Daniel 12

[5thKingdom]

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The Bible PROMISES in Daniel 12
the TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies would remain "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH during the "Time-of-the-End".


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are CLOSED UP AND SEALED till the TIME-OF-THE-END.
Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND.


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP the words, and SEAL the book, even to the TIME-OF-THE-END:
many [Last Saints] shall run to and fro, and knowledge [of the TRUTH] SHALL BE INCREASED [to the Last Saints].


This means at least two (2) things:


(1) EVERY old interpretation about Daniel's prophecies MUST BE WRONG because they were developed
during a period when the Bible PROMISES the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed"...
old interpretations could not be the TRUTH.


(2) At the "Time-of-the-End" knowledge "shall be increased" to the Last Saints
as they "shall understand" (and preach) the TRUTH that was "sealed".
This event is, in itself, a "sign" of the Lord's Return.


Here is what Daniel's Four "Beasts" or "Kingdoms" represent,
as preached by the Last Saints in this "Time-of-the-End"


(1) The (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom of Saints from Adam to Noah

(2) The (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] of Old Testament Saints

(3) The (3rd) the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 12, 7 verses] of Great Commission Saints BEFORE the Last Saint is "sealed" (saved)

(4) The (4th) the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] on earth AFTER the Last Saint is saved. [Rev 7:1-3]


This TRUTH harmonizes with all Scripture and the historical record (reality).


This TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies was NEVER PREACHED by any Saint until preached by the Last Saints.
That is a matter of historical record and it's exactly what the Bible PROMISED.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

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The Bible PROMISES in Daniel 12
the TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies would remain "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH during the "Time-of-the-End".


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are CLOSED UP AND SEALED till the TIME-OF-THE-END.
Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND.


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP the words, and SEAL the book, even to the TIME-OF-THE-END:
many [Last Saints] shall run to and fro, and knowledge [of the TRUTH] SHALL BE INCREASED [to the Last Saints].


This means at least two (2) things:


(1) EVERY old interpretation about Daniel's prophecies MUST BE WRONG because they were developed
during a period when the Bible PROMISES the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed"...
old interpretations could not be the TRUTH.


(2) At the "Time-of-the-End" knowledge "shall be increased" to the Last Saints
as they "shall understand" (and preach) the TRUTH that was "sealed".
This event is, in itself, a "sign" of the Lord's Return.


Here is what Daniel's Four "Beasts" or "Kingdoms" represent,
as preached by the Last Saints in this "Time-of-the-End"


(1) The (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom of Saints from Adam to Noah

(2) The (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] of Old Testament Saints

(3) The (3rd) the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 12, 7 verses] of Great Commission Saints BEFORE the Last Saint is "sealed" (saved)

(4) The (4th) the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] on earth AFTER the Last Saint is saved. [Rev 7:1-3]


This TRUTH harmonizes with all Scripture and the historical record (reality).


This TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies was NEVER PREACHED by any Saint until preached by the Last Saints.
That is a matter of historical record and it's exactly what the Bible PROMISED.


Jim

36 views and not ONE VERSE of Scripture refuting anything posted.

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[keras]

The Bible PROMISES in Daniel 12
the TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies would remain "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH during the "Time-of-the-End".

You portray Daniel incorrectly, he says: ........the wise leaders will understand.. REBible.
But YOU have wrongly added: 'and preach that truth during the time of the end'.

1/ No one will fully understand the end time Prophesies until the end times commence.
2/ Then it will be just the few leaders of His peoples.
3/ We know, from all the variety and confused commentaries on the Prophetic Word, from the Early Church Fathers, to the expositors of today: that there seems to be no one who has the correct knowledge and the truth of what God has planned for our future.
4/ Jesus tells us why this is: Father; I thank You for hiding these things from the wise and learned people and revealing them to the uneducated. Matthew 11:25-26

So what do you make of all this? Will anybody know and if they did, what sort of reception would they get?
Do you, Jim; believe you have the correct understanding of what God intends to do to correct His fallen Creation? It seems you do; but let me tell you; I also consider that I have gained a right understanding, after 12 years of intensive study of the Prophetic Word, with the help of inspiration from the holy Spirit.
And I disagree with most of your beliefs! There were and are not 5 Kingdoms for a start.

Do you believe that you will be 'raptured to heaven"? If so, you are deceived and cannot understand the truth of the end times.

 

[Semper-Fi]

.The Bible PROMISES in Daniel

See post #36 and #37

The History of Man (part 1)

Can you supply a link to this paper so we can see where it comes from, and who wrote it. Are you allowed, or have permission to repost something without giving the author credit? No... I don't know how to do that. Look through the posts. I only posted it last week I find it odd an end...

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[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
The Bible PROMISES in Daniel 12
the TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies would remain "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH during the "Time-of-the-End".

You portray Daniel incorrectly, he says: ........the wise leaders will understand.. REBible.
But YOU have wrongly added: 'and preach that truth during the time of the end'.

No... it does NOT say the "wise leaders"

And if it DID that would not change the MEANING that the "wise" represents the Last Saints.

Your PROBLEM is not accepting the TIMING of the event... it is the "Time-of-the-End"

1 No one will fully understand the end time Prophesies until the end times commence.

Dan 12 PROVES that Biblical Fact

2/ Then it will be just the few leaders of His peoples.

No... you ADDED that.
Then (at the "Time-of-the-End) the Last Saints will understand the TRUTH that was "closed-up" and "sealed".


Now... I am willing to agree that the Last Saints (at the "Time-of-the-End" are only a "few" people.
But the TEXT does not indicate that at all... that is only understood by harmonizing ALL RELATED passages.

