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Featured Critique of Amillennialism

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Aug 17, 2017.

  1. Quasar92

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    First of all, the seven seals is a prolog of the tribulation, that amplifies Mt.24; Mk.13 and Lk.21. The seventh seal contains the seven trumpet judgments.

    There is only one Kingdom of God, which will fulfill the prayer Jesus taught us to pray, in Mt.6:9-13, for Jesus 1,000 year reign, on the throne of David, recorded in Acts 2:29-30 and 15:16, in the restored kingdom of Israel, recorded in Acts 1:6.

    Hope this helps.


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  2. saint2

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    The judgment of the wicked begins at Revelation's 7th Seal

    The Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:9-13 contains the phrase "And do not bring us to the time of trial, but rescue us from the evil one". This phrase is referring to the time of Revelation's Seventh Seal.

    The NABRE translates Matthew 6:13 as "and do not subject us to the final test, but deliver us from the evil one". This petition asks that the disciples be spared the final test. Jewish apocalyptic writings speak of a period of severe trial before the end of the age.

    In Matthew 26:41 Jesus cautions his disciples "Watch and pray that you may not undergo the test. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”


    Jesus explained privately to his disciples the parable of the separation of the weeds from the wheat out of his kingdom, and then the fiery judgment of these weeds.

    Matthew 13:40
    Just as the weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, 42 and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    The furnace of fire is the 7th Seal's torments where all evildoers in the Son of Man's Kingdom will be sent at the end of the age. This end of age judgment of the wicked is attested to by Peter.

    2 Peter 3:7
    But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the godless.

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  3. victorinus

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    where does it say Jesus will reign a thousand years?
     
  4. Quasar92

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    The seventh seal contains the seven trumpet judgments later followed by the bowl/vial judgments in Rev.16. The GWTJ does not take place until Jesus 1,000 year reign on earth is completed, recorded in Rev.20:11-15, at the end of the age.


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  5. saint2

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    Does the Savior of the World save the world? (1 John 4:14)

    If we assume that the Millennial Kingdom and the following Satan led rebellion comes immediately before the GWTJ, then we must conclude that Christ's 1000 year reign has been a SALVATION failure.

    More people have been saved before Christ's 1000 year reign than afterwards. The great multitude that no one could count are saved prior to the 1000 year reign (Revelation 7:9). Whereas after the 1000 year reign, those who lose their salvation number as the sand of the seas (Revelation 20:8). What purpose has Christ's 1000 year reign accomplished?


    Placed in it's proper chronological sequence between the 5th and 6th Seal, the 1000 year reign ends with the rest of the dead living again - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished (Revelation 20:5)

    This means that the Satan led rebellious multitude numbering as the sand of the seas have a chance for repentance during the testing period of the Seventh Seal with it's Seven Trumpet Judgments.

    Romans 11:32
    For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.


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  6. Quasar92

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    Your hermeneutics are faulty. Yhe seven seals is a prolog of things to come, amplifying what was written in Mt.24; Mk.13 and in Lk.21. The seventh seal contains the seven trumpet judgments. There is no such thing as the 1,000 year reign of Jesus accuring anywhere in the seven seals.

    The Great Multitude of Rev.7:9-17 will ALL be saved within the 3.5 year time frame of the Great Tribulation. A very short period of time for those numbers. They are the same group as the tribulation martyrs/saints in the resurrection of Rev.20:4, that follows the end of the seven years of tribulation.

    Estimating the world population before the tribulation begins to be 8 billion people. An wstimayr from the attrition at the hand of the Antichrist and of the wrath of God will take up to 2/3 of that population, reducing it to 3 billion people - plus everyone who ever believed in Jesus, to begin His 1,000 year reign.

    Over a 1,999 year period of time, the 3 billion people population will become an enormous increase. In the days the Bible was written by the authors, they did not have the knowledge of how to write numbers in figures beyond thousands, or hundreds of thousands.

    As such, the number of people in Satan's army, in Rev.20:7-20, will by no means decimate the remaining world population. Nor will it by any means relegate the work of Jesus Christ a failure, as prophecy clearly reveals in the coming New Age. With the New Heaven and Earth provided by God, from which Jesus will reign forever from, over His vast number of member believers to fill the New Jerusalem with, that measures 1,500 miles long, 1,500 miles wide and 1,500 miles high, with rooms to house them all, as recorded in Rev.21.

    Hope this helps.


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  7. LastSeven

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    Ya, none of those examples say that Jesus will physically reign on this old earth, but you guys can keep posting them as you always do. Just don't expect me to have the same level of imagination required to agree with you.
     
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    ??? Nobody obtains salvation if they reject Jesus. I'm sure you know that, so what a strange question.
    I think you've misunderstood my position, or I'm misunderstanding your point.

    Bab said that telling the Jews they have an alternate path to salvation is anti-semitic because it's a lie that will doom them to death. You disagreed with him, I agreed. So if that's what you want to discuss, let's try to focus.
     
