Daniel 3:25 who was the Fourth man in the fire?

[Bevlina]

That we do petr. That's why we don't like people saying the Bible is corrupt.

 

[xxdaggerxx]

its obvious caller is playing dumb. does the truth scare you?

 

[Petr]

That we do petr. That's why we don't like people saying the Bible is corrupt.

Even if you knew the whole Bible by heart, you still do not know the whole thing.

 

[Bevlina]

We are led by the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truths petr. Through the Holy Spirit, we know all things which are beneficial to our spiritual being. The Bible is our guide to many things. For the Christian. The New Testament, but, we read and love the Old Testament due to the wisdom imparted in it. We are ready for correction and reproof.
We are open to tuition from the source given to us by our Father in Heaven.

We do not wish to know the Bible by heart, but simply to learn from it.

 

[Petr]

We are led by the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truths petr. Through the Holy Spirit, we know all things which are beneficial to our spiritual being. The Bible is our guide to many things. For the Christian. The New Testament, but, we read and love the Old Testament due to the wisdom imparted in it. We are ready for correction and reproof.
We are open to tuition from the source given to us by our Father in Heaven.

We do not wish to know the Bible by heart, but simply to learn from it.

Why did the Holy Spirit cause everyone to interpret the Bible differently?

 

[Bevlina]

Many people who call themselves Christians petr do not walk in the way God wants them to walk. Not all who say they are a christian are true christians. You will know them by their Fruit.

 

[peaceful soul]

Why did the Holy Spirit cause everyone to interpret the Bible differently?

The Holy Spirit can not and will not force people who want to believe anything other than what the Holy Spirit reveals to them, to believe differently. The Holy Spirit is our guide. He can only guide us if we are seeking the Spirit and listening intently for it.

A major part of our problem is listening to what God is saying to us. It is not always an easy task considering that our flesh is still a part of us. We are by no means, perfect people. We are succeptible to error just as the next person is. The difference is that if we are listening to the Spirit, we very soon regain our sanity and get back into focus with God.

Some of us insist upon a meaning and do not let the meaning come from the leading of the Holy Spirit. That is why you will get some people who say that they do not believe a certain thing in the Bible. It is not because of the Bible being incorrect, but they have refrained the Holy Spirit from teaching them the meanings. They have decided to trust what they have formed in their minds rather than what the Holy Spirit is trying to form in their hearts. Any time that we read the Bible, we should always yield to the understanding from God and not from our personal beliefs. Our beliefs are conditioned from the outside world, which is not of God. I hope that helps somewhat.

One fundamental fact of God. His Word confirms His Spirit and vice versa. Neither contradicts the other.

 

[Petr]

There were holy people, yet their interpretations differ. It doesn't buffle me anymore there are people who still say their interpretation is the correct one, all of them claim to have been advised by holy spirit, and all of them have different interpretation at some point.

 

[peaceful soul]

There were holy people, yet their interpretations differ. It doesn't buffle me anymore there are people who still say their interpretation is the correct one, all of them claim to have been advised by holy spirit, and all of them have different interpretation at some point.

The point is that regardless to what you may hear, not all people have a close realtionship with Christ. Do you think that they are going to tell you that they do not? In some cases, they may be honest. All people who walk in obedience to Christ are holy. No one should boast about their interpretation being the right one. They should always remain humble in spirit and acknowleged that what they believe is what they understand not "what sayeth the Lord".

Unless the Holy Spirit is working in that area of their lives, they should not be so confident of themselves to act accordingly, in most cases (MO). There are certain parts of the Bible that I have personal experiences with that I can testify to without blinking an eye. I know the truths in those particular scriptures, and have no propblem in stating that is what those scriptures say. I can say this because the Holy Spirit has convicted me and is convicting me in the past and when I converse. There may lie the difference, Petr.

