Critique of Amillennialism

[victorinus]

they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign

they, will be priests of God and of Christ and, will reign

 

[BABerean2]

8.5 million citizens of Israel, have not believed/received Jesus, as either their Lord or their Messiah and will not do so until Jesus second coming, as recorded in Zech.12:10 ans 14:4-5.

Peter said God is not now a respecter of persons, based on race.

Act 10:34　 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.　
Act 10:35　 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.　
Act 10:36　 The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all—　




The Parable of the Ten Virgins

Mat 25:1　 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.　
Mat 25:2　 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.　
Mat 25:3　 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,　
Mat 25:4　 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.　
Mat 25:5　 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.　
Mat 25:6　 "And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'　
Mat 25:7　 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.　
Mat 25:8　 And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'　
Mat 25:9　 But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'　
Mat 25:10　 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.　
Mat 25:11　 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'　
Mat 25:12　 But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'　
Mat 25:13　 "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.　

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[Quasar92]

they, will be priests of God and of Christ and, will reign

This is what the Scriptures say. Attempts to add or subtract from it is a very serious sin, according to the Scriptures.

Rev.20:6 "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years."


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

Peter said God is not now a respecter of persons, based on race.

Act 10:34　 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.　
Act 10:35　 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.　
Act 10:36　 The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all—　




The Parable of the Ten Virgins

Mat 25:1　 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.　
Mat 25:2　 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.　
Mat 25:3　 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,　
Mat 25:4　 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.　
Mat 25:5　 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.　
Mat 25:6　 "And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'　
Mat 25:7　 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.　
Mat 25:8　 And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'　
Mat 25:9　 But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'　
Mat 25:10　 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.　
Mat 25:11　 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'　
Mat 25:12　 But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'　
Mat 25:13　 "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.　

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None of the above alters the fact that Israel will go through the tribulation, according to Jer.30:7; Dan.9:27 and Zech.12:10 and 14:4-5. While the Church has been caught up to Jesus in the sky and taken to heaven with Him while the tribulation takes place on earth, as recorded in 1 Thess.4:16-17; 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8 together with Jn.14:2-3 and 2; Rev.19:7-8 and 14.

Contrary to your non-Scriptural claims, the Church is not any part of Israel, nor is Israel any part of the Church.


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

Contrary to your non-Scriptural claims, the Church is not any part of Israel, nor is Israel any part of the Church.

If you want to cut the word "Israel" out of Acts 2:36, and Hebrews 8:6-13 in your Bible, then go ahead, but do not expect the rest of us to do the same.

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by the Son of God in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel.

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[Quasar92]

If you want to cut the word "Israel" out of Acts 2:36, and Hebrews 8:6-13 in your Bible, then go ahead, but do not expect the rest of us to do the same.

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by the Son of God in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel.

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Your game of bearing false witness against me is a failure. Prove that I have "left Israel out of Acts." Show me where I made any such claim and cut out the practice of making false statements of what I post to field an otherwise empty wagon.


Quasar89

 

[Quasar92]

If you want to cut the word "Israel" out of Acts 2:36, and Hebrews 8:6-13 in your Bible, then go ahead, but do not expect the rest of us to do the same.

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by the Son of God in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel.

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Prove where I have cut a single thing out of the Scripturally supported views I have posted here. What I have cut out, is the heretic view that the Church is any part of Israel. Capiche?!


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

Prove where I have cut a single thing out of the Scripturally supported views I have posted here. What I have cut out, is the heretic view that the Church is any part of Israel. Capiche?!


Quasar92

Do you mean, again???

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

On the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2:36 Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel". Note the word "Israel" in the verse. Who do you think Peter was talking to when he used the word "Israel"?

The author of the Book of Hebrews copied the text from Jeremiah 31:31-34 word for word and also included the word "Israel" in the text of Hebrews chapter 8.
Who was the author talking about when he used the word "Israel" in Hebrews 8:6-13?

Those who claim that modern Jews will come to salvation outside of the New Covenant Church would be better off not using the word "heretic".

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[Quasar92]

Do you mean, again???

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

On the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2:36 Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel". Note the word "Israel" in the verse. Who do you think Peter was talking to when he used the word "Israel"?

The author of the Book of Hebrews copied the text from Jeremiah 31:31-34 word for word and also included the word "Israel" in the text of Hebrews chapter 8.
Who was the author talking about when he used the word "Israel" in Hebrews 8:6-13?

Those who claim that modern Jews will come to salvation outside of the New Covenant Church would be better off not using the word "heretic".