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    Agreed. But the further revelation wherein it makes perfect sense is exclusively spiritual in nature, resulting as we gain an understanding of the truths in the whole of Scripture, and from the ministry of the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth. It is then that the underlying spiritual meanings of the prophecy emerge, and our spiritual eyes are opened to recognize them. When we examine Genesis 3:15 under the light of these realities, it becomes manifestly evident that this prophecy is overwhelmingly spiritual in nature.
     
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    The 1000 Year Millennium Kingdom of Christ

    After the last bowl judgment is thrown by God the Father to the earth – the battle of Armageddon ensues and then Jesus comes back to put a final end to all of it.
    The Antichrist and False Prophet are the first ones to be thrown into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. Satan is then thrown into the Bottomless Pit for a thousand years, and all of the bad and unsaved people are kept in Hades (Hell) for the next 1000 years.

    All of the above was discussed in my article titled, “Basic Overview of Main End Time Events,” so I will not repeat what was in that article. All the Scripture verses were given to you in that article on all of the above events.

    Now that Jesus has returned back to our earth for the second and final time – what exactly is He going to do? He is going to be setting up a 1000 year Millennium Kingdom in which He will literally rule this entire earth from the city of Jerusalem in Israel. Here is what the Bible has to say about what will be going on during this time period.

    The Bible says this period will be a time of perfect peace. Jesus will rule this entire earth from the city of Jerusalem, and He, and He alone will be the only official Ruler and King of this earth. Men will no longer war with one another and even the wild beasts like tigers and lions will be tame.

    All of the saints who have been living with Jesus in heaven will be coming down with Him to help Him rule the nations of this world. Jesus will be the only God people will worship and serve. All other false religions will have been completely done away with. People will live long lives, possibly up to a 1000 years like they did before the flood of Noah.

    Here are the main verses from Scripture that will give us this specific information Jesus Will Rule This Earth From the City of Jerusalem

    Some people think that Jesus will not be literally ruling this earth from the city of Jerusalem. They think He will be ruling from Heaven where He is at now. I believe this view is wrong. The following Scripture verses will tell us, without any other possible interpretation, that Jesus will literally be ruling this entire earth from the city of Jerusalem, not from Heaven where He is at right now.

    1. This first verse is from the Book of Psalms. It is God the Father making a statement that He will set His Son Jesus on the holy hill of Zion where He will literally rule from. God is saying that He is going to give Jesus the entire earth as His possession.

    “He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, and distress them in His deep displeasure: “Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, today I have begotten You, ask of Me, and I will give you the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ” (Psalm 2:4-9)

    2. This next verse says that God the Father will be giving Jesus the throne of King David, which is from Jerusalem, and that His kingdom will last forever.
    “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David … And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” (Luke 1:32-33)

    3. This next verse tells us that this kingdom will never be destroyed and that it will not be left to humans to try and manage. Humans have made nothing but a mess of things over the course of human history and God will no longer be putting up with us trying to run the world. This verse tells us that Jesus’ kingdom will now consume all of the other earthly kingdoms of this earth and break them into pieces.

    “And in the days of these things the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.”

    See also: http://titusinstitute.com/bibleprophecy/kingdom.php

    Scriptures that prove the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ on Earth

    That reveal the heretic teachings of Amillennialism.

    Matthew 19:28--And Jesus said unto them, Truly I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Messieh comes in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Matthew 25:31--When the Messieh shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

    This coming with power and great glory with his angels is well documented (Matthew 24:30-31). And that he sits on an earthly throne after this coming cannot be disproven. Right now, John saw him on a Throne in heaven. He is there as God and reigns as God on that throne. He has never ceased to be God and there has ever been a Kingdom of God in heaven. He said: Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool. But he also said to the Apostles his throne would be upon this earth. He brought this heavenly Kingdom to earth and he will reign here in person as the heir of David's throne in the millennial.

    2Peter 3:8--But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    In verse 7 it appears Apostle Peter had given a prophecy of the very end of the world when it would be destroyed. Then in retrospect of a time before that event he gives us the prophecy of the thousand years and equates it as one day with the Lord. He urges us not to be ignorant of this time frame of a day being equal to a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:4--And I saw thrones, and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the word of God,and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither has received his mark upon their foreheads, or upon their hands; and they lived and reigned with Messieh a thousand years.

    Matthew 25:34--Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come ye blessed of God, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

    1Corinthians 6:9--Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, etc. ect.

    Revelation 21:7--They that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be their God, and they shall be my elect.

    Revelation 5:10--And has made us unto God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Revelation 20:6--Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Messieh, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    It is obvious that the 1,000 years follows the resurrection. It is also obvious the 1,000 years is a time when death has no power over the Saints of God. This can only be after the second coming at which time it is said:

    1Corinthians 15:54--So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    It is further obvious that the 1,000 years is after the first physical resurrection of those dead, after death has no power, that the resurrected Saints reign as Priests of God for one thousand years. The sequence must remain intact and in sequential order. The same 1,000 years the devil is bound is the same 1,000 years those who were martyred for not taking the mark of the beast are physically raised in a resurrection and reign with the Lord.