The Bible interprets itself if it is read with the intention of understanding it instead of writing your own understanding into it. I can tell you from personal experience, that if you are listening to God, you will allow God to control your thoughts, mind, and spirit. You will yield to the understanding that He gives you. He will also take you through experiences in your life that will confirm what you read and what He tells you. We will probably never come to the exact thoughts in our conclusions, but we will, however, have the same spiritual understanding of things, barring that we turn not to ourselves as the means of understanding.

We are in a war with the flesh daily. I pray many times that God help me not to lean on my own understanding, but trust in Him as He imparts His knowledge to me. I can not overemphasize that. We are not perfect, Petr. I hope that you do not claim that you are. I know that you make mistakes in your own philosphical and spiritual walk. So, do think that you are immune even if you do not subscribe to my beliefs.

 

[markie]

So the Son of GOD(here with a capital S) was seen in the fire long before he was born. Or shall we say tht Jesus was not the Son of God since this tiltle was already used in the past for other people so why should it apply to Jesus alone.This is why they quickly chnged it in the new translations to a small s and add a s to the God cause it is highlyu embarassing to have the Son Of GOD in the fire now isn't it.No body has explained to me about the change.When i say that ther is corruption in the bbile you lot hurry to deny.Here they have changed Son of God to make it son of Gods two different things just with one letter.This has change the meaning completely.Son of God in capital s is only attributed to Jesus.so take him out of the fire quickly and drop the son of GODs in any other gods as long as it is not Jesus.
it is clear.
peace

I'm sure Nebachanezzar didn't sat the fourth man looks like Jesus Christ. He didn't know Jesus was coming and he wouldn't have recognized Jesus. I think S. Walch said that the correct translation the fourth looks like a divine being which in Aramaic is a son of the gods. That sounds right because in the new American standard bible that verse says a son of the gods. The word "the is in italics which means it has been added and in their concordance or the NASC there is not a word for the. It could have said the fourth looks like the son of gods but the was added for clarification. If you are fluent in seventeenth century English the king James is a very accurate translation if not there are newer versions available. The fourth man was an angel. It doesn't say he stayed in the fire it just doesn't mention the angel again. Maybe the angel just appeared and went back to heaven, apparently that's what happened.The king James was written during the time of Shakespeare with Shakespearean poetry and expressions. I can't find any word or words in my concordance that mean the same as lot of words and phrases in the king James version of the bible. The king James is considered by a lot of people to be the most accurate, and it may have been in the seventeenth century. I think some of the newer versions like the new king James and others are actually translations or updates of the authorized king James
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[caller_to_truth]

I'm sure Nebachanezzar didn't sat the fourth man looks like Jesus Christ. He didn't know Jesus was coming and he wouldn't have recognized Jesus. I think S. Walch said that the correct translation the fourth looks like a divine being which in Aramaic is a son of the gods. That sounds right because in the new American standard bible that verse says a son of the gods. The word "the is in italics which means it has been added and in their concordance or the NASC there is not a word for the. It could have said the fourth looks like the son of gods but the was added for clarification. If you are fluent in seventeenth century English the king James is a very accurate translation if not there are newer versions available. The fourth man was an angel. It doesn't say he stayed in the fire it just doesn't mention the angel again. Maybe the angel just appeared and went back to heaven, apparently that's what happened.The king James was written during the time of Shakespeare with Shakespearean poetry and expressions. I can't find any word or words in my concordance that mean the same as lot of words and phrases in the king James version of the bible. The king James is considered by a lot of people to be the most accurate, and it may have been in the seventeenth century. I think some of the newer versions like the new king James and others are actually translations or updates of the authorized king James
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Listen markie i am not stupid as far as english is concerned.I was born and bred in Britain and was actually in the past teaching English to foreigners.The son of GOD and the son of GODs whether in old or modern English makes a big difference. For them to actually change this there must have a big discrepancy and I am sure die hard christians Like yourself will never admit to any discrepency even though the truth would be put in front of you.For so many years the verse contained the Son of GOD and people read it as the Son of GOD with the capital S which in Latin languages makes a difference.Then suddenly it is changed to a small s which undermine the word son and an s is added to GOD.This does make a difference a big Difference.The capital S as I remember,you, yourself in a previous post explained that it was to describe Jesus alone in translations.so now it has become small s and a s added to the word God. this is just one, I can name loads like this where a word has been changed in the new translations and it changes the whole meaning of the verse.The problem is that you people in christianity will not write or contact your scholars to ask for enlightment on this issue but rather, like the priest themselves, you will ask that person who raised the issue not to blaspheme.Unlike islam where we actually sit and question our scholars if we are not happy with issues we open up our books and check then go back to the scholars until the issue is cleared.
I have never been able to have a proper dialogue with an open minded christain who has taken the facts and analysed and although other christian scholars who have researched them, have found that there are some things not right there.yet the die hard Layman out of emotion is prepared to die to prove he is right.
anyway
peace