3/ We know, from all the variety and confused commentaries on the Prophetic Word, from the Early Church Fathers, to the expositors of today: that there seems to be no one who has the correct knowledge and the truth of what God has planned for our future.

No... commentaries from ANY SAINT are not authoritive. ONLY the Bible has authority.


Secondly, we know FROM DANIEL 12... that the TRUTH about the end was "closed-up" and "sealed"
from all Saints until the Last Saints "shall understand" during a period called the "Time-of-the-End"


The ONLY (legitimate) question is:
WHEN is the "Time-of-the-End"


Does it include the Great Tribulation (aka Revelation Beast)?
Or does it ONLY include the "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the Fourth Beast is destroyed?
(Hint: it is the later)


Dan 7:11-12
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the [Fourth] Beast was slain,
and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the beasts [the previous Beasts],
they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a Season and Time.


You do not have to be a "Bible expert" to understand the Fourth Beast being "given to the Burning Flame"
represents the SAME EVENT as the Revelation Beast being "cast alive into the Lake of Fire"


Rev 19:20
And the [Revelation] Beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,
with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

4/ Jesus tells us why this is: Father; I thank You for hiding these things from the wise and learned people and revealing them to the uneducated. Matthew 11:25-26

No... the CONTEXT of Matthew 11 is during the Great Commission of the Church Age BEFORE the Last Saint is "sealed" (saved)
and NOT during the Great Tribulation of the Revelation Beast AFTER the Last Saint is saved.
Rev 7:1-3 PROVES this Biblical fact


Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.


The Bible is clear:
The Saints are saved during the Great Commission of the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
AFTER the Last Saint is saved, THEN the Revelation Beast arises and the Great Tribulation begins.

So what do you make of all this? Will anybody know and if they did, what sort of reception would they get?

The Bible is clear:
(1) the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) the TRUTH about Daniel's Fourth Beast
(2) NONE of the wicked shall understand... NONE


We do not need to speculate on this:


Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Do you, Jim; believe you have the correct understanding of what God intends to do to correct His fallen Creation?

I KNOW that I understand the TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies that remained "closed-up" and "sealed"
because my Gospel harmonizes with ALL RELATED passages.
I would abandon it if it contradicted ONE verse.

It seems you do; but let me tell you; I also consider that I have gained a right understanding, after 12 years of intensive study of the Prophetic Word, with the help of inspiration from the holy Spirit.

Then WHEN did you teach the FULFILLMENT of Daniel's 4 Beasts?
Knowing the TRUTH was never known to any Saint until the Last Saints [Dan 12]
meaning all old interpretations MUST BE WRONG because they were developed when
the Bible PROMISED the TRUTH remained "sealed".

If you follow old interpretations
you MUST BE WRONG... or Daniel 12 is a lie.


(1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom
(3rd) Christian Kingdom
(4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom


This TRUTH was NEVER TAUGHT during the Church Age
that is beyond question.

And I disagree with most of your beliefs!

Then the Bible commands you to REFUTE from Scripture.
just saying you disagree means LESS than nothing.

I say this with all due respect.
It is just a Biblical fact.

There were and are not 5 Kingdoms for a start.

Apparently you cannot count.

Daniel teaches about FOUR Kingdoms on earth BEFORE the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
specifically NAMED that in many verses.

When you ADD the Eternal Kingdom with the FOUR temporal kingdoms...
suddenly there are FIVE (5) "Kingdoms of Heaven"

The fact that this is NEW INFORMATION to you does not mean it's not the TRUTH.
You need to find contradicting SCRIPTURE to prove a Biblical fact...
just saying what you "feel" means nothing at all.

Do you believe that you will be 'raptured to heaven"? If so, you are deceived and cannot understand the truth of the end times.

The Bible NEVER teaches a "rapture" of Saints BEFORE the Lord Returns.
many people CONFLATE the Final Harvest with a supposed "rapture"
That is just another false doctrine


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[keras]

Re: Daniel 12:10b - my Revised English Bible does say: ....none of the wicked will understand, only the wise leaders will understand.
Therefore I believe that just a few people will know what God has planned for our future.

The rest of the Christian peoples will have their eyes opened and their ears unstopped - AFTER the Lord's Day of fiery wrath:
Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

Isaiah 42:18-20 You that are deaf; hear now, you that are blind; look and see! Who is so deaf and blind as My servant, the messenger that I send, the one who has My trust?

Isaiah 29:18 On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see.

Isaiah 29:24 Then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will take instruction.

Isaiah 32:3-4 Then those who see and hear will understand clearly, the impetuous mind will know and the stammering tongue will speak fluently and plainly.

Daniel teaches about FOUR Kingdoms on earth BEFORE the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
specifically NAMED that in many verses.

I do not see this as having any great significance. After all there have been hundreds of 'kingdoms' on earth since Adam.

What is the defining Plan of God for mankind, is the division of the past 6000 years into 3 tranches.
1/ From Adam to Abraham; exactly 2000 years
2/ From Abraham to Jesus; exactly 2000 years
3/ From Jesus; His acclamation as King, His subsequent death and Resurrection in 30 AD, until today; 1992 years later.
4/ Then comes the final 'Sabbath' of one thousand years, when Jesus will reign as King of the world.
5/ This fulfils the Seven 'Days' of Creation to Completion; of Gods Plan for mankind; 7000 years of earth time.

The Bible NEVER teaches a "rapture" of Saints BEFORE the Lord Returns.

Where do you think the people will be taken to in the 'harpazo' of 1 Thessalonians 4:17?

 

[DavidPT]

Re: Daniel 12:10b - my Revised English Bible does say: ....none of the wicked will understand, only the wise leaders will understand.
Therefore I believe that just a few people will know what God has planned for our future.