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Israel, HAS NOT accepted Jesus [the purpose for the new covenant] as their Messiah yet, and ill come to do so at the second coming of Christ, according to Zech.12:10.

The Church, you falsely try making Israel, is a heresy. The Church, consisting of both Jews and Gentiles, will be in heaven for the marriage to the Lamb/Jesus, while the tribulation takes place on earth, according to Rev.19:7-8. Who will also return with Jesus in His second coming to the earth, in Rev.19:14.

You have still proven nothing.


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

Israel, HAS NOT accepted Jesus [the purpose for the new covenant] as their Messiah yet, and ill come to do so at the second coming of Christ, according to Zech.12:10.

The Church, you falsely try making Israel, is a heresy. The Church, consisting of both Jews and Gentiles, will be in heaven for the marriage to the Lamb/Jesus, while the tribulation takes place on earth, according to Rev.19:7-8. Who will also return with Jesus in His second coming to the earth, in Rev.19:14.

You have still proven nothing.


Quasar92

It is very difficult for a person your age, who has been a chief promoter of the doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America, to ever come to admit that their Two Peoples of God doctrine is not scriptural?

It does happen, but it is rare.

In the video below, former Dispensationalist Jerry Johnson reveals how some have come to see the doctrine for what it really is.

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[Quasar92]

It is very difficult for a person your age, who has been a chief promoter of the doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America, to ever come to admit that their Two Peoples of God doctrine is not scriptural?

It does happen, but it is rare.

In the video below, former Dispensationalist Jerry Johnson reveals how some have come to see the doctrine for what it really is.

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FYI, what I promote are the teachings of Jesus and His apostles. the same as that of John Darby, whom you very well ought to take lessons from, instead of those you propagate who teach heresy.

My age has nothing more to do with this issue than does the fact you are unable to understand the heresy you keep promoting, that the Church is Israel. When the difference between them is as plain as the nose on your face. All believers in Jesus Christ belong to His Church, not to Israel. The nation of Israel do not believe Jesus is their Messiah, and wont, until Jesus second coming, in Zech.12:10 and 14:4-5.

Four reasons why Israel and the Church are bot the same

Some Christians attempt to make Israel and the Church one and the same, suggesting that the Church is now heir of all promises given to Israel. But the Church is not Israel, nor is Israel the Church. Those who await the promises of Israel to be filled in the Church will wait in vain. Consider these unique and did
tinctive differences between the two living organisms:

1. They have different originators.

The Lord God brought Israel into being in a unique manner not only in the selection of Abraham and Sarah, but also in the choosing of their son Isaac’s wife to preserve their ethnic identity.

Christ Himself, however, founded His Church, as He promised in Matthew 16:13-20, and sent the Holy Spirit to indwell it.

2. They have different foundations.

Jesus Christ is the living foundation of the Church (1 Corinthians 3:11). He had not yet been born on earth at the time of Israel’s foundation. Actually, the Church could not be established until after Christ died, was buried, rose again, and ascended into heaven. As Paul explained in Ephesians 2:20, Christ Himself is the “chief cornerstone.”

Israel was not founded on the finished work of Christ on the cross but on God’s promises to her, which are still in force and have yet to be fulfilled.

3. They have different purposes.

Israel was never given the Great Commission. She was to be the torchbearer of God’s faithfulness to a nation that worshiped Him and would consequently enjoy His blessings. For most of her history, however, Israel was a testimony to God’s judgment upon sinners, yet she was ever His special nation.

The Church, by contrast, is seen as the lampstand which, according to our Lord’s promise, “the gates of Hades shall not prevail against” (Matthew 16:18). The Church was given the promise and presence of the Holy Spirit with which to fulfill Christ’s great commission (Matthew 28:19-20).

4. Their prophetic futures are different.

The promises of God to Israel revolve around the restoration of the kingdom. After the Reformation, as people began to read the Bible again and take it literally, Christians started to look for the restoration of the Jews into the land of Israel according to Ezekiel 36–37 and other passages.

By contrast, the Church does not look for an earthly kingdom. Whereas Israel seeks nationhood, and rightly so, the Church is awaiting the coming of her Lord to take her to the Father’s house as He promised.

As a general rule, whenever you hear someone preach about Bible prophecy, be sure he uses the two essential keys to understanding Scripture:

1) Interpret the Bible literally (even the prophetic passages of Scripture) unless the context provides good reason to do otherwise.

