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Doug, I've noted your research and seen your charts. I know you've invested a lot of time in this, and I commend you for it. Here is my study. I think you will find less contradictions this way.
Great Sign in Heaven (Revelation 12)
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Hi Marilyn and Minky,
Before theorizing on the person - the first criteria has to be considered.
Revelation was given to John later in his life, and John has no expectation that he would be given it.
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Yes. I don't know of anyone who thinks Revelation was about the unveiling of John.Did you realise that the book of Revelation is about the unveiling of JESUS & NOT John?
Yes. I don't know of anyone who thinks Revelation was about the unveiling of John.
In my previous post, I was making the point that the first criteria of the Antichrist person is that he has to be a Jew, his religion Judaism. and perceived by the Jews as descended from king David.
None of the information about the person in Revelation 13, 17, as the beast is found in the epistles of John.
We are putting together theories about the person because we have Revelation. Them John was speaking to in 1John2:18, did not have Revelation.There are no scriptures, (plural) to reveal the A/C of a Jew. Remember that we cannot take one scripture alone to prove a position. The truth is to match ALL of God`s word.
We are putting together theories about the person because we have Revelation. Them John was speaking to in 1John2:18, did not have Revelation.
But the early church was already aware that antichrist shall come... without any information about the person from Revelation.
1John2:18
and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come,
Them who John was speaking to had heard that antichrist shall come. The only basis they would have had about the antichrist is that Jesus said the Jews would accept another coming in his own name, and reject him as the King of Israel coming in the name of the Lord.
John 12:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
To become the Antichrist, the King of Israel, but coming in his own name, the person has to be
a Jew, his religion Judaism, and be perceived by the Jews to be descended from King David.
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The timeframes regarding the person to connect him to the little horn in Daniel 7,8, and the prince who shall come in Daniel 9 - were not given until John was informed of the timeframes in Revelation.
So them in 1John2:18 would have had no information to make the connection of the antichrist with those prophecies in Daniel - because they did not have the timeframes of Revelation.
All that them in 1John2:18 had was that the Jews would accept another, instead of Jesus, who comes in his own name. Whereas in John 12:13 above, Jesus is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Because being the Antichrist is about being the king of Israel....for a while, for only around 3 years. He may also concurrently be the leader of the EU during that time, it is not known for sure.So if as you say the coming Global leader is a Jew, then why isn`t he leading Israel and not the 10 nations?
Because being the Antichrist is about being the king of Israel....for a while, for only around 3 years. He may also concurrently be the leader of the EU during that time, it is not known for sure.
Being the little horn and being the beast is being the king of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire.
I gave the basic functional roles of the person. Leader of the EU, then the King of Israel, then the dictator of the EU.Are you saying that the peace negotiator, will be king of Israel for a while, then later turn on his people and kill many who don`t take his mark, and then finally kill two thirds of Israelis, his people, before surrounding Jerusalem and killing and looting and raping.
@Marilyn C , @Minky
The person will be a Jew by birth. And his religion Judaism by choice.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 4:Just because the Jews receive this man does NOT mean that they accept him as their Messiah. They receive him as confirming the covenant with them.
The person is not revealed as the man of lawlessness until he claims as a man to have achieved God-hood.If this man of lawlessness received their acclamation of him being their messiah, then why would they begin their sacrifices again?
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