The rest of the Christian peoples will have their eyes opened and their ears unstopped - AFTER the Lord's Day of fiery wrath:
Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

Isaiah 42:18-20 You that are deaf; hear now, you that are blind; look and see! Who is so deaf and blind as My servant, the messenger that I send, the one who has My trust?

Isaiah 29:18 On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see.

Isaiah 29:24 Then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will take instruction.

Isaiah 32:3-4 Then those who see and hear will understand clearly, the impetuous mind will know and the stammering tongue will speak fluently and plainly.

I do not see this as having any great significance. After all there have been hundreds of 'kingdoms' on earth since Adam.

What is the defining Plan of God for mankind, is the division of the past 6000 years into 3 tranches.
1/ From Adam to Abraham; exactly 2000 years
2/ From Abraham to Jesus; exactly 2000 years
3/ From Jesus; His acclamation as King, His subsequent death and Resurrection in 30 AD, until today; 1992 years later.
4/ Then comes the final 'Sabbath' of one thousand years, when Jesus will reign as King of the world.
5/ This fulfils the Seven 'Days' of Creation to Completion; of Gods Plan for mankind; 7000 years of earth time.

Where do you think the people will be taken to in the 'harpazo' of 1 Thessalonians 4:17?

Wouldn't the logic be, the fact the text says that the wicked will never understand, and that if only very few understand, that then makes the rest the wicked, because it is only the wicked that don't understand? How can one who is not wise, still understand when it says only the wise shall understand, and that anyone who doesn't understand, they are of the wicked? But if it is not very many that are wise, thus understand, doesn't that mean the majority are of the wicked, otherwise they would understand, not not understand?

If you were to put a number on it, the fact there are billions of ppl on this planet presently, how many out of those billions of ppl do you assume would be among the wise that shall understand? A hundred? a thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A billion? Several billion?

BTW, apparently, presently we only have one wise saint that alleges to understand, meaning 5thKingdom, the fact I have yet to encounter other saints that understand all these things the exact same way he does. Most of us look at that as a red flag, that it implies private interpretation since no other saints on the planet are coming to some of these same conclusions.

 

[keras]

Wouldn't the logic be, the fact the text says that the wicked will never understand, and that if only very few understand, that then makes the rest the wicked, because it is only the wicked that don't understand? How can one who is not wise, still understand when it says only the wise shall understand, and that anyone who doesn't understand, they are of the wicked? But if it is not very many that are wise, thus understand, doesn't that mean the majority are of the wicked, otherwise they would understand, not not understand?

If you were to put a number on it, the fact there are billions of ppl on this planet presently, how many out of those billions of ppl do you assume would be among the wise that shall understand? A hundred? a thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A billion? Several billion?

BTW, apparently, presently we only have one wise saint that alleges to understand, meaning 5thKingdom, the fact I have yet to encounter other saints that understand all these things the exact same way he does. Most of us look at that as a red flag, that it implies private interpretation since no other saints on the planet are coming to some of these same conclusions.

Isaiah 42:18-20 tells us:......... Who is so blind as My servant, the one who has My trust? You see and hear, but do not understand.

I honestly believe that the Lord has given me understanding of the Prophetic Word. I received a vision, while in Israel.
I qualify as one who could understand, as I have never been 'educated' in a Bible College or Seminary.

What I do, is to present what the Prophets wrote is and easily read form, using ALL of the Prophesies to construct a viable, logical and Biblically accurate narrative of what God has planned for our future.
However; that story does not suit most here and I find that the average Church member simply isn't interested.

Why there is so much confusion and error, is because God wants the forthcoming Day when He takes action, to be a shock to His people and the demise of His enemies. It will be our test of faith; 1 Peter 4:12, and many will fail it.

Referring to any Christian as a 'saint', is wrong as only God can look into the heart. His true Saints will be revealed when Jesus Returns.

 

[5thKingdom]

Re: Daniel 12:10b - my Revised English Bible does say: ....none of the wicked will understand, only the wise leaders will understand.
Therefore I believe that just a few people will know what God has planned for our future.

It does not matter whether the KJV of the Revised version inserts the word "leaders" into the text
It does not matter BECAUSE those "leaders" could only be Saints and the CONTEXT of the passage
REQUIRES those Saints would be the Last Saints on earth. The Saints LIVING when the Lord Returns.


Within the CONTEXT of the passage (the "Time-of-the-End")
We can understand Dan 12:4 and 12:9-10 to teach:


The TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies would remain "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End"


BTW... the "Time of the End" is also called the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12]
This is a very specific period on earth AFTER the [Revelation] Beast has been destroyed.
Does your eschatology incorporate this "Season and Time" or "Time-of-the-End"... it should


In any case, once we discern the CONTEXT of Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10
there can be no question about WHO the "wise" (leaders) represents.
I hope you do not disagree about the context of Daniel 12.

The rest of the Christian peoples will have their eyes opened and their ears unstopped - AFTER the Lord's Day of fiery wrath:

Of course that interpretation could only be valid
IF we REJECT what Daniel 12 teaches. But then we could not have Biblical Truth.
You can only find Biblical TRUTH when you harmonize Daniel 12 into your Gospel.


And Daniel 12 is crystal clear...
NONE of the wicked will understand (nobody understands EXCEPT the Last Saints)
The "Christian peoples" consist of many unsaved "tares" (sown by Satan) and relatively few save "wheat" (sown by Jesus)
So I do not understand WHY you think "children of Satan" in the church would "understand" what ONLY the Last Saints "understand"
Clearly you are only arguing that you REJECT Daniel 12. I have to wonder why that is? Do you know?


