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Curious how many Democrats agree with these actions?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Mountainmanbob, Jul 13, 2019 at 2:12 AM.

  1. Mountainmanbob

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  2. Cimorene

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    Christians should care about the lives of people more than any flag just made out of fabric. The flag is just a symbol. ICE has disgraced the United States more than anybody taking down any piece of fabric ever could.
     
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  3. Shiloh Raven

    Shiloh Raven "After all this time?" Always.

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    Speaking as a liberal veteran activist, I support the constitutional right to freedom of speech and the right of the people to peacefully assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    According to the Supreme Court ruling, protesting using the American flag (in reference to burning it) is protected under the First Amendment’s Free Speech Clause. It is an act of symbolic expression that communicates an individual American's personal opinion about America. In a similar way, protesting by removing the American flag and replacing it with the Mexican flag is an act of symbolic expression that demonstrates the opinion these protestors have of ICE, which is a branch of the government.
     
  4. Shiloh Raven

    Shiloh Raven "After all this time?" Always.

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    You would be amazed how protective some Americans are of that flag, to the point of reverence. I've seen it firsthand during the many years I've been involved in social justice and political activism.
     
  5. Dave-W

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    Lowering a flag and raising another in its place has a far greater historic meaning than just a protest. It is a sign of military conquest by the country whose flag is being raised over the country whose flag got lowered.
     
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  6. Mountainmanbob

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    ICE Is doing the best job they can with the resources they have.

    Ever notice that most of our border patrol people are of color.



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  7. Mountainmanbob

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    • (I)believe that tearing down our flag the United States flag and putting up a Mexican flag is very unpatriotic. So (I) believe that people that do such acts really do not care for this country and (I) am not sure if this country should be welcoming being then?

    (I)also have to wonder how Patriotic these ones are that support these people that tear down the flag? Causes me to wonder if they have any real love for their country or country men?

    Maybe the question should have been are you patriotic?

    M-Bob
     
  8. High Fidelity

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    Getting all bent out of shape over a piece of cloth.

    It's a coloured rag. People have turned it in to an idol and it's pathetic. Especially since most of those same people that denounce, for example, football players kneeling during the anthem, are the same sort of people that wear American flag clothing, beach towels etc. Pretty sure that isn't allowed either but who cares right?
     
  9. civilwarbuff

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    I notice that so far not a single person here who usually comes down on the liberal side of the fence has directly answered your question yet......
     
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  10. Albion

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    There is a point there, all right.

    Most people in most nations do not see their country's flag as representing what Americans believe theirs represents. For those people, their flags are more like calling cards or school colors.

    Our country has never been just a designated piece of turf but also is an idea, a concept. So that is why the flag has a different meaning, one that makes it not a rag that says "American government," but a banner that proclaims certain ideals. If human rights are not ones cup of tea, there isn't much reason to respect this flag, that's true.
     
  11. Mountainmanbob

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    I can't think of any country that respects human rights more than the United States. Definitely no other country has done more to help the world respect human rights.

    I have noticed that those that support law breakers seem to have little respect for the flag.

    M-Bob
     
  12. Shiloh Raven

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    Actually I did answer the question by participating in the poll. I explained my opinion further in my response to the OP. I have the suspicion that you are only noticing what you want to notice.
     
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    If the United States truly respected human rights then abortion would not be legal in this country, let alone legal for the last 46 years. And that's not to mention the dire problem of police brutality against minorities. According to statistics, there are over 630,000 homeless people in America. 67,495 are veterans. Perhaps the U.S. should clean up its own house first before trying to be a world hero.

    "A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members" Pope John Paul II
     
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    Opps....just realized this said Democrats. I'm not one.

    I don't agree with them taking down a flag that doesn't belong to them. They had no business touching it to begin with.
    If they wanted to bring their own US flag to replace with the Mexico flag that is their right to exercise freedom of speech.

    The police chief had something nice to say about the demonstrators.

    "Tonight we witnessed the best of Aurora (Police & Community) during the peaceful #LightsForLiberty demonstration. Thank you to everyone who remained peaceful & took the time to thank my cops...& thank you to all the officers who were there to ensure everyones safety. @AuroraPD"
    Chief Nick Metz (@APDChiefMetz) | Twitter
     
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    ICE doesn't patrol the border. If ICE is doing the best job they can with the resources they have they desperately need better management bc they've done a terrible job.

    What does it matter if border patrol people are of color?
     
  16. Mountainmanbob

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    So what are they mistreating their own?
    M-Bob
     
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    Their own???? You think that if someone has the same skin tone as another person that makes them "their own."
     
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    Meh. While I sort of agree that they shouldn't have removed the flag, it's sort of a non-issue in the long run. To be honest, I'm more concerned that the facility had a Blue Lives Matter flag flying. No government facility should be displaying a flag associated with a particular political movement, and yes I think that applies to the rainbow flag as well, even if it's not the same thing.
     
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