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Someone said a study was done on crows and they are waaay more intelligent than chimps. Is this true?
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Crows vs Chimps
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Yes -- that's why crowbars are preferred over monkey wrenches 3-to-1.
And crowbars are irreducibly complex!
(Okay, that was sad --
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Aahahahaaaaa! That's delightful!!!
That is AWESOME! He KNEW it would work...he just didn't have the right technique yet hahaaa...his determination and fervor is incredible!
That is AWESOME! He KNEW it would work...he just didn't have the right technique yet hahaaa...his determination and fervor is incredible!
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I've certainly heard about how intelligent crows and ravens can be... but given how complicated tasks and concepts chimps can handle I'd be a little surprised crows were smarter.
Actually this opens an interesting thing from evolutionary history. Modern birds like crows are descended from theropod dinosaurs and we have a lot of evidence that some of them were warm blooded, social predators with opposable thumbs (the Velociraptor is the most famous example).
It seems like that would be the ideal starting point for the development of an intelligent species. However it seems that either intelligence never developed or if it did they never got very far technologically before they were wiped out with the rest of the large dinosaurs.
We don't really have much to work on with the development of technological intelligence given the only examples we have are humans and our very closest relatives.
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Kinda doubt it.
It's possible that crows might outperform chimps in one or more areas of intelligence but I'm sure the opposite is also true. For example, I'm sure the complexities of chimp social interaction is completely beyond a crow. Inter and intrapersonal intelligences take a huge amount of brain power.
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TemperateSeaIsland
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You might find this interesting keeping in mind it's from a comedy site.
6 Terrifying Ways Crows Are Way Smarter Than You Think | Cracked.com
6 Terrifying Ways Crows Are Way Smarter Than You Think | Cracked.com
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Nostromo
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Crows are smart, yeah, but it's a bit of a stretch to say they're as smart as chimps.
Chimp Beats Human: Intelligence Test - YouTube
Chimp Beats Human: Intelligence Test - YouTube
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GrowingSmaller
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I liked the film "The Crow" starring Brandon Lee as vengant rock star Eric Draven.
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Naraoia
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I think it's very hard to compare intelligence between species, especially distantly related ones. These animals have different bodies, different senses, different lifestyles, different behaviours. They'll be good at different things. You first have to find an objective, cross-species measure of intelligence before you can compare them.
Either way, crows are awesome.
OuchYes -- that's why crowbars are preferred over monkey wrenches 3-to-1.
And crowbars are irreducibly complex!
(Okay, that was sad --
What evidence is there for sociality and opposable thumbs?
See, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Corvids definitely do have social lives, including roosts occupied by tens of thousands of birds (review). Crow pairs engage in grooming and generally seem to behave like friends. (Interestingly the famously crafty New Caledonian crows appear to be among the less social species!) These guys, who study carrion crows' social lives, say that some corvids seem to have theory of mind. Culture has been proposed to exist in NC crows based on the distribution of different tool styles.
Either way, crows are awesome.
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I'd be inclined to agree with you actually. I think humans are rather vain actually, and tend to fancy themselves as so much "smarter" than other creatures. In reality, most living things demonstrate a high level of intelligence. Even single celled organisms have learned to eat a balanced diet.
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Hammond: This is just a delay, all major theme parks have delays. When they opens Disney land in 1956 nothing worked.
Malcolm: But John, when Pirates of the Caribbean break down the pirates don't eat the tourists.
Always laughed at that line.
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Oooh, sorry about that. Too much Jurassic park while growing up I guess.
I just a had a bit of a research and while they didn't appear to have true thumbs, one of their 'fingers' was partially opposable and the hand was hinged to it could only grasp inwards like a bird's wing not twist around to be walked on like our hands can.
On the social side, it seems a little more ambiguous. There are track marks that show them moving around together... but also sings of cannibalism and fighting at feeding sites.
Deinonychus Manus by Anatotitan, on Flickr
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I was in Orlando 2 months after they opened the Disney park in 1971. Everything was working fine. That was during Christmas break and there were not that many people there at the time. I hear they are a lot more crowded now. I went there to see if they had any jobs for people to build the park. All the work was done and they were not out to hire anyone. Well, a guy wanted to hire me to build apartments. So there was a lot of building going on outside of the park. It was mostly just all fields & campgrounds back then, they had not built very much outside the park yet.
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Naraoia
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No, I haven't, and every conversation like this confirms my decision to stay away from it
OK, I read that abstract and it doesn't say anything about opposability anywhere, only grasping. (I can comfortably grasp many objects without using my thumb; I don't think the two are the same.) Does it have an associated paper?
Ah, yes. I had a real fright when you mentioned sociality. I thought you were thinking of the old "Deinonychus hunted in packs" meme
I remember how disappointed I was when I read the second paper. Oh well, we still have Harris hawks for consolation!
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to the folks at the Field Museum for not mounting the Deinonychus with bunny hands.Similar threads