Dan 12:10
Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and NONE of the wicked shall understand; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND. [at the "Time-of-the-End"]


Again, we cannot expect to find Biblical TRUTH about Daniel's "sealed" prophecies
Unless/Until we FIRST accept Daniel 12 as being the Word of God.


Therefore, EVERY interpretation about the END, developed BEFORE the "Time-of-the-End", MUST BE WRONG
because the interpretation was developed during a time when the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed"


In view of Daniel 12, are you prepared to abandon any old interpretation of the Fourth Kingdom/Beast?
If not you are saying you REJECT the Word of God about this matter.
It's really as simple as that

Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

Yes... when "the Lord comes to save you"
THEN your blind eyes will be opened and your deaf ears unstopped.
This is not hard...


However... let's pretend that this is an event in the "end-times".


We know every knee shall bow...
the question is WHEN?


(1) Is it during the Great Tribulation / Revelation Beast (I assume you already know they are the same?)
(2) Is it during the "Season and Time" or "Time-of-the-End" AFTER the Revelation Beast is destroyed but BEFORE the Last Trump?
(3) Or is it AFTER the Last Trump?


You see CONTEXT matters.
You cannot expect to understand the MEANING of a passage when you cannot discern the CONTEXT.


So tell me please...
WHEN does every knee bow?
Choose #1-3 above

Isaiah 29:18 On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see.

On WHAT day will the deaf hear?


Is it on the day that man is saved?


You see...
it means NOTHING to post a ton of verses without any CONTEXT.


Do you ASSUME to understand WHEN this event happens?
You did not provide any indication of that... much less any Biblical validation.


I asked you before and I will ask you again...
please do not cut-and-paste passages without comment.


Do not ASSUME I know WHAT you think the CONTEXT of that passage is.
I cannot know what you think when you paste passages without comment.

I do not see this as having any great significance. After all there have been hundreds of 'kingdoms' on earth since Adam.

First, remember the CONTEXT.
Daniel 7 PROMISES that Four (and only four) "Kingdoms/Beasts" arise on earth.
So your comment about "hundreds" of Kingdoms is OUTSIDE of the CONTEXT of Daniel 7


THAT is the "significance"... there are NOT hundreds of Beasts, there are FOUR


Secondly, we now KNOW what those Four Beasts represent.
This is NOT an understanding taught in the Church Age.
The TRUTH remained "sealed" during that time.
Daniel 12 PROVES that fact.


This is a NEW UNDERSTAND from the Last Saints
EXACTLY as Daniel 12 promises.
How cool is that?


The (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom of Saints from Adam to Noah
The (2nd) Jewish Kingdom of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
The (3rd) Christian Kingdom of the Great Commission BEFORE the Last Saint is saved
The (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom/Revelation Beast AFTER the Last Saint is "sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]


This understanding cannot be REFUTED by Scripture,
because this understanding harmonizes with ALL Scripture
And this understanding is supported by History (reality)
There is no question these Kingdoms existed in order.

What is the defining Plan of God for mankind, is the division of the past 6000 years into 3 tranches.
1/ From Adam to Abraham; exactly 2000 years

No, that is clearly incorrect.

The (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom was from Adam to Noah

The (2nd) Jewish Kingdom was from Abraham to Christ

I do not understand WHY you want to conflate the two?

3/ From Jesus; His acclamation as King, His subsequent death and Resurrection in 30 AD, until today; 1992 years later.

It is easier to call this what it was:
The Christian Kingdom of the Great Commission of the Church Age BEFORE the Last Saint is saved.

4/ Then comes the final 'Sabbath' of one thousand years, when Jesus will reign as King of the world.

But you have two (2) PROBLEMS...


(1) the notion of a literal 1000 year reign has been disputed by the Saints since the Apostles...
So it is VERY presumptuous to PRETEND it is settled doctrine. It is disputed and you know that fact.


(2) More importantly:
Your 1000 year theory was developed when the TRUTH was "closed-up" and "sealed" to All Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End"


Daniel's "sealed" prophecies represented God's Salvation Plan from Adam to the Lord's Return.
And there is NO period of a LITERAL 1000 year reign.
It does not exist in Daniel's Book.


Therefore we can know absolutely that the LITERAL 1000 year reign is a false doctrine
because it was developed when the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed"
Therefore it MUST BE WRONG.
It's that simple.


And you would already KNOW this fact... you would have already ACCEPTED this reality
If you had not REJECTED the Word of God in Daniel 12.
False doctrine results from REJECTING the Bible.


I will say this as plainly as I can:
You cannot hope to understand the TRUTH about the "Time-of-the-End"
when you REJECT the Word of God in Daniel 12... where the CONTEXT is the "Time-of-the-End"


If you continue to REJECT Daniel 12
it is impossible for you to fine TRUTH.
It's just that simple.

Where do you think the people will be taken to in the 'harpazo' of 1 Thessalonians 4:17?

I do not need to "think"... I already KNOW.


First you need to understand that 1Thess 4 is the SAME EVENT as 1 Co 15


(1) The Lord "descends from heaven with a shout"
(2) "The dead in Christ shall arise first"
(3) The Last Saints are "changed" without dying
(4) The Last Saints JOIN the dead Saints to be with the Lord forever


1Th 4:15-17
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we [Last Saints] which are alive and remain
unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep. [dead] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven
with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


1Co 15:50-53
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


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[5thKingdom]

I honestly believe that the Lord has given me understanding of the Prophetic Word. I received a vision, while in Israel.
I qualify as one who could understand, as I have never been 'educated' in a Bible College or Seminary.

