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[anyathesword]

You don't pay too much attention to your own posts, why should I?

Once again, you said that alma always meant virgin. I showed you that that was not so. But there is a word that always means virgin and the writer of Isaiah did not use it.

Yes, an alma may be a virgin, but then she may not be. Why didn't the writer of Isaiah use the word that he used five other times in the same book?

I already posted the answer twice. Why don't you read the answer and copy it and paste it here. It is one sentence and in red.

 

[anyathesword]

Wrong, the Tyre prophesy clearly states that Nebuchadnezzar will destroy Tyre so that is will never be found again. He failed. Tyre is still exactly where it always was.

A simple map debunks the Tyre prophecy.

Seriously Christians are supposed to be honest. Are you trying to claim that Tyre cannot be found on a map?

No it doesn't. Read the passage carefully.

Though the original city had been "made desolate" by Nebuchadnezzar as predicted by Ezekiel, the balance of the prophecy had not been fulfilled. Ezekiel (Ch. 26) had declared:

"They shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise; and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses; and they shall lay thy stones, thy timber, and thy dust in the midst of the water ... I (God) will make thee like the top of a rock; thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more ... I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee" (vv. 12, 14,19).

None of this was accomplished by Nebuchadnezzar, though he destroyed the original city. The prophecy spoke of an unnamed power as "they shall do it." History reveals that this was Alexander the Great and his Grecian warriors.
The Amazing Witness of Fulfilling Bible Prophecy



The pronoun changes from singular (he) to plural (they). Do you see that?
It means that other armies willl finally put it in ruins. Such as Alexander the Great.

If Tyre didn't exist today, then why are there fish nets spread on the ruins of Tyre? Tyre is in ruins today and no one is building on the ruins.

This prophecy is fulfilled!! You really need to stop trying so hard to find error in the Bible. It is innerant.

 

[anyathesword]

Wrong, the Tyre prophesy clearly states that Nebuchadnezzar will destroy Tyre so that is will never be found again. He failed. Tyre is still exactly where it always was.

A simple map debunks the Tyre prophecy.

Seriously Christians are supposed to be honest. Are you trying to claim that Tyre cannot be found on a map?

Of course its on the map..they are honest with the discoveries and studies they do of ancient texts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No it doesn't. Read the passage carefully.

Though the original city had been "made desolate" by Nebuchadnezzar as predicted by Ezekiel, the balance of the prophecy had not been fulfilled. Ezekiel (Ch. 26) had declared:

"They shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise; and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses; and they shall lay thy stones, thy timber, and thy dust in the midst of the water ... I (God) will make thee like the top of a rock; thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more ... I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee" (vv. 12, 14,19).

None of this was accomplished by Nebuchadnezzar, though he destroyed the original city. The prophecy spoke of an unnamed power as "they shall do it." History reveals that this was Alexander the Great and his Grecian warriors.
The Amazing Witness of Fulfilling Bible Prophecy



The pronoun changes from singular (he) to plural (they). Do you see that?
It means that other armies willl finally put it in ruins. Such as Alexander the Great.

If Tyre didn't exist today, then why are there fish nets spread on the ruins of Tyre? Tyre is in ruins today and no one is building on the ruins.

This prophecy is fulfilled!! You really need to stop trying so hard to find error in the Bible. It is innerant.

No part of the prophecy was fulfilled.

Nebby never even entered into the city.

Tyre is not in ruins today. There are ruins on part of Tyre, that does not mean the whole place is in ruins. By your standards Rome is in ruins.

And no, Alex was not part of the prophecy. That is a hopelessly lame claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course its on the map..they are honest with the discoveries and studies they do of ancient texts.

You should at the very least read the prophecy that you are trying to defend. Ezekiel 26: 21:

"I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD."

Here it is:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/T...2!3m1!1s0x151e7d902f915d95:0xcf0e3fc6fb997408

 

[Atheos canadensis]

This prophecy is fulfilled!! You really need to stop trying so hard to find error in the Bible. It is innerant.

Not when it talks about a global Flood; that never happened.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I agree. That is why I do not associate Christianity with the vile acts of nommies in history. Nominal believers who believe in name only. I guess the bible nailed it when it labeled false religion harlots.

