Creation

[Job 33:6]

 

[davetaff]

Hebrews 4:4 says that God did rest. Ok. But specifically, where does the bible say that God rested, and on what?

Hi Job 33 6
Thank you for your post Gods sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign its the 7th day of this creation which began with Noah.
God can rest because Christ shall reign for a thousand years So God can be sure everything will go according to plan.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Job 33:6]

Hi Job 33 6
Thank you for your post Gods sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign its the 7th day of this creation which began with Noah.
God can rest because Christ shall reign for a thousand years So God can be sure everything will go according to plan.

Love and Peace
Dave

Alright. Well I'll be here if you'd ever like to answer the questions. The topic cannot otherwise progress.

All the best.

 

[David Lamb]

Sure. So, as noted above, if we want to know the meaning of "Yom", we have to look into how the Israelites thought about that term.

So for example, on the 7th day, God rests. Where else does God rest in the Bible? I'm not talking about people resting, but God in particular, where else does God rest in the Bible, and what does he rest on?

These questions will inform you about the seventh day to give you an idea of what this day means, and what the word "yom" means.

Thanks for your reply, but I am not sure what you mean by asking what God rested on. The bible teaches that God is a spiritual being, so we cannot think of His resting as reposing from tiredness, or of His resting being anything akin to us sitting in a comfortable chair, or going to bed. As for where else in the bible we read of God resting, the main places I can think of are those where reference is made to Genesis 2:2, where we are told that God rested on the seventh day. The only other place I can think of is Isaiah 66:1, which is also quoted in Acts 7:

“Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest?” (Isa 66:1 NKJV)

"The place of My rest," refers to God's residence. Did you have any other bible passages in mind that speak of God resting?

 

[David Lamb]

I have never said the church is the last Adam the church is his bride its not the multitude of believers it's those who have been chosen for example the prophets and apostles

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen

Everyone keeps on about context but never explains what it means I'm beginning to think its a cope out.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks Dave. You say that you have never said that the last Adam is the church, but you did write:

what and how God created before the flood is irrelevant it was all destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God Adam had died.
So God set about creating a new man in his image which would result in Jesus Christ presenting the multitude of believers to God the Father this is mankind in the image of God."

So who was the new man in God's image that He set about creating after the Flood? You say you don't mean it was Christ, so who was the new man?

 

[davetaff]

Thanks Dave. You say that you have never said that the last Adam is the church, but you did write:

what and how God created before the flood is irrelevant it was all destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God Adam had died.
So God set about creating a new man in his image which would result in Jesus Christ presenting the multitude of believers to God the Father this is mankind in the image of God."

So who was the new man in God's image that He set about creating after the Flood? You say you don't mean it was Christ, so who was the new man?

Hi David
Thank you for your reply the first man God created in his image was Israel the man of flesh who must come first he was not a great success so God set about a new creation the spiritual man the head of which is Jesus Christ his body which he will present to the Father is the man in the image of God all gentile believers will be grafted into Israels tree and all Israel will be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply the first man God created in his image was Israel the man of flesh who must come first he was not a great success so God set about a new creation the spiritual man the head of which is Jesus Christ his body which he will present to the Father is the man in the image of God all gentile believers will be grafted into Israels tree and all Israel will be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks, Dave. I believe that Jesus Christ is Himself the Body, not that God "did a trial run" as it were, with Israel, then when that didn't work established the Church. Thanks for replying, though. Happy New Year!

 

[davetaff]

Thanks, Dave. I believe that Jesus Christ is Himself the Body, not that God "did a trial run" as it were, with Israel, then when that didn't work established the Church. Thanks for replying, though. Happy New Year!

Hi David
Thank you for your reply but Christ is not the body he is the head through him the body is created and we both agree Christ is not created but is the creator.
Israel was not a trial run but part of the creation prosses.

1 Corinthians 15:46 ESV
[46] But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.

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This is speaking of the man in the image of God the first man in Gods image after the flood was Israel

Hosea 11:1 ESV
[1] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

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Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply but Christ is not the body he is the head through him the body is created and we both agree Christ is not created but is the creator.
Israel was not a trial run but part of the creation prosses.

1 Corinthians 15:46 ESV
[46] But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.

bible.com

This is speaking of the man in the image of God the first man in Gods image after the flood was Israel

Hosea 11:1 ESV
[1] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

bible.com

Love and Peace
Dave

Yes, you are right. Christ is indeed the Head, as you say. However, you did write earlier: "....the first man God created in his image was Israel the man of flesh who must come first he was not a great success so God set about a new creation the spiritual man the head of which is Jesus Christ....." That is why I was confused. Thank you for explaining.

 

[davetaff]

Yes, you are right. Christ is indeed the Head, as you say. However, you did write earlier: "....the first man God created in his image was Israel the man of flesh who must come first he was not a great success so God set about a new creation the spiritual man the head of which is Jesus Christ....." That is why I was confused. Thank you for explaining.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply so can we agree that Israelmwas created in the image of God and is Gods son

Hosea 11:1 ESV
[1] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

So this would mean the spiritual man in Gods image would be created in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply so can we agree that Israelmwas created in the image of God and is Gods son

Hosea 11:1 ESV
[1] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

I would say that "out of Egypt I called My Son," refers much more specifically to Jesus Christ, rather than Israel.

So this would mean the spiritual man in Gods image would be created in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks for your reply, though.

 

[Job 33:6]

Thanks for your reply, but I am not sure what you mean by asking what God rested on. The bible teaches that God is a spiritual being, so we cannot think of His resting as reposing from tiredness, or of His resting being anything akin to us sitting in a comfortable chair, or going to bed. As for where else in the bible we read of God resting, the main places I can think of are those where reference is made to Genesis 2:2, where we are told that God rested on the seventh day. The only other place I can think of is Isaiah 66:1, which is also quoted in Acts 7:

“Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest?” (Isa 66:1 NKJV)

"The place of My rest," refers to God's residence. Did you have any other bible passages in mind that speak of God resting?

