Futurist Only Daniel 12 Timeline

[Jeffwhosoever]

Daniel 2,7,9,12 and Revelation

 

[vinsight4u]

How do you know that the order is not the order revealed to John? Where in Scripture does it say that the order is not what John presented?

The last chapters are because John ate the little open book in chapter 10.
He was told not to seal the sayings of that book.
This means he was not to jumble the visions out of order.

Chapters 16-22 are in their proper order.
Revelation 18:1 - after these -
shows a new vision begins - starts with - And.
This shows it was shown next

John has left us clues in the overall Book of Revelation to know how the
events will actually unfold.

saw four beasts
the four beasts

saw four and twenty elders
John always introduces new subjects and characters.

We know that a time of sealing took place in Revelation 7. Who did it?
The four angels had to keep standing and holding the winds.
Another set of angels showed up from the east. Then soon the set of
four angels can hurt things. This way to hurt had to be given to them
by the set of angels that showed up from the east and seals people.

four angels
the four angels
were - given - as in delivered ways to hurt - the earth, sea - trees
/as in here are delivered the seven trumpet plagues
It will be the set of four angels that causes them to begin.
first trumpet - harm 1/3 trees

John will go through the various trumpets as to this happened and that, and
we are know that it is the set of four angels starting each trumpet time.
a great mountain burning with fire
is thrown down
a third of the sun was struck

 

[Douggg]

To Douggg:

Aww shucks. You are so good with graphics

I bet you could make a good timeline that shows the 1,260 days and the 1,335 days

I'm equally confused. I was wondering if the partition in Daniel 12 is supportive of a mid trib or pre-wrath rapture which is the purpose of this thread to figure out.

I do have a time line with the 1260 days, the 1290 days and the 1335 days on it.

Here it is. The critical path of events (a term used in engineering when planning a project), the red line path, is in stair step form instead of a horizontal straight line in order to get the chart to display in a post (or printed out on a normal 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of printer paper) and still be of a size to be able to read it.

Feel free to print it out, share it, or use it as you want.

Just follow the red line down through the 7 years.

The 1260 days of the two witnesses are shown near the bottom. And the 1290 days making up the tribulation of those days is near the bottom right. And the 1335 days, in the same vicinity on the chart.

 

[DavidPT]

Yes, the little horn is the ac. He will speak great things as shown from Daniel 7 and Revelation 13.

He is not the beast out of the sea that rises with a mouth and gets his deadly wound healed.
This beast is still on the earth for Armageddon.

The little horn only can make war for 42 months and goes down at the end of Daniel 11.
shall come to his end
none - help him

Does this mean you believe there is a little horn, a beast, and a false prophet, rather than the little horn is one of those two? In Revelation 19 it says this about the beast and false prophet.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


It looks like to me they came to their end and no one could help them. IOW, the beast's armies were useless since they were unable to help the beast overtake Jesus and His armies. Sounds like Daniel 8 as well, the following.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. It sure looks like to me that that is what is taking place in Revelation 19:19-20.

 

[vinsight4u]

I'm finding the "Day of the Lord" in many books from the Old Testament prophets and they all sound like the same thing Jesus described before his coming in glory in Matthew 24-25, Luke and Mark in what is called the "Olivet Discourse" because it is a worldwide doom, not something for just Israel that I keep reading about. I even found one of those references in the Old testament mentions that GAZA will be abandoned, which is quite interesting given Hamas is firing rockets into Israel and Israel just finished a mini-war with Gaza.

There are several times called - day of the Lord. There will be one upon Israel - where she
will be as a woman in travail, then one upon Babylon - where that location will be as a woman
in travail. Only the one upon Israel is also called the day of Christ. This is when He will
return in glory and the wicked in the 6th seal will hide in rocks as Isaiah 2 tells the scenes
to unfold. The great tribulation will be over against Israel and the church.
We will be at the end of Daniel 11.
Paul told us about the restrainer and so did Daniel. Daniel 10 ends showing that the vision
he has seen for the latter days is held by Michael.
Daniel 12 shows that Michael stands up and the time such as never was begins.
This in linked back to at that time - which actually happens in Daniel 11 when
the king gains many ships as returns to Israel as a whirlwind, taking countries
as he goes.


