Daniel 3:25 who was the Fourth man in the fire?

[markie]

When all else fails, attack the venerable KJV because that's all there's left to do. The KJV "inconveniently" proves the Holy Trinity and the deity of Jesus Christ. This is what's tragic about the multiplicity of other Bible "translations". Those other Bible versions have made it easier for non-believers to "prove" their case. This became evident on a thread I posted proving Jesus' claim to deity. The challenge was to read what was written and simply comment on its possible meaning without making all sorts of outlandish claims (including attacking the KJV). Only one person ("muslimah") seemed up to the challenge and I commended her for it.

I think the other versions do that too, they just might be more accurate as to what was really said. If God said it once there is no need to repeat it but if a person doesn't want to believe it no matter how many times it's written they can always find an excuse not to believe. The only thing I find wrong with the king James is there aren't enough word's in the concordance to correspond to the words or phrase's used, and I do think it was mistranslated here. In fact the NASB proves the deity of Christ more than the king James because in Luke 22::70 in the king James Jesus says ye say that I am which could mean well you said I am but I didn't. In the NASB Jesus says yes I am, 70 And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am.". He answered in the affirmative which proves beyond a doubt that Jesus was the Son of God. The king James is just somewhat ambiguous in places.

 

[markie]

Listen markie i am not stupid as far as english is concerned.I was born and bred in Britain and was actually in the past teaching English to foreigners.The son of GOD and the son of GODs whether in old or modern English makes a big difference. For them to actually change this there must have a big discrepancy and I am sure die hard christians Like yourself will never admit to any discrepency even though the truth would be put in front of you.For so many years the verse contained the Son of GOD and people read it as the Son of GOD with the capital S which in Latin languages makes a difference.Then suddenly it is changed to a small s which undermine the word son and an s is added to GOD.This does make a difference a big Difference.The capital S as I remember,you, yourself in a previous post explained that it was to describe Jesus alone in translations.so now it has become small s and a s added to the word God. this is just one, I can name loads like this where a word has been changed in the new translations and it changes the whole meaning of the verse.The problem is that you people in christianity will not write or contact your scholars to ask for enlightment on this issue but rather, like the priest themselves, you will ask that person who raised the issue not to blaspheme.Unlike islam where we actually sit and question our scholars if we are not happy with issues we open up our books and check then go back to the scholars until the issue is cleared.
I have never been able to have a proper dialogue with an open minded christain who has taken the facts and analysed and although other christian scholars who have researched them, have found that there are some things not right there.yet the die hard Layman out of emotion is prepared to die to prove he is right.
anyway
peace

He could just as well said the form of the fourth is like the Son of God but I doubt if he was talking about Jesus. If you read it in context you will see that it is highly unlikely that he was. Nebachanezzar worshipped the gods and he might have considered one above the rest. The fourth guy could have looked like the son of that special god. Nebachanezzar said it that doesn't mean it was true or that he was the Son of God, if he had a special god that may be why this is capitalized. Maybe the sons of special gods were written with capital letters and he was talking about one particular son which was not Jesus Christ. In Geneses 6::2 sons of God is written with a small s. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; in this verse the word is ben and in the widest sense means relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, but here it is bar and only means son or shows lineage
bar, (Chald.), bar; corresp. to H1121; a son, grandon, etc.:-- X old, son.
He most likely said a son of the gods. The king James translators made a mistake. Some people think it's the only true version of the bible but it is not the most accurate version that's available. I'm sure the Catholics think their version is the true word of God and others have their favorites just remember scriptura scripturae interpres I think that's how you say it anyway scripture interprets scripture.

 

[Bevlina]

Because the Bible has not explained exactly who the fourth person in the flames was, I was told many years ago it could have been the Angel Gabriel as well. It was Gabriel, who stands in God's presence who appeared to Daniel twice. Gabriel is a messenger of God. He appears in the Old Testament Book of Daniel and in Luke’s Gospel. Gabriel appeared twice to the prophet Daniel. One of those appearances was to explain the meaning of a vision that the prophet had experienced. (Dan. 8: 16) The second visit of the angel was to explain a prophecy that God had revealed to Daniel but that the prophet did not understand. (Dan. 9:21)

 

[jlujan69]

One thing we're forgetting is that if the Bible says someone said something, then that person really said it. In the case of Nebuchadnezzar, if he really did state that he saw the Son of God, then it's obvious that the Holy Spirit would have revealed that fact to him for some reason. Nebuchadnezzar wouldn't necessarily have to know the prophecies about the coming Messiah to recognize the fourth person as the Son. Remember in Revelation when John said that he hadn't even recognized Jesus in His glorified form until Jesus revealed His identity to him. God reveals truths to individuals for reasons only He knows. So, it would not be unlike a sovereign God to reveal an awesome truth even to an unbelieving Gentile. Remember that later on Nebuchanezzar became a believer.

 

[peaceful soul]

One thing we're forgetting is that if the Bible says someone said something, then that person really said it. In the case of Nebuchadnezzar, if he really did state that he saw the Son of God, then it's obvious that the Holy Spirit would have revealed that fact to him for some reason. Nebuchadnezzar wouldn't necessarily have to know the prophecies about the coming Messiah to recognize the fourth person as the Son. Remember in Revelation when John said that he hadn't even recognized Jesus in His glorified form until Jesus revealed His identity to him. God reveals truths to individuals for reasons only He knows. So, it would not be unlike a sovereign God to reveal an awesome truth even to an unbelieving Gentile. Remember that later on Nebuchanezzar became a believer.

I think that many Christians can attest to saying something inspired by God with no comprehension at the time and later realizing that they were actually agents of God to communicate something to others. I can surely attest to this. I have said things to people that I did not relize the significance of it until the Holy Spirit confirmed the fact to me later. To me, it would make since absolutely that God can use anyone to bring forth truth in a given situation regardless of whether that person is a Christian or not. In the Bible, God used many ungodly men to assist in doing His will.

 

[markie]

It is obvious from Biblical accounts that no angel ever behaved in the manner that was mentioned with Mohammad. Angels do not squeeze or force people to do things. Angels are not spirits either.

So a simple conclusion has to be that Mohammad was not visited by an angel of God. It had to be the enemy then by default - satan. We can substantiate the behavior of angels by investigating the many occurences recorded in the Bible and see if there is a consistency in their behavior.

I read that it appeared as an angel of light and there is only one angel of light in the bible. It said at first Mohammed was afraid that it might be an evil spirit but his wife convinced him it was of God. Looks like he was right the first time. 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Jesus was not the fourth man in the fiery furnace, since he did not even exist back then.