3---God & man (Job) are investigated; “Hast thou considered”

Eze. 8:1-18, 9:1-11---God investigates two groups inside the city

Dan. 7:9-10,13,22(b), 8:13-14,26, 12:1,12---The Investigative Judgment; “every one that shall be found written in the book”

Zec. 3:1-3---God investigates the high priest Joshua; “clothed”

Mal. 3:3,5---God searches the metals for impurities; refiner & purifier

Luk. 13:7---Jesus investigates for fruit; “I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none”

Mat. 18:21-35---The King investigates; “a certain king, which would take account of his servants”

Mat. 22:11---The King investigates; “the king came in to see the guests, he saw”

Mar. 11:13---Jesus investigates, “seeing … afar off”

Rom. 2:13-16---“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”

2 Cor. 5:10---“we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ”

Heb. 9:27---“it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment”

1 Pet. 4:5---Investigating the dead; “give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead”

Jud. 1:15---In order, “To execute judgment upon all”, an investigation takes place first

Rev. 3:10, 17:12---“the hour (time) of temptation (testing)”; investigating the living

Rev. 3:14---“Laodicea” (Judgment of the people)

Rev. 11:1-2---Investigating the church; “measure the Temple (God’s people)”, “worship”

Rev. 14:6-13---“the hour of his judgment is come”
 
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