Matthew 24 is about several sections of time. Matthew 25 is about the end of the world scenes.

Matthew 24:35 is where it makes a huge leap in time!
"Heaven and earth shall pass away...."
Matthew 24:36
"....that day..."
Matthew 25 continues this same time as it begins with -
"Then..."

The scenes are set when the new earth is soon to come.
The wicked are going to the lake of fire.

Matthew 25:46
"...everlasting punishment...."

The foolish virgins are the same as the goats and the unfaithful servants type
of people. The wise virgins are those still alive at the time of the end of this
world - and they gain eternal life.

Jesus Christ told some people that He was leaving -but they can't go where
He was going. He told the disciples that they would follow Him later and they
knew the way. He was going to His Father's house where there are many
mansions and He will come again to take the saints there.
The OT shows that the wicked die without hope. There will be no mercy.
They die in their sins-in their iniquity.

John 7:34

 

[vinsight4u]

Thread to discuss the timeline specifically of Daniel 12 starting with this image:

'Daniel 12

Is this your own designed timeline?

I'm not sure why the time of trouble part is seeming to start as in - Today.
The time of trouble is not until after the wars and rumors of wars part has ended.
Jesus Christ even said as to those events - be ye not troubled -

the end is not nigh
not yet

So, these people are not part of the great tribulation as to their generation. That generation
will pass.

Later, we hear of a world war - nation against nation.
the beginning of sorrows - troubles
It is the famines and pestilences from this section of time that will lead to the fall of
the little horn.

The rapture should be placed at the end of the great tribulation.

This generation - the sees the signs generation - shall not pass till all be fulfilled.

Jesus Christ told the people of His day - they would see no signs from heaven.
He said that they would only see the sign of Jonas.

But the end-time generation will see signs in the sun, moon, stars, distress of nations,
the sea and the waves roaring - men failing -for fear.
fear - trouble

 

[tranquil]

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DANIEL 12, MATTHEW 24 & REVELATION 11-12 | HIS WORD HEALS!

Dan 12
1“At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
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Matt 24
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.​

Dan 12
1“At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
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Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened,and the moon will not give its light;the stars will fall from the sky,and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ 30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
​

There is no 'whisked away' 'rapture'. The people who flee from the abomination are the ones who are 'gathered'.

Dan 12
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished.
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Matt 24
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak. 19 How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.​

The 'time, times, half a time' of Dan 12:7 is the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses in the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe. The 2 witnesses are new Zerubabbel & new Joshua (same name as 'Yeshua'/ aka 'Jesus'). They witness for 1260 days starting on 24 Kislev - see Haggai 2:15-23 then Zech 2- 4. That 24 Kislev is the 'winter/ Sabbath/ then 'great tribulation'.

It is 'shortened for the elect' from 1260 days to 1150 days (Dan 8:13-14's 2300 'evenings & mornings').

Dan 12
11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.
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Dan 8
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” 14And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”​

Dan 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

• The abomination of desolation arrives shortly before the Trumpets begin. (Luke 21:20)
  
• Trumpets 1-5. 'People of the prince to come destroy the city' (see the highlighted green above)
• The 5th Trumpet lasts for 5 months (147 days) (Revelation 9:5) (the 'locusts' are the 'people of the prince to come')
• 6th Trumpet, starts on 24 Kislev. 1260 days of the 2 witnesses. 1150 days for the elect. 'People of the prince to come are destroying the sanctuary'.