OK. Guess who died out?

Marx never expected to live long enough to see religion die out.

I don't mind that you don't fault the religion itself for the violence, people would have likely found another excuse to kill each other, but the church organization did encourage the violence and fan the flames.

 

[RealityCheck]

The pronoun changes from singular (he) to plural (they). Do you see that?
It means that other armies willl finally put it in ruins. Such as Alexander the Great.

Really. So why doesn't it explicitly say that other armies will do so? Why isn't Alexander specifically mentioned?

Prophecies have to be specific, otherwise they're not prophecies.

If Tyre didn't exist today, then why are there fish nets spread on the ruins of Tyre? Tyre is in ruins today and no one is building on the ruins.

THat's just it, Tyre exists today. The current city is built exactly where Tyre of old was built. The fact that some parts of the ruins are in water now doesn't mean Tyre was never rebuilt.

This prophecy is fulfilled!! You really need to stop trying so hard to find error in the Bible. It is innerant.

No it isn't, and you need to stop trying to hard to make the vague predictions of the Bible that have failed into something that sounds true with a lot of contorted logic, word redefinitions, and reading into words more than they say (eg, thinking that "they" means the prophecy actually predicted Alexander would sack Tyre as well).

This is why non-believers remain non-believers. You make it sound like you have to set aside logic, reason, and evidence in order to believe.

 

[biggles53]

How many times do I need to tell you that the Bible and it's stories are not mine?

Why don't you let me know which Jews disagree with their Passovers and language meanings.

I already have.....go back and read the relevant post. Or better still, do as I did and conduct some research for yourself...it's not hard to find...

IT IS AND CAN BE translated as a Virgin.

Because it can be used that way does not mean that it is always used that way...! Not all virgins are young women and not all young women are virgins.....'almah' simply means a young woman of marriageable age...it does not come with a guarantee that she won't be 'used goods'.....

Please give me the Jews that disagree with the Exodus. You will need to give me evidence of ALMOST ALL OF THEM!

Don't be lazy....do as I did and search.............failing that, go back to the post where I referenced the most well-known of them....

Bible stories are not fantasy. Stop labeling as such.

Yes they are....in the same vein as the Greek myths, Lord of the Rings and Grimms Fairy Tales......

 

[biggles53]

What the heck I'm supposed to know what you are saying with your bizarre phrases?

Then you don't know this 'perfect word' of yours very well, do you...?

You've never read the story about Jacob...? In it, he claims that coloured goats are produced from parents that are made to stare at striped sticks while they are engaged in sexual intercourse....

Now...I'm sure you can give us an excellent reason as to how that peculiar breeding technique works...?

 

[anyathesword]

No part of the prophecy was fulfilled.

Nebby never even entered into the city.

Tyre is not in ruins today. There are ruins on part of Tyre, that does not mean the whole place is in ruins. By your standards Rome is in ruins.

And no, Alex was not part of the prophecy. That is a hopelessly lame claim.

Really? NO PART OF THE PROPHECY was fulfilled. You really think that? After looking at the history of Tyre you really don't believe that? Simple, evident, easy prophecy and you deny it happened! Amazing.

All claims made by the Bible and it's prophecies are lame to you.

You really try too hard to deny the simple facts.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Really? NO PART OF THE PROPHECY was fulfilled. You really think that? After looking at the history of Tyre you really don't believe that? Simple, evident, easy prophecy and you deny it happened! Amazing.

All claims made by the Bible and it's prophecies are lame to you.

You really try too hard to deny the simple facts.

Some of the bible prophecies, you have to admit, are pretty generalized statements. "There shall be those that doubt the bible", hmm, some people are going to have trouble believing that all of humanity originated from two people who lived to be 900 years old and were tricked by a talking serpent? Yeah, that is so amazing, you'd think any logical person would believe that right on the spot, just because a book says it (sarcasm over). Most of the biblical prophecies that aren't immediately fulfilled within the book within the bible are very generalized statements like that.

 

[anyathesword]

Really. So why doesn't it explicitly say that other armies will do so? Why isn't Alexander specifically mentioned?

Prophecies have to be specific, otherwise they're not prophecies.



