Creationists should abstain

[Rudolph Hucker]

I'm opting for putting all the non-creationist guys on my ignore list.
Great idea laptoppop.

Yep, good plan, but be careful not to read the "quotes" in posts.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

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i used to post on a secular archaeology board and one of the things you learn there is that archaeologists, like evolutionists, work from very miniscule information (the majority is still buried or destroyed) and build fanciful theories and conclusions from such minute details, like evolutionists, then proclaim such conclusions when it doesn't have a shredof hope being based inrelaity.

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Since you have mentioned that board Archie, this is not off topic.

Would like me to post a link to a couple of your threads?

 

[laptoppop]

Since you have mentioned that board Archie, this is not off topic.

yes it is.

Would like me to post a link to a couple of your threads?

no.

 

[Jase]

I'm opting for putting all the non-creationist guys on my ignore list.
Great idea laptoppop.

Yeah, I'm sure Jesus would fully support putting all your fellow Christians on ignore because you disagree on one book in the Bible that has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. Somebody needs to get their priorities in order and stop playing the persecuted creationist card. It's getting old.

 

[theIdi0t]

You have not expressed anything remotely similar to a Biblical doctrine and yet you are a Christian according to you and CF. To put this in Biblical terms, many are called (ecclesia 'church'=called out ones) few are chosen.

In other words, "I'm chosen and everyone else is not", or in other words "I'm first, and everyone else is last."

Luke 18:

"Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.

The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, 'O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity--greedy, dishonest, adulterous--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.'

But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, 'O God, be merciful to me a sinner.'

I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted."

And the first shall be last, and the last shall be first. We should always see ourselves as the least worthy among all, and not boast of ourselves as the pharisees do.

 

[archaeologist]

the Bible that has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.

actually it does. if you do not believe God in genesis how are you going to believe His Son when He says 'i go prepare a place for you?'

salvation, Christianity is not cherry picking, where you get to choose what you want to believe and toss out all the rest or change it into allegory or a metaphor to suit your unbelief.

 

[Assyrian]

So what do you do when the same Son of God said he was the bread of life? or that a loaf of bread was his body? From talking to you you do not approve of the Catholic Church, yet they are the ones who refuse to label these verses as allegory.

 

[HypnoToad]

Yeah, I'm sure Jesus would fully support putting all your fellow Christians on ignore because you disagree on one book in the Bible that has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. Somebody needs to get their priorities in order and stop playing the persecuted creationist card. It's getting old.

It's likely not done simply because of "disagreement", but rather from the near-constant condescension creationists get from the TE's.

 

[Jase]

actually it does. if you do not believe God in genesis how are you going to believe His Son when He says 'i go prepare a place for you?'

salvation, Christianity is not cherry picking, where you get to choose what you want to believe and toss out all the rest or change it into allegory or a metaphor to suit your unbelief.

So you believe the Sun revolves around the Earth, the Earth has 4 corners, and sits atop pillars?

 

[Jase]

It's likely not done simply because of "disagreement", but rather from the near-constant condescension creationists get from the TE's.

I actually find creationists to be much more condescending of TE's than the other way around. TE's criticize creationists for their logic and scientific knowledge. Creationists criticize TE's by calling them anti-Christian and Satanists. Which is worse?

 

[HypnoToad]

I actually find creationists to be much more condescending of TE's than the other way around. TE's criticize creationists for their logic and scientific knowledge. Creationists criticize TE's by calling them anti-Christian and Satanists. Which is worse?

I'd say you have a rather selective recollection, then. In recent days, creationists have been labeled as stupid, charlatans, and terrorists, to name a few. Some are a bit more creative, and like to use thinly-veiled jabs like evolution is "accepted" while creation is "believed".

 

[Jase]

I'd say you have a rather selective recollection, then. In recent days, creationists have been labeled as stupid, charlatans, and terrorists, to name a few. Some are a bit more creative, and like to use thinly-veiled jabs like evolution is "accepted" while creation is "believed".

And again, which is worse, being called unChristian or satanic, or being called stupid? Creationists often like to throw out the "lean not on your own understanding" verse to imply that ignorance is actually preferred, so being called ignorant apparently isn't an insult.

 

[HypnoToad]

And again, which is worse, being called unChristian or satanic, or being called stupid?

There's that selective memory again. You pick out "stupid", but go right by "charlatan" and "terrorist". If someone were to actually be a "charlatan" or "terrorist", then they are certainly being unchristian, aren't they?

Creationists often like to throw out the "lean not on your own understanding" verse to imply that ignorance is actually preferred, so being called ignorant apparently isn't an insult.

There's a difference between "stupid" and "ignorant". There's also a difference between being ignorant of knowledge and not leaning on that knowledge.

