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[PsychoSarah]

Right, but God and the devil are in the details.

I doubt that. More like the sun eventually exploding.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some yes, not all Mr. Biggles. Many books were written by the men of the book's name and multiple books that are not of their name. For example Solomon wrote Proverbs and Ecclésiastes and Ezra wrote Ezra and Paul wrote several letters in the New Testament.

Such as Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Job, David, Solomon, Mark, Luke, Paul, Peter, and John.

So no! They were there to witness it...(not all but most).

None of the gospels were written by eyewitnesses. Even if they were written by the people they were named after, and Luke is the only one that has a chance of that.

They were written by people who followed various apostles. So their stories were second hand at the very best.

Moses was a myth too. Ask an anthropologist.

 

[dad]

I doubt that. More like the sun eventually exploding.

Ha. No, it actually will go dark, and in the near future. Your prediction is based on a belief that we should apply not only present state temporal laws to the sun always..but that you apply them right to start with to the sun.

 

[dad]

None of the gospels were written by eyewitnesses...

You calling John a liar?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Ha. No, it actually will go dark, and in the near future. Your prediction is based on a belief that we should apply not only present state temporal laws to the sun always..but that you apply them right to start with to the sun.

Sun explodes and then the solar system goes dark, I don't see how you view this as significantly different than your view.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You calling John a liar?

No. Why would I call John a liar?

You do realize that the gospel according to John was written at least 80 years after Jesus' death, don't you? It was not written by an eyewitness. It was not written by "John". Of course that could have been a common name back then so it could have been written by a "John", just not the John of the Bible.

Don't you even know the history of your own book?

 

[dad]

Sun explodes and then the solar system goes dark, I don't see how you view this as significantly different than your view.

No. People will still be alive on earth when the sun goes out. Soon too....get saved people, avoid the frightful times ahead.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. People will still be alive on earth when the sun goes out. Soon too....get saved people, avoid the frightful times ahead.

Well, when the sun explodes obviously there wouldn't be any survivors on earth, but prior to that point the sun will become big and red. Hard to say how they will be different for as long as life can still exist while the sun expands, but light levels will not be the same as before.

But you can see how solar eclipses might have freaked ancient people out though!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, when the sun explodes obviously there wouldn't be any survivors on earth, but prior to that point the sun will become big and red. Hard to say how they will be different for as long as life can still exist while the sun expands, but light levels will not be the same as before.

But you can see how solar eclipses might have freaked ancient people out though!

A small correction. Our sun will not "explode". It will expand into a Red Giant:

What Is The Future Of Our Sun?

 

[dad]

No. Why would I call John a liar?

You do realize that the gospel according to John was written at least 80 years after Jesus' death, don't you?

I don't care if it got published and bound in a gold leaf book last week. We had the records and knew who wrote it. No secret.

It was not written by an eyewitness.

Yes. John. Very clear.

It was not written by "John". Of course that could have been a common name back then so it could have been written by a "John", just not the John of the Bible.

Yes. I say it was.

Don't you even know the history of your own book?

I know when John says things like "I John" it doesn't mean 'I, a guy named John who was not really John'!

One tends to get to know the voice of Satan through men, and the voice of God after a while. Same thing since Eden. 'Has God said..? you won't reallllly die...blah blah'

Speaking of the very message of Satan coming through men, I heard a spine tingling example the other day of what I consider to be a message from hell. Wow.


"Wednesday’s speech before a predominately younger crowd at The Center for Fine Arts in the heart of Brussels by recalling Europe’s vast history in which, he said, a now internationally-accepted set of ideals first emerged “through centuries of struggles, through war and enlighten, repression and revolution.” Those ideals, he added, include “The belief that through conscious and free will each of us has the right to live as we choose,” and “The belief that power is derived from the consent of the governed, and that laws and institutions should be to protect that understanding.”



Obama lashes out at Russia over Crimea during Brussels speech — RT USA

How about unselfishness and laying down one's life for others, and trying to obey God? How about choosing GOOD! Satan knows we have the right to choose, right from Eden. The issue is what we chose, not just doing anything we chose...like killing babies, living like Sodom, torturing people in Gitmo, invading countries like Iraq, and murdering multitudes, using drones to kill civilians, etc etc etc. But I digress....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Gospel of John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

. Although some notable New Testament scholars affirm traditional Johannine scholarship,[7][8] the majority do not believe that John or one of the Apostles wrote it,[9][10][11][12][13][14] and trace it instead to a "Johannine community" which traced its traditions to John; the gospel itself shows signs of having been composed in three "layers", reaching its final form about 90–100 AD.[

 

[dad]

Well, when the sun explodes obviously there wouldn't be any survivors on earth,

The exploding sun is a lie, it will never happen.

but prior to that point the sun will become big and red.