THat's just it, Tyre exists today. The current city is built exactly where Tyre of old was built. The fact that some parts of the ruins are in water now doesn't mean Tyre was never rebuilt.



No it isn't, and you need to stop trying to hard to make the vague predictions of the Bible that have failed into something that sounds true with a lot of contorted logic, word redefinitions, and reading into words more than they say (eg, thinking that "they" means the prophecy actually predicted Alexander would sack Tyre as well).

This is why non-believers remain non-believers. You make it sound like you have to set aside logic, reason, and evidence in order to believe.

They meant any army will destroy Tyre. It doesn't say who. Watching through history, we have Alexander the Great going in and destroying this city, plus many others from around the area such as the Greeks.

The Bible is more complicated than meets the eye. It has been translated into many different languages, it is best to look at the original language and that would be Hebrew.

Non believers stay nonbelievers because despite the evidence, they will deny God anyway. Non-believers and skeptics try to find as many errors in the Bible as possible to tear it down. Why? Because they know there is power in this Book and authority.

Why don't you guys spend the same amount of time tearing down the Greek myths? Or the Quran?

Whatever evidence is presented, you will not agree or accept it. The Bible needs to be studied, not read superficially.

 

[anyathesword]

Some of the bible prophecies, you have to admit, are pretty generalized statements. "There shall be those that doubt the bible", hmm, some people are going to have trouble believing that all of humanity originated from two people who lived to be 900 years old and were tricked by a talking serpent? Yeah, that is so amazing, you'd think any logical person would believe that right on the spot, just because a book says it (sarcasm over). Most of the biblical prophecies that aren't immediately fulfilled within the book within the bible are very generalized statements like that.

That's not really a prophecy. That's a statement which of course is true.

Prophecies have been fulfilled except the future once such as the Second Coming of Jesus and the Tribulation and so forth.

I don't think it's not believable.

We discussed many months ago that the "talking serpent" was Satan himself.

The Bible is very accurate.

Prophecies are very accurate.

That's why you all attack it nonstop even if the evidence is overwhelming through history.

 

[anyathesword]

Not when it talks about a global Flood; that never happened.

Sure it did.

 

[anyathesword]

I already have.....go back and read the relevant post. Or better still, do as I did and conduct some research for yourself...it's not hard to find...



Because it can be used that way does not mean that it is always used that way...! Not all virgins are young women and not all young women are virgins.....'almah' simply means a young woman of marriageable age...it does not come with a guarantee that she won't be 'used goods'.....



Don't be lazy....do as I did and search.............failing that, go back to the post where I referenced the most well-known of them....



Yes they are....in the same vein as the Greek myths, Lord of the Rings and Grimms Fairy Tales......

You never gave me links to explain that most of the Jews don't believe in the Exodus and don't have multiple Passovers. (hmm it's April, Passover Time!!)
You just said MOST OF THE JEWS don't believe in it! Sure.

There will always be a selected few that walk away from their religions or nationalities and try to say it didn't happen. Same with Christians too. But MOST of them, I have a hard time believing that. Sorry.

"The Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 is almah. This rare noun (used 7x in Hebrew Bible) signifies a young woman, a girl, or an unmarried maiden (Gen 24:43; Exod 2:8; Isa 7:14; Ps 68:26; Prov 30:19; Song 1:3; 6:8). The focus of almah is on youth, not virginity.

But the spiritual and moral ethos in Hebrew culture assumed that young unmarried girls had no sexual experience. It was assumed that an almah was a virgin."

Myriam:
Moses' sister, Miryam, is an almah or "girl" (Exod 2:8) who followed her brother's basket-ark down the Nile. The Bible doesn't say how much older she was than Moses, but the story implies she was not yet a teenager who had reached puberty. Presumably, she was a virgin, concealed by her family from inappropriate experiences before married.

Rebekkah:
In Hebrew there are semantic differences between the three words used for Rebekah:

• girl (na'arah) — relates to gender
• virgin (betulah) — relates to sexual experience
• maiden (almah) — relates to marriage status
In describing Rebekah they are conceptually identical: a na'arah is a betulah is an almah — and is (in Greek) a parthenos.