Was that BEFORE the Last Saints "shall understand" the TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End" or
was that AFTER the Last Saints "shall understand"...


And WHY does your understanding include many interpretations developed
when the TRUTH remained "sealed"? Those old interpretations MUST BE WRONG
because they were developed when the TRUTH remained "sealed"


You REJECT the Word of God in Daniel 12
when you pretend OLD INTERPRETATIONS could possibly be TRUTH.


You are preaching old interpretations that MUST BE WRONG.
Therefore you MUST be preaching false doctrines.
It's as simple as that

Referring to any Christian as a 'saint', is wrong as only God can look into the heart. His true Saints will be revealed when Jesus Returns.

LOL... it is NOT a matter of God knowing the heart.
And ANY Christian means many false Christians... so you construct a STRAWMAN


There is plenty of Biblical validation for calling ANY SAVED Christian a "Saint"...
but not ANY Christian since the Christian Church consists of BOTH

(1) the saved "wheat/sheep" sown by Jesus and
(2) the unsaved "tares/goats" sown by Satan


The Bible calls True Believers "Saints" all the time...
why in the world would you not also?


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[5thKingdom]

Wouldn't the logic be, the fact the text says that the wicked will never understand, and that if only very few understand, that then makes the rest the wicked, because it is only the wicked that don't understand? How can one who is not wise, still understand when it says only the wise shall understand, and that anyone who doesn't understand, they are of the wicked? But if it is not very many that are wise, thus understand, doesn't that mean the majority are of the wicked, otherwise they would understand, not not understand?

Of course that is the plain and ONLY understanding.

There are few Saints living at the "Time-of-the-End"...
therefore the vast majority of mankind are the "wicked"
This is not hard.

If you were to put a number on it, the fact there are billions of ppl on this planet presently, how many out of those billions of ppl do you assume would be among the wise that shall understand? A hundred? a thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A billion? Several billion?

How about 50 or 20 or 10?

I understand this passage is not easily understood,
but the MEANING of the passage is there are very few Saints left at the End.
How many can a child WRITE THEM?


Isa 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.

BTW, apparently, presently we only have one wise saint that alleges to understand, meaning 5thKingdom,

The PROBLEM is you cannot REFUTE anything that Saint preaches.
That is the CONTEXT of having Last Saint preaching what was "sealed".


It's NEW INFORMATION which you naturally resist...
But it's the Biblical TRUTH the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints "shall understand".


Do you REJECT Daniel 12 as the Word of God...
or just that I am part of the Last Saints?


Which do you REJECT?
And if it's just me... then REFUTE something I said
or remain under my spiritual "dominion"


Yes, the BIBLE PROMISES the Last Saints receive "dominion" over the Church at the "Time-of-the-End"
you would already KNOW this Biblical fact if you really were a "Bible expert"...
you THINK you understand MUCH more than you actually do.
Do you want me to give you chapter/verse?

the fact I have yet to encounter other saints that understand all these things the exact same way he does.

LOL... the Biblical TRUTH is not important...
only that we find OTHER people preaching the same.
I hope you understand how ridiculous you are being now.
I doubt you can.

Most of us look at that as a red flag,

Here is a "red flag" for you...


The doctrine of a LITERAL 1000 day reign is an OLD INTERPRETATION
Which MUST BE WRONG because it was developed during a time when the TRUTH
remained "closed-up" and "sealed" to all Saints until the Last Saint "shall understand"
(and preach) that TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End"


You want to PRETEND you do not REJECT Daniel 12 as the Word of God
while you insist on preaching what MUST BE WRONG...
that is how confused you remain.


Daniel 12 destroys your LITERAL 1000 year doctrine.
No doubt about that... the only question is will you submit to Scripture
or will you PROTECT your pet doctrines? THAT is the only question now.

that it implies private interpretation since no other saints on the planet are coming to some of these same conclusions.

Oh... the measure of "no other saints" is someone YOU have encountered?
Even YOU must admit that is ridiculous...
much less Biblical


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[keras]

Daniel 12:9-10 …the Words are to be kept secret until the time of the end… Therefore all commentaries, teachings, doctrines, books, etc, up until now have some degree of error. God does not want many to know His plans.

Then:…only the wise leaders will understand. It seems that ‘wise’ is used here in the sense of a person willing to put aside all man’s ideas, theories and non-Biblical teachings. There can be some difficulty with the prophesies as to the right meaning of allegories and metaphors and also translators bias can be a problem. Logic and common sense, along with a careful study of all the Prophetic Word, must be the way to understand correctly.

If a literal fulfilment is possible, we should take the prophesies literally and then it is just a matter of getting the sequence correct. The Seals, Trumpets and Bowls of Revelation are undoubtedly a sequence of events, as the Scroll is opened, unrolled and read. It is patently obvious that the first five Seals have been opened, John saw a flashback, a fulfilment of Jesus opening them, at His Ascension. All the martyred saints from then until Jesus Returns, still await their vindication. Revelation 6:9-11

 

[5thKingdom]

Daniel 12:9-10 …the Words are to be kept secret until the time of the end… Therefore all commentaries, teachings, doctrines, books, etc, up until now have some degree of error. God does not want many to know His plans.

First.. the CONTEXT of Daniel 12 is about the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies.

Why do you pretend otherwise?

Do you ACCEPT or REJECT Daniel 12 as the Word of God

If you accept it you agree that all old interpretations about Daniel's prophecies MUST BE WRONG

If you REJECT Daniel 12 as the Word of God then you can CONTINUE to preach old interpretations
that were developed when the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed" to all the Saints...
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End"

This is not hard

Then:…only the wise leaders will understand. It seems that ‘wise’ is used here in the sense of a person willing to put aside all man’s ideas, theories and non-Biblical teachings.

