Creationist's turn

[Stormy]

Originally posted by Corey


Yeah...intelligent design. Please tell me then why human males have a gland prone to swelling around a vital excretory tube? Why do humans the so-called pinnacle of creation have eyes that are inferior to those of cephalopods, with the retina prone to falling off and a blind spot.

See comments above. Based on what we see in actual biology and anatomy, the "intelligent" designer is a complete moron.

Corey it is comments such as yours that fuel the misunderstanding.

You think that intelligence could not decide to create by causing nature to evolve.

Notice the word causing in the previous statement.

That is what Science without God is lacking... cause

Science can also not give reason to life.

The why of this life can not be answered by Science.

Some of us are truly blessed for we are able to see Science and still KNOW God.

My prayers are to those who have not yet mastered this aspect of our existence.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by Stormy
That is what Science without God is lacking... cause

Science can also not give reason to life.

The why of this life can not be answered by Science.

Some of us are truly blessed for we are able to see Science and still KNOW God.

My prayers are to those who have not yet mastered this aspect of our existence.

Apples and oranges, Stormy. Science is "lacking" cause and reason because pure science is not concerned with cause and reason in the philosophical sense.

That's like saying that the dictionary is "lacking" my Uncle Bob's phone number. If I wanted the phone number, I'd look in a phone book, not a dictionary.

You assume that everything happens for a reason, and that God provides that reason, am I right? (correct me if I'm wrong)

Now, without getting into a debate of the truth or falsity of that belief, tell me why you believe in a "reason" for existence.

Before you answer:

There's no point answering that God, the Holy Spirit, or the Bible says so, because the question then becomes, why did you listen to them?

Must everything have a philosophical reason for being the way it is, or can some things "just happen?"

If some things can "just happen," then how do we know for certian what "just happened" and what has a meaning? (No points for claiming "The Holy Spirit tells us.)


Science does not concern itself with such philosophical issues. Does this mean the scientific point of view provides no meaning for life? Yes, but only because it does not bother to ask the question. Save it for the philosophers.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Nathan Poe
Apples and oranges, Stormy. Science is "lacking" cause and reason because pure science is not concerned with cause and reason in the philosophical sense. 

Nonsense. If we tried to answer a question like this by sweeping it under the carpet, you guys would be all over us to give you an answer. We have every right to demand from you, what you demand from us, an answer to the question.

The question is simple: If evolution is the effect, then what is the cause?

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Corey
See comments above. Based on what we see in actual biology and anatomy, the "intelligent" designer is a complete moron.

No reason to answer this one. God is more than able to defend Himself, He does not need my help. You do not mind if I keep a little bit of distance between you and me for my own protection do you? Because when all hell breaks loose I do not want to be anywhere near you.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Stormy
Science can also not give reason to life. 

Is it a part of Science to give us reason for life? That really is what theology is all about. I thought science was just to give us a observation or explaination on how life could have come into being. Or just to tell us more about the universe we live in.

 

[Stormy]

Now, without getting into a debate of the truth or falsity of that belief, tell me why you believe in a "reason" for existence.

On a clear night look to the sky. Notice the vastness of our Universe. It is beautiful... but in reality it is dead.

"Nothing" is so much more common and practical than "Something".

The law of nature will also confirm that without direction...

deterioration and chaos would be the norm.

But instead we are blessed with a fruitful planet that supports life abundantly.

The reason is God.

It is his plan that people use this time to learn. Not only of their Physical nature but also their Spiritual nature.

Be all that you can be. Grow in wisdom, intelligence and LOVE.

This is at best a reason for you to believe. But my reasons are far more advanced, miraculous and complicated.

 

[Orihalcon]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Nonsense. If we tried to answer a question like this by sweeping it under the carpet, you guys would be all over us to give you an answer. We have every right to demand from you, what you demand from us, an answer to the question.

The question is simple: If evolution is the effect, then what is the cause?

answer to the question: random mutations during DNA replication

we sweep it under the carpet because it is irrelevant, it is not something science does.  it doesn't give people a reason to live or die.  it gives observations and facts.  you could just call a car worthless because it can't talk.  or you could use it for what it is meant to do.

a very irrelevant question i could pose to you would be, do you know my phone number?  no?  does that mean your connection with god is not strong enough to give you the answer?  does it mean god is not real/worthless/doesn't care?  obviously not.  knowing my telephone number has nothing to do with religion, same as trying to find reasons for living through science.

 

[lithium.]

I'm still waiting for evidence, and proof for the bibles verison of creation.

I will just ask IGGY he is the best.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by seesaw
I'm still waiting for evidence, and proof for the bibles verison of creation.

I will just ask IGGY he is the best.

Wow, I think I may have a genuine convert to Iggism!

Drat, that means I probably need to come up with some rules now...

 

[unworthyone]

Originally posted by seebs
My guess is that the answer is "I don't know". That was always my answer when I didn't believe in God, and it's a perfectly reasonable answer.

Of things I have had no explanation for, and later found an explanation, most have not been explained by "God did it".

Heh. The way I see it, God is that answer, whatever that answer might be.

God is that answer that replaces the unknown just as good as "the unknown" fills it. Equally viable positions. He is that truth, whatever it may be.

 

[Orihalcon]

i've recently begun worshipping a deity of essay writing... still have yet to build any shrine, but got about 8 lines of holy text going... =D

aahrg, my essay's due tomorrow! blaa;wlwekfhaweoiaatathateh *brain function ceased*

 

[Orihalcon]

Originally posted by unworthyone
God is that answer that replaces the unknown just as good as "the unknown" fills it. Equally viable positions. He is that truth, whatever it may be.

the way i see, it 'the unknown' has yet to be discovered and explained.  giving the answer as god kind of says... it's done, it's over, look no further because this is as far as the answer goes.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by unworthyone
Heh. The way I see it, God is that answer, whatever that answer might be.

God is that answer that replaces the unknown just as good as "the unknown" fills it. Equally viable positions. He is that truth, whatever it may be.

Allow me to demonstrate Poe's Law of Theology. If I don't, seesaw will:

Iggy the Magic Elf is that answer that replaces the unknown just as good as "God" fills it. Equally viable positions. Iggy is the truth, whatever it may be.

 

[unworthyone]

Originally posted by Nathan Poe
Allow me to demonstrate Poe's Law of Theology. If I don't, seesaw will:

Iggy the Magic Elf is that answer that replaces the unknown just as good as "God" fills it. Equally viable positions. Iggy is the truth, whatever it may be.

YEP!

Its still "the answer" regardless of what ya call it!

 

[unworthyone]

Originally posted by Orihalcon
the way i see, it 'the unknown' has yet to be discovered and explained.  giving the answer as god kind of says... it's done, it's over, look no further because this is as far as the answer goes.

No I'm sorry. God said to get some knowledge. Learn. Thats what I am doing.....as requested. (I like it too.)