147 + 1143 = 1290 days.
1143 days + 7 days to 'cleanse the altar' (Ezekiel 43:26-27) = 1150 days.

imo, this is expressed in a modern context as:

Trumpets 1-5
July 4, 2021 (breaking the US Decl of Independence covenant in the middle of 70 '7's. 490/2 =245. July 4, 1776 + 245 = July 4, 2021. July 4, 2021 is 24 Tammuz, 5781 on the Hebrew calendar.

5 months later is 24 Kislev, 5782 (dusk Nov 27, 2021). Starts the 6th Trumpet.
Add 1260 days (Revelation 11:3) + 3.5 days to lie dead (Revelation 11:9-11)= May 14, 2025, the 77th anniversary of Israel/ Jerusalem's desolations. Daniel 9:2 refers to the 70th anniversary of Jerusalem's desolations. Daniel 9:27's 7 years means the 70th to 77th year of Israel.

Add 1150 days to 24 Kislev, 5782 to get to Jan 20, 2025, the US Presidential Inauguration Day.

 

[vinsight4u]

Adding another support verse as to the rapture is after the great tribulation.

In Revelation, the dragon is cast down out of heaven to chase those he was accusing
while in heaven.

"...is cast down which accused them before our God day and night."


Revelation 12:10
and
Revelation 12:17

This dragon/devil goes after those that have the testimony of Jesus Christ. - the church

Revelation 1:9 KJV
"...in the isle of Patmos...for the testimony of Jesus Christ."

and Revelation 11:18-19 shows reward time is after the 7th trumpet sounds.
Luke 14:14 shows reward time is when the resurrection of the just occurs.

and
2 John tells us to receive a full reward.

2 John 1:8

1 Peter 5:4
"And when the chief Shepherd shall appear...receive a crown..."

Daniel 12 shows how Daniel went to rest till the last day of the 1290 days.

1 Corinthians 15 shows that Jesus Christ will bring the sleeping saints with
Him.

1 Corinthians 15:34
2 Corinthians 5:4 shows that we shall be clothed upon.

Revelation 19:8 KJV
"And to her was granted that she should be arrayed...the
righteousness of saints."

 

[vinsight4u]

Does this mean you believe there is a little horn, a beast, and a false prophet, rather than the little horn is one of those two? In Revelation 19 it says this about the beast and false prophet.

yes, the little horn is not the beast out of the sea but the mouth that speaks great things

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


It looks like to me they came to their end and no one could help them. IOW, the beast's armies were useless since they were unable to help the beast overtake Jesus and His armies. Sounds like Daniel 8 as well, the following.

The beast out the sea comes to his end at the end of 1335 days, same for the false prophet.
The little horn comes to his end at the end of the 1290 days, which is the last verse in
Daniel 11.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. It sure looks like to me that that is what is taking place in Revelation 19:19-20.

The wicked king at the end of Daniel 11 comes to his end when God sees that the power
of His people is gone. He first scatters the holy people.
-as told in Daniel 12 and Deuteronomy 32:36

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Is this your own designed timeline?

I'm not sure why the time of trouble part is seeming to start as in - Today.
The time of trouble is not until after the wars and rumors of wars part has ended.
Jesus Christ even said as to those events - be ye not troubled -

the end is not nigh
not yet

So, these people are not part of the great tribulation as to their generation. That generation
will pass.

Later, we hear of a world war - nation against nation.
the beginning of sorrows - troubles
It is the famines and pestilences from this section of time that will lead to the fall of
the little horn.

The rapture should be placed at the end of the great tribulation.

This generation - the sees the signs generation - shall not pass till all be fulfilled.

Jesus Christ told the people of His day - they would see no signs from heaven.
He said that they would only see the sign of Jonas.

But the end-time generation will see signs in the sun, moon, stars, distress of nations,
the sea and the waves roaring - men failing -for fear.
fear - trouble

The source for the OP graphic was given at the bottom, so no it is not mine but belongs to a church, the Baptist church of Grapevine, Texas near Dallas.
I merely used it to start the discussion.