Creationist's turn

[lithium.]

Evolutionist are always being told proof that evolution is real, and happened. Well why don't anyone say prove that the creation of the bible is happened? And that it happened, and show evidence for it.

LOL prove Genesis version of Creation please.

 

[Orihalcon]

a few arguments that i find to be either wrong or not acceptable:
1. faith proves all
2. we are here, therefore genesis happened
3. evolution does not explain every single thing, therefore genesis happened
4. it says so in the bible
5. Kent Hovind

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by seesaw
prove Genesis version of Creation please.

Genesis 1:1
    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Heaven here means the atmosphere. We know that there is a earth and a atmosphere. So we know that this much of the Bible is true. Unless you want to dispute that there is a earth.

Genesis 1:3
    And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

We know that there is light, in fact we know quite a bit about the light spectrum. So we know this is true.

Genesis 1:5
    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

We know that there is night and day, so again, the Bible has told us something we know to be true.

Perhaps you do not disagree with the effect, you question the cause. If God is not the cause, then what do you suggest is the cause of the effect of there being a earth, with an atmosphere, light as well as night and day.


 

 

[Orihalcon]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Genesis 1:1
    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Heaven here means the atmosphere. We know that there is a earth and a atmosphere. So we know that this much of the Bible is true. Unless you want to dispute that there is a earth.

1.  earth exists.  ok... we're on step one.  therefore god created it?  hm... you kind of jumped fifty steps there...
2.  i will now say this:
     "Let not your eyes droop wearily, for I shall bring forth the beverage of rejuvenation: and ho! there was Starbucks."
is that the story of how starbucks was founded?  why not?  i wrote it down. what if i added another hundred pages to it, labeled it CafeoGenesis, and printed it as a book?  will it be true then?

Genesis 1:3
    And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

We know that there is light, in fact we know quite a bit about the light spectrum. So we know this is true.

Genesis 1:5
    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

We know that there is night and day, so again, the Bible has told us something we know to be true.

1.  so, light electromagnetic waves exist, therefore an omnipotent being created it.
2.  god created the earth before the sun?  is there proof?
3.  where did the light come from anyway?  there's no sun mentioned.  was it due to a hydrogen fusion reaction roughly 100 million miles away or was everything glowing or something?
4.  we have names for night and day, therefore it was god who gave it to us.  we also have names for a robotic pet dog, it's called Aibo.  i bet god gave us that too.

Perhaps you do not disagree with the effect, you question the cause. If God is not the cause, then what do you suggest is the cause of the effect of there being a earth, with an atmosphere, light as well as night and day.

i thought that was the whole point of the exercise.  all you've said so far is that things exist, therefore everything was created by god.  check your logic again.  we are not disputing if things exist or not, we are determining the origins.

 

[Superman53142]

Aie, this will be almost as pointless as the many "prove evolution" threads

There must be something more to life than trying to prove that creation/evolution happened. Oh wait, there is

 

[Faithful1]

Well said Superman.

Faithful1

 

[Orihalcon]

there also must be more to life than visiting these forums. why are you here at all?

 

[Superman53142]

Originally posted by Orihalcon
there also must be more to life than visiting these forums. why are you here at all?

I like to find out about new music releases, good books to read, etc., and quite frequently people will mention these things when posting, especially in the "Christian Review" topic. That's one of the major reasons I come here. As for my posts in this topic, I just happened to wander in to see what it's all about

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Orihalcon
1.  earth exists.  ok... we're on step one.  therefore god created it?  hm... you kind of jumped fifty steps there... 

That is not 50 steps, there is an intellegent design, so there had to be an intellegent designer.

The theory of evolution after just a few years has had so many holes shot in it, because so many things have proven themselves NOT to be true. But the Bible remains true after thousands of years. Not one tiny part of it has ever been proven not to be true.

Even evolution itself, what little remains of it, points toward an intellegent designer. It is just built into the fiber of nature, that lies and falsehoods expose themselves as not being true. To deny God is to deny the whole scientific premise that over time, things that are not true, show themselves not to be true.