 

[jlujan69]

So the Son of GOD(here with a capital S) was seen in the fire long before he was born. Or shall we say tht Jesus was not the Son of God since this tiltle was already used in the past for other people so why should it apply to Jesus alone.This is why they quickly chnged it in the new translations to a small s and add a s to the God cause it is highlyu embarassing to have the Son Of GOD in the fire now isn't it.No body has explained to me about the change.When i say that ther is corruption in the bbile you lot hurry to deny.Here they have changed Son of God to make it son of Gods two different things just with one letter.This has change the meaning completely.Son of God in capital s is only attributed to Jesus.so take him out of the fire quickly and drop the son of GODs in any other gods as long as it is not Jesus.
it is clear.
peace

Why would it be embarassing to have the Son of God in the fire protecting His people from harm? Since He is God, the point of Him being somewhere "before He was born" is moot. Now, regarding corruption of texts, you're certainly correct in stating the obvious: the modern English texts do differ from the venerable KJV text in certain areas, and this does lead to confusion. Christians ought not be embarassed or surprised to see such things happening as it was prophesied long ago by Christ Himself. Of course, He also predicted that "many would come claiming to be Christ, deceiving even the elect if it were possible."

 

[Bevlina]

Listen markie i am not stupid as far as english is concerned.I was born and bred in Britain and was actually in the past teaching English to foreigners.The son of GOD and the son of GODs whether in old or modern English makes a big difference. For them to actually change this there must have a big discrepancy and I am sure die hard christians Like yourself will never admit to any discrepency even though the truth would be put in front of you.For so many years the verse contained the Son of GOD and people read it as the Son of GOD with the capital S which in Latin languages makes a difference.Then suddenly it is changed to a small s which undermine the word son and an s is added to GOD.This does make a difference a big Difference.The capital S as I remember,you, yourself in a previous post explained that it was to describe Jesus alone in translations.so now it has become small s and a s added to the word God. this is just one, I can name loads like this where a word has been changed in the new translations and it changes the whole meaning of the verse.The problem is that you people in christianity will not write or contact your scholars to ask for enlightment on this issue but rather, like the priest themselves, you will ask that person who raised the issue not to blaspheme.Unlike islam where we actually sit and question our scholars if we are not happy with issues we open up our books and check then go back to the scholars until the issue is cleared.
I have never been able to have a proper dialogue with an open minded christain who has taken the facts and analysed and although other christian scholars who have researched them, have found that there are some things not right there.yet the die hard Layman out of emotion is prepared to die to prove he is right.
anyway
peace

Daniel went into the den of lions rather than disobey God. Shadrac, Meshac, and Abednigo went into the fiery furnace rather than disobey God. They wouldn't worship anything but God. God has said in 1 Samuel 2:30 "Them that honor Me, I will honor."
Is it any surprise that God sent either an angel or His Son volunteered to save the three from the burning furnace?

 

[Paula]

Who was the fourth man? The Son of GOD?

Yes.

and why did he stay in the Fire? Why was he in the fire in the First place?

To protect Shadrach, Meshach and Abednago from being consumed by the fiery furnace.