LOL... that is hilarious.
the CONTEXT of Daniel 12 is the Last Saints living on earth at the "Time-of-the-End"
The Saints LIVING on earth when the Lord Returns

The "wise" could ONLY represent the Last Saints
why pretend otherwise?


And again,
I do NOT appreciate how you intentionally ignored 90% of my comments
to cherry-pick a few things to respond.

Your "fruit" is rotten
since you CONTINUE to do this

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[keras]

First you need to understand that 1Thess 4 is the SAME EVENT as 1 Co 15

This is blatant error. I understand clearly that they are NOT the same event.

The Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 13:50-56, refers to what will happen at the Great white Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Proved by how it is only then that: Death will be no more.

But you are an AMill, a denier of the thousand year reign of Jesus, so you think Eternity comes when Jesus Returns. 'This means you can play fast and loose with the whole raft of Bible Prophecy, to suit what you want God to do.
The fact of the Millennium reign of King Jesus, is in Revelation 20 - SIX times! Also alluded to in Hosea 6:2, and elsewhere as a time of peace and prosperity.
It is NOT a new theory.

You are preaching old interpretations that MUST BE WRONG.
Therefore you MUST be preaching false doctrines.

What I promote and teach, is the Prophetic Word as Written. I also use known historical and scientific facts.
These facts go back to Adam, to present them is not and cannot be false. Only to those with another agenda, do they appear wrong, as they contradict their false beliefs.

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
First you need to understand that 1Thess 4 is the SAME EVENT as 1 Co 15

This is blatant error. I understand clearly that they are NOT the same event.

No, it is the TRUTH

The Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 13:50-56, refers to what will happen at the Great white Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Proved by how it is only then that: Death will be no more.

The CONTEXT of BOTH passages is the Last Saints being "changed" at the Lord's Return and resurrection.
your OLD INTERPRETATIONS are just wrong... as so many Saints have already declared.

But you are an AMill, a denier of the thousand year reign of Jesus, so you think Eternity comes when Jesus Returns.

WHAT is the matter with you?


I already told you the LITERAL 1000 year period is not found in Daniel's History of Mankind.


And you already know (although you might be in denial) that any OLD INTERPRETATIONS about the "Time-of-the-End"
MUST BE WRONG because they were developed when the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed".


You cannot hope to find Biblical Truth about the History of Man
when you REJECT the Word of God in Daniel 12


You sir are are REJECTER of the Word of God...
why would anyone believe any of your doctrine?

'This means you can play fast and loose with the whole raft of Bible Prophecy, to suit what you want God to do.

What PART of the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) the TRUTH that was "sealed"
at the "Time-of-the-End" did you NOT UNDERSTAND?


You are talking nonsense pretending the "understanding" of the Last Saints
is "fast and loose"


That is nonsense because you KNOW you REJECT Daniel 12 as the Word of God


But... nobody that REJECTS Daniel 12 could POSSIBLY find Biblical Truth about the History of Man..
you are embarrassing yourself now

The fact of the Millennium reign of King Jesus, is in Revelation 20 - SIX times! Also alluded to in Hosea 6:2, and elsewhere as a time of peace and prosperity.
It is NOT a new theory.

Sigh...

That is the POINT

your interpretation was developed when the TRUTH remained "sealed"
so your interpretation MUST BE WRONG

This does not need explanation again-and-again-and-again.

What I promote and teach, is the Prophetic Word as Written.

No sir...
you preach OLD INTERPRETATIONS developed while the TRUTH remained "sealed"
You cannot even argue that point because it's so clear.


Why in the world are you pretending otherwise.
You are only pretending to yourself


Daniel 12 does not need your "acceptance" to be Biblical Truth
You make a JOKE of yourself pretending otherwise.

I also use known historical and scientific facts.

How about your DEAL with Daniel 12...
can you do that (I do not think so)


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[keras]

First.. the CONTEXT of Daniel 12 is about the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies.

I believe Daniel 12:10b applies to all; the Bible Prophesies.

If you accept it you agree that all old interpretations about Daniel's prophecies MUST BE WRONG

This borders on stupidity. The Prophets are right, the Commentators and expositors. like yourself; are wrong.

The "wise" could ONLY represent the Last Saints

Right, and we Christians today are of the generation who saw the fig tree bud, Matthew 24:32-33, so we will see it all. ALL that is: the Prophesied end time events , culminating with the glorious return of Jesus.
I am one of them, actually born before 1948, but healthy and anticipating the fulfilment of God's Promises to His people.

Replying to your lengthy screeds, is not my idea of the best use of my time. You obviously have no intention of changing any of your fav beliefs. '
Rude comments put a cap on it.
If you wish to continue discussion,
1/ keep your posts short
2/ Prove your beliefs with scripture
3/ refrain from abusing those who dispute you teachings.

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
First.. the CONTEXT of Daniel 12 is about the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies.

I believe Daniel 12:10b applies to all; the Bible Prophesies.

(1) First, Daniel 12: 4 and 12:8-10 say the SAME THING so there is no (Biblical) reason for you to specify 12:10b...
you do so only to REJECT the other verses... because you REJECT them as the Word of God,
or, at least you intentionally ignore them in order to protect you pet interpretations.
This is not the "fruit" of a Saint... that is for sure.


(2) Secondly, the CONTEXT of Daniel 12 is NOT on all Bible prophecies...
and there is NO REASON for you to think that because the CONTEXT is only on Daniel's prophecies related to
the History of Man.