 

[Athlon4all]

I agree with Superman. The reason for a Biblical Creationist's believing what he does is by faith, which the Atheistic Evolutionist's cannot accept because it contradicts their own faith in evolution. Correct me if I'm wrong evolutionist's, but you want proof in what "science" shows right? Well here's the thing. Every single scientist is influenced by his/her own personal bias. If I a Biblical Creationst is looking at some fossil site, side by side with an evolutionist, we will both get 2 different views out of that "evidence". The Biblical Creationist will see it supporting Creation, the Evolutionist will see it suupporting Evolution. Why? Bias. and the only One who can change the bias/faith of an unbeliever is the Holy Spirit.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

If someone proved Creation as the Bible states, you would have no choice about your beliefs, right?

 

[Corey]

[Editted for spelling errors.]

Originally posted by JohnR7
That is not 50 steps, there is an intellegent design, so there had to be an intellegent designer.

Yeah...intelligent design. Please tell me then why human males have a gland prone to swelling around a vital excretory tube? Why do humans the so-called pinnacle of creation have eyes that are inferior to those of cephalopods, with the retina prone to falling off and a blind spot?

The theory of evolution after just a few years has had so many holes shot in it, because so many things have proven themselves NOT to be true. But the Bible remains true after thousands of years. Not one tiny part of it has ever been proven not to be true.

Really, John? Based on what I've seen of your knowledge of evolutionary theory and biology, you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

Even evolution itself, what little remains of it, points toward an intellegent designer.

See comments above. Based on what we see in actual biology and anatomy, the "intelligent" designer is a complete moron.

It is just built into the fiber of nature, that lies and falsehoods expose themselves as not being true. To deny God is to deny the whole scientific premise that over time, things that are not true, show themselves not to be true.

Yup. Things like "intelligent" design, Duane Gish, and all of the other creation "scientists."

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Originally posted by Athlon4all
Every single scientist is influenced by his/her own personal bias.

This is why studies are peer-reviewed and carefully scrutinized before being published.

If I a Biblical Creationst is looking at some fossil site, side by side with an evolutionist, we will both get 2 different views out of that "evidence". The Biblical Creationist will see it supporting Creation, the Evolutionist will see it suupporting Evolution.

The Biblical Creationist, then, is not a scientist, but a person finding only the evidence that fits the conclusion the creationist has in his/her mind in the first place. That is, the conclusion has already been made before the evidence is examined. That's not science.

Furthermore, since the supernatural is not in the realm of science, I'd think it's fair to say that the theory of evolution is the best scientific theory that explains all available evidence without some appeal to the supernatural for which there is zero evidence.

 

[Warrior FC]

Science was created by God, God was not created by science!

It's absolutely amazing!

Man takes the brain (that God gave him) and uses it to push God out of the scene to promote and make science their new god!

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
Science was created by God, God was not created by science!

It's absolutely amazing!

Man takes the brain (that God gave him) and uses it to push God out of the scene to promote and make science their new god!

WOW you are wrong lol sorry. But humans created science. YAYA humans, and science. LOL

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
Science was created by God, God was not created by science!

It's absolutely amazing!

Man takes the brain (that God gave him) and uses it to push God out of the scene to promote and make science their new god!

Do you even know what science is?

The scientific method was created by HUMANS, not your God.

...and last time I checked, I don't worship "science" or consider it a "creator" as most religions characterize "god".

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

You are neglecting the many thousands of scientists (paleontologists included) who are devout christians - and yet manage to find supporting evidence for evolution.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Mechanical Bliss

...and last time I checked, I don't worship "science" or consider it a "creator" as most religions characterize "god".

So science can't explain Creation?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by s0uljah
So science can't explain Creation?

Depends on what you mean by "creation" and "explain". Science doesn't have an answer to the question "what is the exact reason for which the universe came into being". That doesn't mean that any system which provides an answer is better; the answer could be wrong.

Imagine, if you will, a time when science cannot explain thunder and lightning. If some guy says "Oh, don't be stupid, I can explain that, it's Thor driving his chariot across the sky", the mere fact that there *is* an explanation doesn't make it the true one!

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by seebs
Depends on what you mean by "creation" and "explain". Science doesn't have an answer to the question "what is the exact reason for which the universe came into being". That doesn't mean that any system which provides an answer is better; the answer could be wrong.

Imagine, if you will, a time when science cannot explain thunder and lightning. If some guy says "Oh, don't be stupid, I can explain that, it's Thor driving his chariot across the sky", the mere fact that there *is* an explanation doesn't make it the true one!

seebs-

He was saying that he doesn't elevate science to the status of creator, so I was wondering what he does credit it to, if not some sort of God.