Daniel 3 goes on to say:

26 Nebuchadnezzar then approached the opening of the blazing furnace and shouted, "Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, servants of the Most High God, come out! Come here!"
So Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego came out of the fire, 27 and the satraps, prefects, governors and royal advisers crowded around them. They saw that the fire had not harmed their bodies, nor was a hair of their heads singed; their robes were not scorched, and there was no smell of fire on them.
28 Then Nebuchadnezzar said, "Praise be to the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, who has sent his angel and rescued his servants! They trusted in him and defied the king's command and were willing to give up their lives rather than serve or worship any god except their own God. 29 Therefore I decree that the people of any nation or language who say anything against the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego be cut into pieces and their houses be turned into piles of rubble, for no other god can save in this way."
30 Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the province of Babylon.

So after all that was said and done, regardless of which translation we use, the highlight of this chapter and the following one as well (Daniel 3 and 4) is that King Nebuchadnezzar became a believer and wound up praising the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednago. To top it all off, he ordered everyone else in his kingdom to honor God as well! What changed the King's mind was that the three servants of God stood firm in their faith and how the One True God honored that faith.

 

[markie]

So the Son of GOD(here with a capital S) was seen in the fire long before he was born. Or shall we say tht Jesus was not the Son of God since this tiltle was already used in the past for other people so why should it apply to Jesus alone.This is why they quickly chnged it in the new translations to a small s and add a s to the God cause it is highlyu embarassing to have the Son Of GOD in the fire now isn't it.No body has explained to me about the change.When i say that ther is corruption in the bbile you lot hurry to deny.Here they have changed Son of God to make it son of Gods two different things just with one letter.This has change the meaning completely.Son of God in capital s is only attributed to Jesus.so take him out of the fire quickly and drop the son of GODs in any other gods as long as it is not Jesus.
it is clear.
peace

The man looked like, he wasn''t but he had the appearance of somebody. How could Nebachanzzar say the fourth man looks like Jesus Christ? He didn't know who Jesus was and he wasn't looking forward to His coming. I'm sure he said the fourth man has the appearance of a divine being. If you read the rest of the chapters 4-7 I think you will come to the same conclusion. I don't think the bible has been corrupted, but it has been changed. The verses were interpreted for those people at that time, the king James is still one of the most accurate translations but I think the newer versions such as the NIV and the NASB are better bibles. I like to compare them.

 

[Petr]

The point is that regardless to what you may hear, not all people have a close realtionship with Christ. Do you think that they are going to tell you that they do not? In some cases, they may be honest. All people who walk in obedience to Christ are holy. No one should boast about their interpretation being the right one. They should always remain humble in spirit and acknowleged that what they believe is what they understand not "what sayeth the Lord".

Unless the Holy Spirit is working in that area of their lives, they should not be so confident of themselves to act accordingly, in most cases (MO). There are certain parts of the Bible that I have personal experiences with that I can testify to without blinking an eye. I know the truths in those particular scriptures, and have no propblem in stating that is what those scriptures say. I can say this because the Holy Spirit has convicted me and is convicting me in the past and when I converse. There may lie the difference, Petr.

The Bible interprets itself if it is read with the intention of understanding it instead of writing your own understanding into it. I can tell you from personal experience, that if you are listening to God, you will allow God to control your thoughts, mind, and spirit. You will yield to the understanding that He gives you. He will also take you through experiences in your life that will confirm what you read and what He tells you. We will probably never come to the exact thoughts in our conclusions, but we will, however, have the same spiritual understanding of things, barring that we turn not to ourselves as the means of understanding.

We are in a war with the flesh daily. I pray many times that God help me not to lean on my own understanding, but trust in Him as He imparts His knowledge to me. I can not overemphasize that. We are not perfect, Petr. I hope that you do not claim that you are. I know that you make mistakes in your own philosphical and spiritual walk. So, do think that you are immune even if you do not subscribe to my beliefs.