2) Draw a distinction between Israel and the Church.

Fully endorsed by the following:

1. Frank L. Gaebelein, A.M., Litt.D., Headmaster Emiritus, The Stoney Brook School; 2. William Culbertson, D.D., L.L.D., President, Moody Bible Institute; 3. Charles L. Feinberg, ThD., PhD., Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary; 4. Allan A. Mac Rae, A.M., PhD., President, Biblical School of Theology; 5. Clarence E. Mason, Jr., Th.M., D.D., Dean, Philadelphia College of Bible; 6. Alva J. Mc Clain, Th.M., D.D., President Emeritus, Grace Theological Seminary; 7. Wilbur M. Smith, D.D., Editor, Peloubet's Select Notes; 8. John F. Walvoord, A.M., Th.D., President, Dallas Theological Seminary; 9. C.I. Scofield, D.D., Editor, Scofield Bible; 10. Editorial Committee Chairman, J. E. Schuyler English, Litt.D.

Chuck Missler, Koinonia House, Charles Stanley, Baptist minister, Zola Levitt, Levitt's Ministries, Miles Weiss, Zola Levitt's Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Jew's For Jesus Org., David Bickner, Jew's For Jesus Org., Mitch Glaser, His Chosen People Minisries Dwight Pentecost, Dean at Dallas Theological Seminary, Harold Wilmington, Dean at Liberty Seminary, Arno Froese, Editor and CEO of Midnight Call Ministries, Thomas Ice, PhD., Author, Jack Van Impe, TV Ministry, Tim Le Haye, Author, Jerry Fallwell, Baptist minister, Billie Graham, TV ministry, Franklin Graham, TV ministry, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. Wilfred Hahn, Dave Hunt, Ed Decker and Dr. Norbert Lieth.


Quasar92

 

[jgr]

Those who await the promises of Israel to be filled in the Church will wait in vain.

In the New Testament, all promises are fulfilled in Christ.

The OT promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following, or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void.

We see the new promissory clauses of God's New Will and Testament in:

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

and other scriptures. In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

Additional promissory clauses in:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

make us who are in Christ joint heirs with Him.


But there are no promissory clauses for anyone who is not in Christ.

 

[Amazing Horse]

If there is no millenium then why do you pray for it in Lord's prayer ?

 

[BABerean2]

If there is no millenium then why do you pray for it in Lord's prayer ?

 

[LastSeven]

Quite right. That is precisely the point. 8.5 million citizens of Israel, have not believed/received Jesus, as either their Lord or their Messiah and will not do so until Jesus second coming, as recorded in Zech.12:10 ans 14:4-5.
Quasar92

So then also all the millions of Jews who have died during the last 2000 years without accepting Christ. Do you think they will be saved? Obviously not, and the point that Bab made was that continuing to tell the Jews that they don't need to accept Christ is literally encouraging them to go straight to their deaths without salvation as millions have already done.

 

[LastSeven]

If there is no millenium then why do you pray for it in Lord's prayer ?

I must've missed that. Where does the Lord's prayer mention the thousand years?

 

[LastSeven]

Review Jesus second coming to the earth in Zech.14:5 and in Rev.19:11-21, when He comes to fight the battle of Armageddon, ending the tribulation. And in Rev.20:6 where He will reign on earth for 1,000 years, where He will build the Millennial temple described in Zech.6:12-13 and in Ez.40-47.


Quasar92

Let me repeat with bolding this time in case you missed it the first time. None of those examples say that Jesus will physically reign on this old earth.

Did you catch that? You can find all kinds of scriptures that say Jesus will reign on earth sure, but not a single one of them says he will reign on this old earth. You can also find plenty of scriptures to indicate that Jesus reigns prior to the new earth, but not a single one of those says that he reigns by being physically present on this old earth.

So you have to literally make assumptions to make your doctrine work. That's not how I study the Bible.

 

[LastSeven]

The Bible says this period will be a time of perfect peace.

No, it doesn't. And you can't prove that it does because it doesn't say that.

 

[Amazing Horse]

I must've missed that. Where does the Lord's prayer mention the thousand years?

"Thy Kingdom Come"

If it has to come that mean it has not come yet .
Revelation 20:7 is the thousand years pass after Satan is bound . For prison to exist there must be place where this prison is right .

 

[BABerean2]

"Thy Kingdom Come"

If it has to come that mean it has not come yet .

Mat_12:28　 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Did He cast out devils during the first century?

There is both a present and a future aspect to the kingdom.

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