(3) Thirdly, you do not REALLY believe that at all because you continue to preach old interpretations
about the "Time-of-the-End" when you already KNOW those interpretations MUST BE WRONG
because they were developed when the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed"


You have demonstrated that you REJECT the Word of God in Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10
So your comments ONLY demonstrate a lack of honesty because you refuse to abandon
your (old) interpretations that MUST BE WRONG. Let's be honest here.


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, EVEN TO THE TIME-OF-THE-END;
many [many WHO.. many of the Last Saints LIVING at the "Time-of-the-End"] shall run to and fro,
and knowledge [of the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies] SHALL BE INCREASED [to those Last Saints].



(4) Finally, you can PRETEND that the Word of God in Daniel 12 is LIMITED to 12:10b...
but you are just pretending. The CONTEXT of 12:10b is also found in 12:4.
You reject the Word of God in multiple verses - and why?
To protect interpretations that MUST BE WRONG
Including a literal 1000 year reign.




5thKingdom said:
If you accept it you agree that all old interpretations about Daniel's prophecies MUST BE WRONG

This borders on stupidity. The Prophets are right, the Commentators and expositors. like yourself; are wrong.

You think the PROMISE of Daniel 12 "borders on stupidity"?
That is hilarious.


You are simply REJECTING what Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10 teaches.
This is not hard... the Scripture is VERY CLEAR. The TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies
(about the History of Man) would remain "closed-up" and "sealed" until the "Time-of-the-End"


You can pretend what is the clear teaching of the Word of God "borders on stupidity"
but you are only pretending in order to protect false doctrines you REFUSE to abandon
AFTER learning those (old) interpretations MUST BE WRONG because they were developed
when the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed'.
Again you are not acting honestly.


BTW... your argument that "The Prophets are right" is a STRAWMAN argument
because we are NOT talking about "The Prophets" (and you know that) we are talking
about Daniel's prophecies and ONLY Daniel's prophecies. Why in the world would you ever
pretend otherwise... the answer is to REJECT what Daniel 12 teaches in clear terms.
Again you are not acting honestly.


Again... for you to argue "The Prophets are right" is ridiculous when you KNOW
we are not talking about "The Prophets" (that is just you pretending).
Instead we are ONLY talking of Daniel's prophecies.
And you already know this Biblical fact.
So again you pretend.



5thKingdom said:
The "wise" could ONLY represent the Last Saints

Right, and we Christians today are of the generation who saw the fig tree bud, Matthew 24:32-33, so we will see it all. ALL that is: the Prophesied end time events , culminating with the glorious return of Jesus.

That is true... but it DEFLECTS from the point.
The Saints mentioned in Daniel 12 are SPECIFIC Saints.
They are the Saints LIVING at the "Time-of-the-End".
They are the Saints that "shall understand" what was "sealed".


You can pretend the people in Daniel 12 are NOT the Last Saints...
but you are just pretending and you already KNOW that... as demonstrated
by the rest of your comment. LOL


You DISMISS my comment about the Last Saints (by saying "right...")
and then you actually SUPPORT this reality with theories about the fig tree...
LOL you are hilarious... you want to DENY out of one side of your mouth and then
you want to CONFIRM out of the other side of your mouth.


Of course the PATTERN of your comments is obvious.
You are not interested in the TRUTH... you do not care WHAT the Word of God teaches.
You have an agenda that includes DENYING what the Bible clearly teaches (while CONFIRMING the fig tree)
Your actions CLEARLY demonstrate you are not being honest - you contradict yourself.
That is very clear.

Replying to your lengthy screeds, is not my idea of the best use of my time. You obviously have no intention of changing any of your fav beliefs. '

Then do not PRETEND we are having a "conversation" or a "discussion" because we are NOT.
You are just preaching your pet doctrines and ignoring my comments...
that is neither a "conversation" or a "discussion"
That is clear.

If you wish to continue discussion,

But WHY in the world do you pretend this is a "discussion"... clearly it is not.
You like to pretend. I do not pretend.

2/ Prove your beliefs with scripture

I have given SCRIPTURE to support all my doctrine.
Why do you pretend otherwise? Because you pretend all the time.


You have not REFUTED any of my doctrines from Scripture... you just announce what you believe.
And when you HAVE offered some Scripture I have shown that you do not even understand the CONTEXT of your own "proof texts"...
LOL


Then you respond by INTENTIONALLY IGNORING my comments - so you do not have to deal with the Truth.
THAT is why you cannot have a "conversation" or a "discussion"... because you are less than honest in you actions.
This is not hard

3/ refrain from abusing those who dispute you teachings.

First, I have not "abused" anyone.
Your actions have been FAR more abusive...
pretending what you know is not true and ignoring anything
that contradicts your opinion. It is YOU, not me, that has been "abusive" in this "discussion"


Secondly, you only pretend (again) that the issue is someone disputes my doctrine.
My doctrine is not the issue at all. The issue is REJECTING what the Bible clearly teaches.
THAT is the issue and you cannot change it by pretending again.


Sir, a child or a non-believer could READ Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10
and they could easily understand WHAT the Word of God teaches there.
The Word of God is VERY CLEAR in those verses... even a non-believer can understand.


And yet YOU must pretend otherwise. You pretend SO MUCH.
Do not think that pretending establishes Truth.
It does not - it only exposes YOU.
Your "fruit" is rotten.


