Creationists: can you explain post-Flood repopulation?

[AV1611VET]

A rapidly expanding population cannot produce lots of moderately rare genetic variation.

How do you know?

Are bacteria, which produce a new species every nine hours, compatible?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do you know?

Are bacteria, which produce a new species every nine hours, compatible?

Bacteria are not used for this conclusion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Bacteria are not used for this conclusion.

Of course not.

Bacteria are coded differently, aren't they?

That way, scientists who adhere to Linnaeus' classification system don't have to work overtime trying to keep up with assigning binomials every nine hours.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

A rapidly expanding population cannot produce lots of moderately rare genetic variation.

Genetic diversity (individual differences) was programmed into man at creation. What science is observing is that trait playing out. If I was a creator I would make sure my people were individuals right out of the womb, not lab rats.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Genetic diversity (individual differences) was programmed into man at creation. What science is observing is that trait playing out. If I was a creator I would make sure my people were individuals right out of the womb, not lab rats.

Sorry, you can't program in genetic diversity. Six individuals will have very limited diversity, especially if three of them are brothers.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, you can't program in genetic diversity. Six individuals will have very limited diversity, especially if three of them are brothers.

Let me get this straight.

Are you saying, for example, that Shem's kidneys, if given to Japheth, would not be rejected by Japheth?

 

[sfs]

How do you know?

It's my job to know things like that. You tell me how, if you think there's a way.

Are bacteria, which produce a new species every nine hours, compatible?

You mean, are they compatible with you? Or with what? (Also, the new species every nine hours strikes me as something somebody made up.)

 

[sfs]

Of course not.

Bacteria are coded differently, aren't they?

That way, scientists who adhere to Linnaeus' classification system don't have to work overtime trying to keep up with assigning binomials every nine hours.

I thought you were bowing out? What you're posting still has nothing to do with the problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let me get this straight.

Are you saying, for example, that Shem's kidneys, if given to Japheth, would not be rejected by Japheth?

No, they may have very well rejected each other's organs. But give them a few generations and the average number of differences would have dropped immensely. The constant inbreeding in early generations would have meant that the descendants would all have more of the brothers different genes shared among them. Shem's genes would not have stuck with only his descendants unless his kids only mated with each other. The genes of your scenario would have come from only 5 people with two of them very heavily emphasized. It would leave a massive population bottleneck in our genome. It simply does not exist.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's my job to know things like that. You tell me how, if you think there's a way.

I don't know how.

But thanks to Subduction Zone (not you), I know what genetic diversity is now; or at least have a superficial idea.

It's a fact today that donated organs are considered intruders.

Perhaps it's always been that way?

Would Shem's kidneys have been rejected by Ham or Japheth?

If so, then what's the problem?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, they may have very well rejected each other's organs. But give them a few generations and the average number of differences would have dropped immensely. The constant inbreeding in early generations would have meant that the descendants would all have more of the brothers different genes shared among them. Shem's genes would not have stuck with only his descendants unless his kids only mated with each other. The genes of your scenario would have come from only 5 people with two of them very heavily emphasized. It would leave a massive population bottleneck in our genome. It simply does not exist.

This stuff is all over my head, but I'm getting the impression you're saying that Shem, the father of the Jews & Asians & American Indians; and Ham, the father of the Africans; and Japheth, the father of the Europeans, all hung around together inbreeding?

And if this inbreeding solves the organ-rejection problem, can "Hitler's kids" all donate their organs to each other without any rejections?

 

[Subduction Zone]

This stuff is all over my head, but I'm getting the impression you're saying that Shem, the father of the Jews & Asians & American Indians; and Ham, the father of the Africans; and Japheth, the father of the Europeans, all hung around together inbreeding?

And if this inbreeding solves the organ-rejection problem, can "Hitler's kids" all donate their organs to each other without any rejections?

The problem is that it can't solve the inbreeding problem. In fact the population after the Ark was so small that it is clear that the race would have died out. Ask sfs nicely and he may be able to explain it to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ask sfs nicely and he may be able to explain it to you.

Forget it.

You guys can lose sleep over it.

I've got more pressing problems.

Like when my pizza's gonna get here.

Today's science: nature's natural insomnia.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Forget it.

You guys can lose sleep over it.

I've got more pressing problems.

Like when my pizza's gonna get here.

Today's science: nature's natural insomnia.

Why should we lose sleep over it. It is simply more evidence that shows that you are wrong. But then you were shown to be wrong over 200 years ago. Your side can't seem to keep up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why should we lose sleep over it.

Well, if you're not gonna lose any sleep over it, I sure ain't!

You don't see me asking others here to explain the Flood in light of genetic inbreeding, do you?

Science causes people to doubt the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, if you're not gonna lose any sleep over it, I sure ain't!

You don't see me asking others here to explain the Flood in light of genetic inbreeding, do you?

Science causes people to doubt the Bible.

That is because it would once again debunk the Flood and you don't want that.

And no, education causes people to doubt the Bible. Science shows that those doubts were correct.

That is why so many Bible believers are advocates for ignorance.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is because it would once again debunk the Flood and you don't want that.

Only on paper.

Tell you what:

You say no Flood, I say Flood.

How about we let God break the tie?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only on paper.

Tell you what:

You say no Flood, I say Flood.

How about we let God break the tie?

Wrong again AV, and you are being rather hypocritical again. The Bible is only written on paper. In application if fails continually.

And if you even want to claim a God exists the burden of proof is upon you to do so. So far you have offered nothing here.

 

[AV1611VET]

And if you even want to claim a God exists the burden of proof is upon you to do so.

And if you want to claim He doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on you as well.

Tell you what:

I'll claim God exists.

If you want to claim He doesn't exist, how about we let God break the tie?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And if you want to claim He doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on you as well.

Tell you what:

I'll claim God exists.

If you want to claim He doesn't exist, how about we let God break the tie?

No, I want to know whether a god exists or not. Here is a honest question for you: If a god exists shouldn't there be some sort of reliable evidence for this god?


Once again, if you want to claim that a god exists the burden of proof is upon you. To be able to use Boolean algebra you need to know how to use logic. If you can't use logic then you have no Boolean claims.