 

[HypnoToad]

Back to the OP, though. Perhaps we should go. The level of contempt and condescension towards creationists has started to really soar the last week or so.

 

[Floodnut]

We had an "agenda"? No way! The only thing I ever did around here was to try to help people whom I thought were wrong see where they were wrong. (And get rather nasty at times.) I never knew we had a plan to do all this.

If we're this effective and deadly all working on our bumbling own selves, imagine what would happen if we actually did get an agenda going the way MK says we have. How's about it?

Shemren said:
"The only thing I ever did around here was to try to help people whom I thought were wrong see where they were wrong"

THIS is an agenda of coming into the CREATIONIST Subfora to oppose and attack the Creationist view point. AND in TE Double speak it is "not an agenda." Like we said, it is now open season on Creationist, exactly in line with the TE Agenda.

 

[Floodnut]

Yeah, I'm sure Jesus would fully support putting all your fellow Christians on ignore because you disagree on one book in the Bible that has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. Somebody needs to get their priorities in order and stop playing the persecuted creationist card. It's getting old.

I wonder which book of the Bible has absolutely nothing to do with Salvation. And I wonder why, if there was such a book, why it might be deemed OK to hold an incorrect view of said book, and I wonder why such an unimportant book would be so often quoted in sections that everyone would count as having everything to do with Salvation. According to Paul Genesis tells us WHY we need to be saved, and Genesis makes the first predictions of the Coming Savior and First declares that SALVATION would come through the Seed (not seeds) of Abraham. Lots in there that is foundational and essential to Salvation. AND it was already OLD before it started getting OLD to you. Creation in six days is the original inspired and inerrant revelation of God that is echoed in the last book of the Bible also.
And we will continue to assert that the TEs come in here to persecute us and mock the Truth of God holding and promoting instead a lie of man, the theory of Evolution which worships and exalts the CREATION above the Creator who is blessed forever. And lots of so-called TEs are not even TEs, but merely E's.

 

[Jase]

I wonder which book of the Bible has absolutely nothing to do with Salvation. And I wonder why, if there was such a book, why it might be deemed OK to hold an incorrect view of said book, and I wonder why such an unimportant book would be so often quoted in sections that everyone would count as having everything to do with Salvation. According to Paul Genesis tells us WHY we need to be saved, and Genesis makes the first predictions of the Coming Savior and First declares that SALVATION would come through the Seed (not seeds) of Abraham. Lots in there that is foundational and essential to Salvation. AND it was already OLD before it started getting OLD to you. Creation in six days is the original inspired and inerrant revelation of God that is echoed in the last book of the Bible also.

No actually it isn't. Which is why most Jews, those who read it in its original language, fully accept an allegorical approach to Genesis.

And we will continue to assert that the TEs come in here to persecute us and mock the Truth of God holding and promoting instead a lie of man, the theory of Evolution which worships and exalts the CREATION above the Creator who is blessed forever. And lots of so-called TEs are not even TEs, but merely E's.

The same can be said of Creationists. Creationists worship a book over God and make God look like a deceiver by pretending all of his creation is one giant illusion.

 

[laptoppop]

Please take it to the OT forum. This one is for discussing creationism.

 

[Floodnut]

No actually it isn't. Which is why most Jews, those who read it in its original language, fully accept an allegorical approach to Genesis.

The same can be said of Creationists. Creationists worship a book over God and make God look like a deceiver by pretending all of his creation is one giant illusion.

At least here in this post you have deigned to use "CREATIONIST" in its normal sense, even though you mock us here in our own forum.

 

[busterdog]

I wonder which book of the Bible has absolutely nothing to do with Salvation. And I wonder why, if there was such a book, why it might be deemed OK to hold an incorrect view of said book, and I wonder why such an unimportant book would be so often quoted in sections that everyone would count as having everything to do with Salvation. According to Paul Genesis tells us WHY we need to be saved, and Genesis makes the first predictions of the Coming Savior and First declares that SALVATION would come through the Seed (not seeds) of Abraham. Lots in there that is foundational and essential to Salvation. AND it was already OLD before it started getting OLD to you. Creation in six days is the original inspired and inerrant revelation of God that is echoed in the last book of the Bible also.
And we will continue to assert that the TEs come in here to persecute us and mock the Truth of God holding and promoting instead a lie of man, the theory of Evolution which worships and exalts the CREATION above the Creator who is blessed forever. And lots of so-called TEs are not even TEs, but merely E's.

If you look at the very name of God, first revealed in Exodus, YHWH, you have the representation of the crucifixion, "Hands Behold, Nails Behold." Since the Old T. existed prior to Jesus, and since the Old T. has been preserved by Jews since Jesus, you wonder what kind of Jewish human being it was that dreamed up this particular man-made conspiracy. Or was it simply the Holy Ghost?

Inerrancy rejectors, take notice. And have a caution.