And yet YOU (with all your training and visions from God)
PRETEND the Word of God is NOT clear... you PRETEND it includes "all prophets"
and you PRETEND old interpretations could still be valid when they were developed in a time
when the Bible PROMISES the TRUTH remained "closed-up" and "sealed"


As to continuing this "discussion"
LOL, we have NEVER had a "discussion" because you REFUSE to do so.
And you have NEVER been honest in your comments - instead you just pretend and ignore.
You pretend what is clear is complicated and you ignore (rather REJECT) the clear Word of God...
and WHY? Because the Word of God contradicts some pet doctrines and you would rather PROTECT
your pet doctrines instead of submitting to what the Word of God clearly teaches.


So... you can continue to REJECT the clear teaching of the Word of God
and you can continue to PRETEND that you do NOT already KNOW your old interpretations
MUST BE WRONG because they were developed when the Bible PROMISES the TRUTH remained "sealed"


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: [Daniel did NOT understand his own prophecies... but YOU think you understand... LOL]
then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed
TILL THE TIME-OF-THE-END: Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and NONE of the wicked shall understand [No, not one]; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND [the Truth].


You can continue to pretend (to yourself) while I will continue to preach what the Last Saints "shall understand".
May God have mercy on your soul.


Jim

 

[DavidPT]

BTW... the "Time of the End" is also called the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12]
This is a very specific period on earth AFTER the [Revelation] Beast has been destroyed.
Does your eschatology incorporate this "Season and Time" or "Time-of-the-End"... it should

It is real simple the fact Daniel 7:11 is involving what Revelation 19:20 is involving, and that Daniel 7:12 is meaning after what Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20 are involving, and that Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20 can't get fulfilled unless Christ has bodily returned first. It means this, since it is preposterous that after Christ has bodily returned, that there then can be a season and a time except there are no extra days to fulfill this.. Of course there is, the thousand years and satan's little season explain this. Daniel 7:12 not only involves a season, it also involves a time. That sounds like 2 time periods to me rather than one. satan's little season is only one time period not 2 time periods. Why are you not factoring that in, that is involves a season and a time, rather than just a season?

The way you try and get around any of this, Daniel 7:12 is meaning the time of the end and that it is meaning satan's little season. Except every Amil I have encountered over the years, not one of them agrees with you about any of this. No Amil(not meaning any Preterist Amils, meaning Amils that agree Revelation 19 involves the 2nd coming) I have encountered think Revelation 19:20 can be fulfilled without Christ having returned first. If you are correct about this, why don't you have any support from other Amils?

Obviously, the time of the end happens in this age prior to the 2nd coming. Obviously, Daniel 7:12 involves satan's little season. Obviously, Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20 involve the 2nd coming of Christ in the end of this age, which then means, since Daniel 7:12 involves satan's little season, and that Daniel 7:12 is meaning after Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20, and that Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20 involve the 2nd coming of Christ in the end of this age, satan's little season is then after the 2nd coming, not prior to it. Which then means the same is true of the thousand years since it has to precede satan's little season.

You insist in some of your posts that it is others doing the conflating of things, when you are the one conflating things here. You are conflating the time of the end with a season and time and then calling that satan's little season. Except only a season and a time involves satan's little season, the time of the end doesn't. That proven by the fact that Revelation 19:20 cannot get fulfilled unless Christ has bodily returned first, and that Daniel 7:12 is meaning after Christ has bodily returned.

Here's an idea. Prove your interpretation involving this is not a private interpretation by submitting the names of some Amils who agree with you that Revelation 19:20 can get fulfilled without Christ having to bodily return first. And that agree with you that Daniel 7:12 is meaning after Revelation 19:20 is fulfilled. Tribsigns doesn't count though, in the event he is an Amil you name, the fact both of you appear to know one another and that both of you appear to have a connection with mountainretreat and this Tony person. I know all about mountainretreat. I have been knowing about that site for many years now.

BTW, there are only a cpl of ways I can be wrong above. 1) Daniel 7:12 is not meaning after Revelation 19:20 is fulfilled. 2) Revelation 19:20 does not involve the 2nd coming of Christ in the end of this age, but that Daniel 7:12 follows it.

The only way you can be right about these things, Daniel 7:12 is meaning after Revelation 19:20, but that Revelation 19:20 does not involve the 2nd coming of Christ in the end of this age. Good luck finding support from other Amils, though.

 

[keras]

You can continue to pretend (to yourself) while I will continue to preach what the Last Saints "shall understand".

Basically; from your belief that no one could understand God's Plans, then even the Bible Prophets are wrong. You reject what they wrote, for example: the plain statements of the thousand year reign of Jesus after He Returns.

You want people to believe the end times fables of Jim. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Not buying it and you MUST BE WRONG, because those who reject the wild and wonderful theories like AMill and the whisked away 'rapture', can read the plain Words of the Prophets and understand God's plans for the end times.

 

[5thKingdom]

Basically; from your belief that no one could understand God's Plans, then even the Bible Prophets are wrong.

This is so sad.


(1) First, it is not MY teaching that no one could understand God's Plans until the Last Saints "shall understand"
at the "Time-of-the-End"... that is what SCRIPTURE SAYS.


You pretend to negate SCRIPTURE by pretending it is just MY OPINION...
but that is just you pretending so you can REJECT the Word of God.


(2) Secondly... even the Bible prophets did NOT understand what was "closed-up" and "sealed" to the "Time-of-the-End"
that is exactly what SCRIPTURE SAYS.. and that is what history (reality) has shown.


You are such a pretender... because you made that statement KNOWING that EVEN DANIEL did "not understand"
his OWN prophecies - yet you want to pretend OTHER prophets understood what was "closed-up" and "sealed"
until the "Time-of-the-End"


Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?


Listen buddy...
I could not care less what you believe.
I could not care less that you REJECT what Daniel 12 teaches.


I already said this "conversation" (which was NEVER a "conversation") is OVER...
why do you continue to pretend to me?
Pretend to yourself.


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