Hebrew Streams: The "Virgin" of Isaiah 7:14

 

[DogmaHunter]

You never gave me links to explain that most of the Jews don't believe in the Exodus and don't have multiple Passovers. (hmm it's April, Passover Time!!)

I know I'm not the one using the "jews don't even believe it" argument.

But I will interject here and flat out state that it's completely irrelevant what anyone believes - no matter the amount of believers.

Argument ad populum is a poor way to argue any point.

But MOST of them, I have a hard time believing that. Sorry.

Right, but creating humans from ribs, popping things into existence by speech, walking on water, turning water into wine, defying gravity, Virgins giving birth, resurecting the dead.... all that is perfectly reasonable to believe for you....

yep, makes perfect sense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They meant any army will destroy Tyre. It doesn't say who. Watching through history, we have Alexander the Great going in and destroying this city, plus many others from around the area such as the Greeks.

Actually it was quite specific who would destroy Tyre. It was to be Nebby. And there is a reason that you cannot extend it to Alexander the Great. If you look at the history of Tyre it was attacked and beaten quite often. Even before the prophecy. They were a small town with a source of riches that other towns could not match. That was the main reason that they developed the defenses that they had. It is not a prophesy of any sort to claim that a city in the middle East would be conquered some day. I have illustrated this with my "you will see a red car" prophesy. If I made such a prophecy and you saw a red car you would not be amazed. Red is one of the most popular car colors so of course you are going to see a red car.

You are trying to lower this prophecy to a "you will see a red car" type of prophecy.

The Bible is more complicated than meets the eye. It has been translated into many different languages, it is best to look at the original language and that would be Hebrew.

This is a lame excuse and if looked at in the original Hebrew would not help your cause.

[qutoe]

Non believers stay nonbelievers because despite the evidence, they will deny God anyway. Non-believers and skeptics try to find as many errors in the Bible as possible to tear it down. Why? Because they know there is power in this Book and authority. [/quote]


No, it is because theists can be extremely obnoxious and incorrect. Please don't try to use untruths to defend your actions.

quote]Why don't you guys spend the same amount of time tearing down the Greek myths? Or the Quran?

Whatever evidence is presented, you will not agree or accept it. The Bible needs to be studied, not read superficially.[/QUOTE]

Because those religions are not a threat to education or the rights of people in the countries that we live in. Perhaps in France the Muslims are more of a threat. They are not much of a threat at all in the U.S., England or other English speaking countries.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure it did.

And no, we can show that a flood did not happen.

Do you think that 5 miles of water appearing and disappearing on the face of the Earth would leave evidence? I believe that it would. There is no such evidence.

In fact since you are claiming that the flood is true it is up to you to justify the lack of physical evidence for a flood.

 

[anyathesword]

Actually it was quite specific who would destroy Tyre. It was to be Nebby. And there is a reason that you cannot extend it to Alexander the Great. If you look at the history of Tyre it was attacked and beaten quite often. Even before the prophecy. They were a small town with a source of riches that other towns could not match. That was the main reason that they developed the defenses that they had. It is not a prophesy of any sort to claim that a city in the middle East would be conquered some day. I have illustrated this with my "you will see a red car" prophesy. If I made such a prophecy and you saw a red car you would not be amazed. Red is one of the most popular car colors so of course you are going to see a red car.

You are trying to lower this prophecy to a "you will see a red car" type of prophecy.


Why is it a threat?
This is a lame excuse and if looked at in the original Hebrew would not help your cause.

[qutoe]

Non believers stay nonbelievers because despite the evidence, they will deny God anyway. Non-believers and skeptics try to find as many errors in the Bible as possible to tear it down. Why? Because they know there is power in this Book and authority.

No, it is because theists can be extremely obnoxious and incorrect. Please don't try to use untruths to defend your actions.

quote]Why don't you guys spend the same amount of time tearing down the Greek myths? Or the Quran?

Whatever evidence is presented, you will not agree or accept it. The Bible needs to be studied, not read superficially.[/QUOTE]

Because those religions are not a threat to education or the rights of people in the countries that we live in. Perhaps in France the Muslims are more of a threat. They are not much of a threat at all in the U.S., England or other English speaking countries.[/QUOTE]