Creationists: can you explain post-Flood repopulation?

[Queller]

This is a basic worldview of those who embrace atheistic Darwinist creationism. And it's the worldview which is being covertly promoted in our schools.

No, it isn't. But you go on thinking whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[sandybay]

Imagine the heartache, pain and torment religion is causing some young people, not to mention their ruined lives.

It ruined my life, the life of drinking, smoking, and womanizing. Thank you Lord for "ruining" my life.

I was referring to young women having unwanted babies because they had not been given sex education or told about contraception because of their parents religious hang ups about sex, but you being a needy Christian you twisted it for your own purposes.

 

[dad]

The myth of an eternal life is one thing but the destruction of young lives in the here and now is quite another.

Eternal life is proven. Moses and Elijah appeared with a man who was to be observed risen from the dead. Public education is involved in the promotion of death and drugs and destruction of babies and lives.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I was referring to young women having unwanted babies because they had not been given sex education or told about contraception because of their parents religious hang ups about sex, but you being a needy Christian you twisted it for your own purposes.

Do "young women" not know where babies come from? Come on.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I guarantee you that the chickens have no trouble telling each other apart and I would be that they think we all look alike.

I'm not a chicken.

I could identify individuals by their behavior, not their appearance.

Not to mention that humans don't necessarily do that great at discerning differences in features, especially concerning people of different races. It's called the cross-race effect.

From across the street maybe, but up close individual differences are quite obvious regardless of race. Of course I have the advantage of being around people of different races all the time.

 

[KWCrazy]

How did 8 people produce enough food for 38 people?

Today, 10% feed 90%. When you pick berries, do you only pick enough for yourself? Do you plant only what you intend to eat? Do you butcher a steer, eat one steak and discard the rest to let others fend for themselves? The children can help out in the gardens after about 7 or 8 years, as has been the way of life for many years.

What's the reason for the sudden drop in birth rate? Because you want it to happen because otherwise your number get ridiculous very quickly?

No, because I don't need the elevated birth rates to prove the point, and I left room for naysayers to bring death and infant mortality into the picture. besides. If a woman lifes 600 years, how many children could she birth? Assuming only half of her life she is able to have children (less than today) that could lead to incredible numbers. Population growth is NOT a problem.

BTW, I can make up anything I want to have the population work out.

Absolutely. That eliminates the nonsense that 8 people couldn't have repopulated the earth though, doesn't it?

Doesn't mean that whatever I make up is reasonable and supported by evidence.

What evidence would you expect to find about birth/death rates from that era? Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Eternal life is proven.

That would be quite a headline, if it were true.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When you say you raised chickens, I assume you meant you had chicken houses. By that I mean you had lots and lots of chickens and not just a couple dozen. I grew up with a few dozen chickens around at all times and I most certainly knew which one was which. We also had a couple hundred head of cattle on average and I could differentiate between each one. Hell, my mother can still tell which guinea is which.

I had 100 New Hampshire laying hens, and I raised 50 Rock Cornish crosses at a time for meat. I could identify some individuals by their behaviors but not by their appearance.

 

[sfs]

Absolutely. That eliminates the nonsense that 8 people couldn't have repopulated the earth though, doesn't it?

The problem originally posed was to explain how 8 people could have repopulated the earth and produced the human diversity we see. That problem hasn't been solved.

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem originally posed was to explain how 8 people could have repopulated the earth and produced the human diversity we see. That problem hasn't been solved.

Not solved by whom? scientists?

No argument there.

Theologians have done it for you:

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What do you think that blessing was in the form of?

Hint: The answer is in the verse.

Octomom would have been envious.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't'cha just hate it, sfs, when someone throws a Bible verse right into the middle of a scientific conundrum?

Kinda takes the momentum out of it, doesn't it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not solved by whom? scientists?

No argument there.

Theologians have done it for you:

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What do you think that blessing was in the form of?

Hint: The answer is in the verse.

Octomom would have been envious.

It is not the numbers that creationists cannot explain, it is the genetic diversity of man. Creationists have no explanation for that.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is not the numbers that creationists cannot explain, it is the genetic diversity of man.

I have no idea what "genetic diversity of man is."

Assuming it has something to do with genes, I assume Mamba Natural takes care of that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have no idea what "genetic diversity of man is."

Assuming it has something to do with genes, I assume Mamba Natural takes care of that?

If you don't know the wise course is to try to learn.

Cheetahs are not nearly as diverse as genetically diverse as man is. You know the terrible waits that can people have to sometimes go on when they need a replacement organ. That is due to the genetic diversity of man. People are too different from one another and your body will eventually reject most transplanted organs with often deadly results. And as I said Cheetahs are not as diverse. They went through a rather severe population bottle neck and now almost any skin graft will survive on almost any other cheetah when it is transplanted. The skin is an organ too if you forgot.

Cheetah Extinction › News in Science (ABC Science)

The current theory is that they became inbred when a "natural" disaster dropped their total world population down to less than seven individual cheetahs - probably about 10,000 years ago. They went through a "Genetic Bottleneck", and their genetic diversity plummeted. They survived only through brother-to-sister or parent-to-child mating.

According to the enzymes, humans rate at about 70% identical. But laboratory rats and cheetahs rate at 97% identical. Laboratory rats have been inbred for at least 20 generations of brother-to-sister mating. So cheetahs are at least as inbred as laboratory rats.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is due to the genetic diversity of man. People are too different from one another and your body will eventually reject most transplanted organs with often deadly results.

Seriously, thank you for that info.

I feel smarter now, I really do.

(And I'm not being sarcastic, either.)

 

[sfs]

Not solved by whom? scientists?

No argument there.

Theologians have done it for you:

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What do you think that blessing was in the form of?

Hint: The answer is in the verse.

Octomom would have been envious.

You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? How does anything that happened to Noah's family produce genetic variants in 0.5% of the modern population?

 

[AV1611VET]

You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? How does anything that happened to Noah's family produce genetic variants in 0.5% of the modern population?

Did you not say this?

The problem originally posed was to explain how 8 people could have repopulated the earth ...

Just because I addressed the first part of your conundrum-; was that a trap to try and drag me into the rest of it?

 

[sfs]

Did you not say this?

Just because I addressed the first part of your conundrum-; was that a trap to try and drag me into the rest of it?

Try reading in context. I responded to someone claiming to have solved the problem, by showing how 8 people could have populated the earth. I pointed out that the original problem was actually to show how 8 people could have populated the earth and produced the diversity we see; in other words, it's the second half of the challenge that hasn't been met.

 

[AV1611VET]

Try reading in context. I responded to someone claiming to have solved the problem, by showing how 8 people could have populated the earth.

Fine -- I'll bow out.

Sorry.

I pointed out that the original problem was actually to show how 8 people could have populated the earth and produced the diversity we see; in other words, it's the second half of the challenge that hasn't been met.

I say again:

I thought Mamba Natural handled that.

 

[sfs]

I thought Mamba Natural handled that.

A rapidly expanding population cannot produce lots of moderately rare genetic variation.