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Creationist conundrum: Cats

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Lucy is dubbed an ape, not a chimpanzee.

How she then got associated with human beings is a matter of playing connect-the-dots.

Meaning what they say about her is wrong.

Adam lived on the earth long before Lucy was ever born.
 
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1. Zero experts think Lucy is a chimpanzee, much less a 5 foot tall one.
2. The Mauer Jaw was discovered in 1908 but other heidelbergensis fossils have been found including a complete skull. The are human in that they are genus Homo, but they are not Homo sapiens.
3. Nebraska "man" was never considered to be anything but an athropoid ape. It was never claimed to be a human ancestor. It also not "scientifically built up". Nebraska Man and His Family was drawn by a London newspaper artist and was based more on the Java man find.
4. The original fossils were lost during WWII, but casts of them remain.
5. Neanderthal's are not Homo sapiens with arthritis. Their genome shows they were a different, but closely related species.
6. New Guinea man exists only in Kent's imagination.
7. Cro-Magnon are anatomically modern humans. No one claims they are not.
 
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All we see in the fossil record are the same shown in paleontology texts and publications, which are macro-assemblages. Without fossils that show the graduations of morphological changes from one macro-assemblage to the next.

Could you please describe the features that a fossil or sequenc of fossils should have, before you'll accept it as being one that "shows the graduations of morphological changes from one macro-assemblage to the next"?

Because imo, you have already been shown fossil sequences that "shows the graduations of morphological changes from one macro-assemblage to the next". But since you don't agree with that, it seems that we disagree on what exactly "shows the graduations of morphological changes from one macro-assemblage to the next".

So please explain so that we can move on, because this back and forward is stuck in an infinitie loop, which is becoming rather boring and unproductive.
 
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View attachment 242676

Where is you proof that the above shows evolution without conjecture.

What is missing from the picture that makes it fail to support evolution in your opinion?
How should the fossils have been, for to accept them as supportive evidence in favor of evolution?


Don't forget to be specific.
 
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The thread was deeply pruned for one reason. Addressing the member rather than the content of his posts. Stick to debating the topic and leave off the insults and members names.
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What is missing from the picture that makes it fail to support evolution in your opinion?
How should the fossils have been, for to accept them as supportive evidence in favor of evolution?


Don't forget to be specific.
Stop ignoring that every fossil ever found for any creature remains exactly the same for its entire existence. It appears suddenly, never changes across millions of years, then goes extinct. The only thing that connects creatures is imagination and proposed creatures that never existed....
 
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Stop ignoring that every fossil ever found for any creature remains exactly the same for its entire existence. It appears suddenly, never changes across millions of years, then goes extinct. The only thing that connects creatures is imagination and proposed creatures that never existed....
No paleontologist has ever said this. Ever.
 
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No paleontologist has ever said this. Ever.

The sudden appearance of diverse animal body plansduring the Cambrian explosion. - PubMed - NCBI

"Beautifully preserved organisms from the Lower Cambrian Maotianshan Shale in central Yunnan, southern China, document the sudden appearance of diverse metazoan body plans at phylum or subphylum levels, which were either short-lived or have continued to the present day."

Punctuated equilibrium - Wikipedia

"Eldredge and Gould proposed that the degree of gradualism commonly attributed to Charles Darwin is virtually nonexistent in the fossil record, and that stasis dominates the history of most fossil species."

"Although the sudden appearance of species and its relationship to speciation was proposed and identified by Mayr in 1954, historians of science generally recognize the 1972 Eldredge and Gould paper as the basis of the new paleobiological research program. Punctuated equilibrium differs from Mayr's ideas mainly in that Eldredge and Gould placed considerably greater emphasis on stasis, whereas Mayr was concerned with explaining the morphological discontinuity (or "sudden jumps") found in the fossil record"

Any other facts of reality you care to show you are not aware of?

If you are not aware of this, then I can pretty well discount you from this conversation from here on out.....
 
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Stop ignoring that every fossil ever found for any creature remains exactly the same for its entire existence. It appears suddenly, never changes across millions of years, then goes extinct. The only thing that connects creatures is imagination and proposed creatures that never existed....
gradualism foraminifera.jpg
 
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The sudden appearance of diverse animal body plansduring the Cambrian explosion. - PubMed - NCBI

"Beautifully preserved organisms from the Lower Cambrian Maotianshan Shale in central Yunnan, southern China, document the sudden appearance of diverse metazoan body plans at phylum or subphylum levels, which were either short-lived or have continued to the present day."

Punctuated equilibrium - Wikipedia

"Eldredge and Gould proposed that the degree of gradualism commonly attributed to Charles Darwin is virtually nonexistent in the fossil record, and that stasis dominates the history of most fossil species."

"Although the sudden appearance of species and its relationship to speciation was proposed and identified by Mayr in 1954, historians of science generally recognize the 1972 Eldredge and Gould paper as the basis of the new paleobiological research program. Punctuated equilibrium differs from Mayr's ideas mainly in that Eldredge and Gould placed considerably greater emphasis on stasis, whereas Mayr was concerned with explaining the morphological discontinuity (or "sudden jumps") found in the fossil record"

Any other facts of reality you care to show you are not aware of?

If you are not aware of this, then I can pretty well discount you from this conversation from here on out.....
I suggest you read the abstracts at least. These papers don’t support your claims. Pipe down and quit acting like such an idiot.
 
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3. Nebraska "man" was never considered to be anything but an athropoid ape. It was never claimed to be a human ancestor.

"Nebraska Man - Wikipedia

"and it was heralded as the first higher primate of North America. It was originally described by Henry Fairfield Osborn in 1922, on the basis of a tooth found by rancher and geologist Harold Cook in Nebraska in 1917; haroldcookii was given as the species name in reference to Cook. The discovery was made around ten years after the finding of Piltdown Man, another possible human ancestor, that turned out to be a hoax."

So both were considered possible human ancestors and both were hoaxes.....

".....more closely related to humans than to other apes."

And it was built up contrary to your claims....

"Only a few months later, an article was published in Science announcing the discovery of a manlike ape in North America."

In 1922, up until 1927.... It was promoted so much so that they felt compelled to make a retraction. Something not necessary for things that get no attention.....

"The earlier identification as an ape was retracted in the journal Science in 1927."

"During the same time period as the discovery and examination of the tooth, the teaching of evolution in public schools was under fire in the Scopes trial. The prosecution was led by William Jennings Bryan. Leading up to the trial, Osborn and Bryan were engaged in a back-and-forth debate on the validity of the other's beliefs. However, at the trial, Osborn remained quiet on the subject of Nebraska man. The evidence was starting to build up against Hesperopithecus, and Osborn did not want to put the defense at risk of losing."

no, instead they just used the fake Piltdown Man.....
 
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Every one of those remains the same.

What you have done is show nothing except what we see in wolf to all the breeds of dogs, understanding that they remain the same species......

Good strawman tho, but a strawman nonetheless......

You just supported that species never change species...... not that you realized it..... you actually just showed variation in a species...... But the first one always remains just as it is, as does each of the others.

As a wolf remains a wolf, a Husky remains a Husky, a Poodle remains a poodle.....

You are supposed to be proving evolution from one type to another, not disproving it by showing variation within the same species.....
 
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