Crop Circles

[Danthemailman]

 

[Kylie]

What's your take on crop circles?

They're all made by Humans. No mysterious phenomena, no aliens. Just Humans playing pranks.

 

[Kylie]

I'll admit that most of them were hoaxes.

Most of them.

But what about some that have electromagnetic anomalies accompanying them?

Can you give an example of such a circle?

 

[Kylie]

In your opinion, does every single crop circle have a perp that owned up to it?

No, but that doesn't mean that we should consider the possibility that it was aliens or something. There are plenty of things that haven't been owned up to, but we know it was a human who did it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you give an example of such a circle?

Not a specific one, but qv:

Electromagnetic Anomalies ... in British Crop Formations

 

[Kylie]

Not a specific one, but qv:

Electromagnetic Anomalies ... in British Crop Formations

Yeah, that's a joke. The website is "...dedicated to the study of optimizing and improving human performance, creativity, intuitive accuracy, and capacity for extraterrestrial contact." And the author has a degree in sociology, so nothing that qualifies him to make any reliable statements about any meteorological or extra-terrestrial cause for crop circles. He's also really into a lot of new age mumbo jumbo such as crystals having energy power and remote viewing (which he apparently thinks is related to time travel).

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, that's a joke. The website is "...dedicated to the study of optimizing and improving human performance, creativity, intuitive accuracy, and capacity for extraterrestrial contact." And the author has a degree in sociology, so nothing that qualifies him to make any reliable statements about any meteorological or extra-terrestrial cause for crop circles. He's also really into a lot of new age mumbo jumbo such as crystals having energy power and remote viewing (which he apparently thinks is related to time travel).

So if he said 1 + 1 = 2, you wouldn't believe him?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Electromagnetic Anomalies ... in British Crop Formations

Meh - that question-begging heap of pseudoscience is based on supposedly replicating the now discredited work of Burke, Levengood, and Talbot - see The Questionable Science of Crop Circles.

 

[Kylie]

So if he said 1 + 1 = 2, you wouldn't believe him?

You have a very black and white view of reality, and it's gonna get you into trouble.

If he says something for which there is no verifiable evidence, I'm not gonna believe him.

But that doesn't mean that I'm gonna disagree with him about EVERYTHING just because I disagree with him about one thing. Why would you think that? Are all atheists just contrarianists in your view?

I mean, I disagree with you about the existence of God, but if you came into the room and told me that someone was trying to steal my car, I'd run out and try to stop it. I wouldn't say, "Well, I think AV is wrong about God, so he's obviously wrong about someone stealing my car too!"

 

[AV1611VET]

You have a very black and white view of reality, and it's gonna get you into trouble.

Kylie, the website says this:

To investigate the possible existence of non-ordinary electrical fields in and near crop patterns, twelve formations in the Wiltshire area of England were sampled during the summer of 1999 to measure their ambient electrostatic fields. Measurements were taken with a TREK-520 electrostatic field meter. Results were consistent with previous studies. Several of the sampled formations displayed highly anomalous and irregular energy fields, some sufficient to render the field meter inoperable.

Regardless of what you think of the site in general, do you believe this part?

 

[Kylie]

Kylie, the website says this:Regardless of what you think of the site in general, do you believe this part?

How were the measurements taken? Did they measure the fields on the ground, or just in the air? Have they tested sites without crop circles to see if similar readings result? How have the determined that their results are due to the crop circles and nothing else? There's not enough information here to make any conclusions, we are relying on what these people have to say, and they are certainly not unbiased.

 

[AV1611VET]

How were the measurements taken? Did they measure the fields on the ground, or just in the air? Have they tested sites without crop circles to see if similar readings result? How have the determined that their results are due to the crop circles and nothing else? There's not enough information here to make any conclusions, we are relying on what these people have to say, and they are certainly not unbiased.

Alright -- have a good day.

 

[Kylie]

Alright -- have a good day.

Do you think his investigation is informative about crop circles? If so, in what way?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Kylie, the website says this:
"...Results were consistent with previous studies..."
Regardless of what you think of the site in general, do you believe this part?

The previous studies were debunked.

 

[AV1611VET]

The previous studies were debunked.

Citation please?

 

[essentialsaltes]

"Several of the sampled formations displayed highly anomalous and irregular energy fields, some sufficient to render the field meter inoperable."

No, I don't believe that.

It's interesting that it was a bit of a fad on the part of the aliens and demons, and now they mostly gave it up.

There was a fad for trance mediums producing ectoplasmic ghosts out their noses, but that stopped after people were exposed as frauds, too.

Nobody bends spoons with their mind anymore.

The biorhythm machines are all gone from the grocery stores.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was a fad for trance mediums producing ectoplasmic ghosts out their noses, but that stopped after people were exposed as frauds, too.

Yup -- the lookalikes, the fakes, the charlatans were exposed as frauds by science, to which I'm thankful.

Then, when the people are lulled back to sleep, what happens?

The real deals show up, and everyone just pooh-poohs them, and gets bit.

As one theologian said: Satan no longer needs to hide.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The real deals show up,

Who is that? Are there real mediums producing real ectoplasm out their noses?

 

[AV1611VET]

Who is that? Are there real mediums producing real ectoplasm out their noses?

Cute.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Cute.

Are there real crop circles now? What is the real deal you talked about?