My way of life is like this, "Believe whatever you want if it makes you a better person". Therefore I say, that whosoever says that the Spirit told him this and that, and it doesn't make him a better person, (because as I see it, the whole point of enlightenment through the Spirit, is to become a better person, more like God.), then the person is creating an image of his current state of mind which happens more than people tend to accept.

ie: a) person can't think for himself b) missionaries come c) tell him their church will lead him to salvation d) he begins to read the Bible and believe every word of it e) begins to think for himself f) starts disagreeing with the church at some point g) his interpretation automatically becomes the right one (because he lives under the impression(or illusion) that the Spirit told him that) h) in worst cases he becomes allienated to everyone else, particularly muslims and islam

 

[caller_to_truth]

The man looked like, he wasn''t but he had the appearance of somebody. How could Nebachanzzar say the fourth man looks like Jesus Christ? He didn't know who Jesus was and he wasn't looking forward to His coming. I'm sure he said the fourth man has the appearance of a divine being. If you read the rest of the chapters 4-7 I think you will come to the same conclusion. I don't think the bible has been corrupted, but it has been changed. The verses were interpreted for those people at that time, the king James is still one of the most accurate translations but I think the newer versions such as the NIV and the NASB are better bibles. I like to compare them.

Take this
"It is impossible to deny that the Bendictine Monks of St. Maur, as far as Latin and Greek language went, were very learned and talented, as well as numerous body of men. In Cleland's 'Life of Lanfranc, Archbishop of Canterbury', is the following passage: 'Lanfranc, a Benedictine Monk, Archbishop of Canterbury, having found the Scriptures much corrupted by copyists, applied himself to correct them, as also the writings of the fathers, agreeably to the orthodox faith, secundum fidem orthodoxam." in "History of Christianity in the light of Modern knowledge", Higgins p.318

"It is now generally agreed that 9-20 are not an original part of Mk. They are not found in the oldest MSS, and indeed were apparently not in the copies used by Mt. and Lk. A 10th-cent. Armenian MS ascribes the passage to Aristion, the presbyter mentioned by Papias (ap.Eus.HE III, xxxix, 15)."[size=-1][/size]
[size=-1]"Indeed an Armenian translation of St. Mark has quite recently been discovered, in which the last twelve verses of St. Mark are ascribed to Ariston, who is otherwise known as one of the earliest of the Christian Fathers; and it is quite possible that this tradition is correct" Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, F. Kenyon, Eyre and Spottiswoode, pp. 7-8[/size][size=-1][/size]



"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written" Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117




thirty two Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by fifty cooperating Christian denominations have to say about the Authorized Version (AV), or as it is better known, the King James Version (KJV). In the preface of the RSV 1971 we find the following:

"...Yet the King James Version has GRAVE DEFECTS.."



"...That these defects are SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS as to call for revision"


and this


In John 3:16 - AV(KJV) we read:


"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.."
But as seen in section 1.2.3.10, this fabrication "begotten" has now been unceremoniously excised by these most eminent of Bible revisers. However, humanity did not have to wait 2000 years for this revelation.



In 1st Epistle of John 5:7 (King James Version) we find:
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one."

this verse is the closest approximation to what the Church calls the holy Trinity. However, as seen in that section, this cornerstone of the Christian faith has also been scrapped from the RSV by the same thirty two Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by fifty cooperating Christian denominations, once again all according to the "most ancient manuscripts."


Any more for any more,I can go on till the morning comes with a list of proofs but your hearts are sealed to the truth and you would not want to know
peace

 

[ChrisLockhart]

Doesn't this belong in the Bible Authenticity thread? I thought we were discussing the fourth entity in the fire.

 

[caller_to_truth]

Doesn't this belong in the Bible Authenticity thread? I thought we were discussing the fourth entity in the fire.

well mention was made about corruption in the bile so answer was given.
Peace

 

[Bevlina]

caller. There is NO corruption in the Bible! How would you like it if we were to say mohammed was visited by a demon angel?
It's a similar thing caller.