    To say the 1,000 years runs concurrently or parallel with the Church is to say the physical resurrection of those who were martyred is past. The amillennialist have yet to prove there are resurrected martyrs in the world and have been here since their alleged 1,000 began. Such is demanded if the spiritualization of the 1,000 years as the Church age is correct. Are there many thousands of Saints who already have immortality and are deathless, and that they are now as Priest reigning with Messieh upon the earth?

    The present Ministry of the Church are not reigning and are forbidden to be Lord's over God's heritage. They are nor deathless. And the resurrection and immortality have not come yet because Jesus has not returned. To have immortality here now is to say that Jesus has come already. And if he has, what of their end of the world when he comes. Why are we still here? Why has not the world ended? Please read on now as I bring forth more on this important endtime subject.

    From: http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/ca ... mill1.html


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    Joh 4:19  The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 
    Joh 4:20  Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship." 
    Joh 4:21  Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 
    Joh 4:22  You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 
    Joh 4:23  But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 
    Joh 4:24  God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 



    Gal 4:25  for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 

    Gal 4:26  but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 




    Heb 11:15  And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 


    Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.



    Heb 12:22  But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 

    Heb 12:23  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 

    Heb 12:24  to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. 
     


    The earthly Jerusalem is not my destination.





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    The Scriptural proofs delineating Jesus 1,000 year reign on earth, in my post 50, refute your above attempt to deny it with out of context scriptures.


    A New Heaven and a New Earth

    Rev.21:1 "Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’b or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

    5He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

    6He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    The New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb

    9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadiac in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubitsd thick.e 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.f 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

    22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


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    1Th 4:13  But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 
    1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 
    1Th 4:15  For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 
    1Th 4:16  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 
    1Th 4:17  Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 
    1Th 4:18  Therefore comfort one another with these words. 
    1Th 5:1  But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 
    1Th 5:2  For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 
    1Th 5:3  For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 
    1Th 5:4  But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 
    1Th 5:5  You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 
    1Th 5:6  Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 
    1Th 5:7  For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 
    1Th 5:8  But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 
    1Th 5:9  For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 
    1Th 5:10  who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. 
    1Th 5:11  Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.


    2Th 1:7  and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 
    2Th 1:8  in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 
    2Th 1:9  These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 
    2Th 1:10  when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 



    2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 
    2Pe 3:11  Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 
    2Pe 3:12  looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 
    2Pe 3:13  Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 


    Rev 16:15  "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame." 
    Rev 16:16  And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. 

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    His kingdom is not of this world
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    it will not end after 1000 years
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    they reign with Christ
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    Christ will reign with them
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    can't you see the difference?
     
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    Review Jesus second coming to the earth in Zech.14:5 and in Rev.19:11-21, when He comes to fight the battle of Armageddon, ending the tribulation. And in Rev.20:6 where He will reign on earth for 1,000 years, where He will build the Millennial temple described in Zech.6:12-13 and in Ez.40-47.


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    When Jesus reigns on the earth for 1,000 years, He will RULE as King and Chief Priest. See Rev.19:11-21 and Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47.


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    Quite right. That is precisely the point. 8.5 million citizens of Israel, have not believed/received Jesus, as either their Lord or their Messiah and will not do so until Jesus second coming, as recorded in Zech.12:10 ans 14:4-5.


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    it says they will reign
     
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    The following is the teaching of Paul, about the pre-trib rapture of the Church, you have mixed with the second coming of Jesus, SEVEN years later, using verses 14-16 of the following to do so.

    SEE THE VAST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE RAPTURE AND THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST BELOW.

    13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, gthat you may not grieve as others do hwho have no hope. 14 For isince we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him jthose who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you kby a word from the Lord,4 that lwe who are alive, who are left until mthe coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For nthe Lord himself will descend ofrom heaven pwith a cry of command, with the voice of qan archangel, and rwith the sound of the trumpet of God. And sthe dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be tcaught up together with them uin the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so vwe will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

    Scriptural proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church

    The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!

    The difference between the pre-trib rapture of the Church, as delineated above, and the SECOND coming of Jesus are the following facts:

    1. Jesus returns to the earth in His second coming, recorded in Zech.14:4-5 and in Acts 1:11.

    2. No one meets Jesus in the sky when He returns in His second coming, recorded in Rev.19:14, as they will when He returns for the first time, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16!.

    3. Jesus will return from the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, in heaven, in His second coming, to the earth, with His Church, recorded in Rev.19:14, He came for in His first coming, in the clouds of the sky, seven years before, recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28, 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.

    4. No one returns to the present heaven at Jesus second coming to the earth, because He has come to establish His 1,000 year reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13 described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6. In addition to the present heaven and earth being destroyed and will pass away, as recorded in 2 Pet.3:7 and in Rev.21:1.


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    Review the following Scriptural facts"

    6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


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