Inside the fable preached by science, based on disbelief in God and pretending present state laws will always apply..yes.

Hard to say how they will be different for as long as life can still exist while the sun expands, but light levels will not be the same as before.

The sun will go dark...not explode. Life will continue on earth. Probably at least for a day, or several days.

But you can see how solar eclipses might have freaked ancient people out though!

Nah. They were pretty smart, and has astronomy since almost the flood.

They were smarter than science in many ways, such as realizing there is a spiritual connection with the stars.

 

[dad]

Gospel of John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The majority are wrong. Like they know squat?

 

[PsychoSarah]

The exploding sun is a lie, it will never happen.

Inside the fable preached by science, based on disbelief in God and pretending present state laws will always apply..yes.


The sun will go dark...not explode. Life will continue on earth. Probably at least for a day, or several days.

Nah. They were pretty smart, and has astronomy since almost the flood.

They were smarter than science in many ways, such as realizing there is a spiritual connection with the stars.

No, seriously dad, many ancient peoples freaked out when solar eclipses happened, thinking it was the end of the world.

 

[dad]

No, seriously dad, many ancient peoples freaked out when solar eclipses happened, thinking it was the end of the world.

Example?

 

[anyathesword]

How are you sure the laws of nature won't change in the next minute?

How are you sure you're not a brain in a jar?

How are you sure that gravity won't stop working and you'll go floating off into space, soon?

How are you sure a ten-foot tall orge won't pop into existence and came at you with a mace?

How are you sure the world's not really flat?

How are you sure the Sun isn't the center of the universe?

How are you sure that, when you turn on your car, the way gasoline works won't change and make it blow up?

How are you when open a door, you won't open a portal and walk into the vacuum of space?

How are you sure your body isn't inhabited by invisible, undetectable pixies?

Reality does not just change at the drop of a hat, Anya; that's a very banal point you're trying to make. If you want to say that things worked differently in the past, fine - please provide empirical and verifiable evidence, then we'll consider. Until you do, there's no more reason for me to take such a notion any more seriously than I do the idea of a preparing my house for a hobgoblin attack, because, as far as I know, neither are things that happen.

I'm ok with serious questions, but the ones you posted are a little silly.

So how are you sure the laws of nature were the same as they are today?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Example?

History of total solar eclipses | CSIRO

Solar Eclipses Were not Always Enjoyed - Windows to the Universe

Solar Eclipses, Total Eclipse Information, News, Facts, Photos -- National Geographic

 

[anyathesword]

But the word god isn't a name, just like the word president isn't a name. Yahweh (YHWH) is the closest thing that the Christian god (and the Jewish god, really) has for a name. If you like, I can refer to that deity as Yahweh instead of using god, but since god isn't a name, I will not capitalize it.

So why in the Bible the word God is capitalized for Yahweh and not capitalized for other gods?

It's because in Christianity there is only ONE God and He lives in Heaven.

Other religions have gods, multiple gods who are not the Christian God.

YES, God IS a name, a proper name for the Christian God.

Yes, it is proper grammer to do so. Everyone needs to respect that and I see not many respecting it. God is God, not a god.

Look it up yourself, the internet is a great resource.

All you have to do is capitalize the G if you are talking about God, Yahweh. That's all.

 

[dad]

History of total solar eclipses | CSIRO

Solar Eclipses Were not Always Enjoyed - Windows to the Universe

Solar Eclipses, Total Eclipse Information, News, Facts, Photos -- National Geographic

One link cites a few wise men getting beheaded. May have been more involved.

The national Geographic link I saw nothing related.

As for pagans associating spirits with heavenly events, that just reflected what spirits they believed in, and a knowledge that the spiritual was somehow involved. They were right, despite being wrong about exactly what spirit was involved how.

 

[PsychoSarah]

One link cites a few wise men getting beheaded. May have been more involved.

The national Geographic link I saw nothing related.

As for pagans associating spirits with heavenly events, that just reflected what spirits they believed in, and a knowledge that the spiritual was somehow involved. They were right, despite being wrong about exactly what spirit was involved how.

I said ancient people freaked out, I didn't state any specific culture or religion influencing it.