Yes. And God's residence of course is His temple.

Psalms 11:4 NIV
[4] The Lord is in his holy temple; the Lord is on his heavenly throne. He observes everyone on earth; his eyes examine them.

Sometimes translated as "house" like in Isaiah 66:1-2.

Psalms 132:7-8, 14 NIV
[7] “Let us go to his dwelling place, let us worship at his footstool, saying, [8] ‘Arise, Lord, and come to your resting place, you and the ark of your might.
[14] “This is my resting place for ever and ever; here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it.

And I'm sure you can anticipate what I will ask next.

What is the significance of 7-days with respect to temples in the Bible?

 

[David Lamb]

Yes. And God's residence of course is His temple.

Psalms 11:4 NIV
[4] The Lord is in his holy temple; the Lord is on his heavenly throne. He observes everyone on earth; his eyes examine them.

Sometimes translated as "house" like in Isaiah 66:1-2.

Psalms 132:7-8, 14 NIV
[7] “Let us go to his dwelling place, let us worship at his footstool, saying, [8] ‘Arise, Lord, and come to your resting place, you and the ark of your might.
[14] “This is my resting place for ever and ever; here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it.

And I'm sure you can anticipate what I will ask next.

What is the significance of 7-days with respect to temples in the Bible?

You say that God's residence is "of course" His temple. But the physical temple in Jerusalem was not God's residence in the sense that the house where we live is the residence of my wife and myself, for as Solomon said of the temple he built in Jerusalem:

“"And now I pray, O God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David my father. "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!” (1Ki 8:26-27 NKJV)

His words are echoed by Stephen when he was about to be martyred:

“"However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says: ‘Heaven [is] My throne, And earth [is] My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the LORD, Or what [is] the place of My rest?” (Ac 7:48-49 NKJV)

Paul spoke similar words to the philosophers at the Areopagus in Athens:

“"God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.” (Ac 17:24 NKJV)

 

[Job 33:6]

You say that God's residence is "of course" His temple. But the physical temple in Jerusalem was not God's residence in the sense that the house where we live is the residence of my wife and myself, for as Solomon said of the temple he built in Jerusalem:

What does that have to do with anything?

“"And now I pray, O God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David my father. "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!” (1Ki 8:26-27 NKJV)

His words are echoed by Stephen when he was about to be martyred:

“"However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says: ‘Heaven [is] My throne, And earth [is] My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the LORD, Or what [is] the place of My rest?” (Ac 7:48-49 NKJV)

Paul spoke similar words to the philosophers at the Areopagus in Athens:

“"God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.” (Ac 17:24 NKJV)

Every time God rests, he rests enthroned in His temple.

Psalms 11:4 NIV
[4] The Lord is in his holy temple; the Lord is on his heavenly throne. He observes everyone on earth; his eyes examine them.

Sometimes translated as "house" like in Isaiah 66:1-2.

Psalms 132:7-8, 14 NIV
[7] “Let us go to his dwelling place, let us worship at his footstool, saying, [8] ‘Arise, Lord, and come to your resting place, you and the ark of your might.
[14] “This is my resting place for ever and ever; here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it.

Isaiah 66:1-2 NIV
[1] This is what the Lord says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be? [2] Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the Lord.


And so, the next question is, in the Bible, what is the connection between temples and the use of number 7, and 7 days?

 

[davetaff]

You say that God's residence is "of course" His temple. But the physical temple in Jerusalem was not God's residence in the sense that the house where we live is the residence of my wife and myself, for as Solomon said of the temple he built in Jerusalem:

“"And now I pray, O God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David my father. "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!” (1Ki 8:26-27 NKJV)

His words are echoed by Stephen when he was about to be martyred:

“"However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says: ‘Heaven [is] My throne, And earth [is] My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the LORD, Or what [is] the place of My rest?” (Ac 7:48-49 NKJV)

Paul spoke similar words to the philosophers at the Areopagus in Athens:

“"God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.” (Ac 17:24 NKJV)

Hi
Thank you for the replies but quite simply Gods Sabbath rest is the 7th day of this creation which is Christs millennial reign after the millennium God the Father will begin work again he will create anew heaven and earth.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Something to look forward to.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

What does that have to do with anything?

It a direct follow on from your statement to the effect that "of course" God dwells in His temple.

Every time God rests, he rests enthroned in His temple.

But ultimately, God is enthroned in heaven. In the bible verses I quote, God says that heaven is His throne.

And so, the next question is, in the Bible, what is the connection between temples and the use of number 7, and 7 days?

So that we both know what the other means, I would ask that, before I attempt to answer your question about the connection between temples and seven days, you tell me what you mean by "God's residence," and what you believe "temple" means in the bible. This may save us time ping-ponging posts back and forth. Thank you.

 

[davetaff]

Hi David
You said

Hosea 11:1 ESV
[1] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

I would say that "out of Egypt I called My Son," refers much more specifically to Jesus Christ, rather than Israel

Gods word say quite clearly that it is referring to Israel yes it applies to Christ às well because they are both The sons of God and both came out of Egypt why enyone will not beleave gods word is beyond me Israel is Gods son he is created in the image of God the Father he is the man of flesh who must come first Christ is the man in the image of God in the spirit.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi
Thank you for the replies but quite simply Gods Sabbath rest is the 7th day of this creation which is Christs millennial reign after the millennium God the Father will begin work again he will create anew heaven and earth.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Something to look forward to.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave. Thanks. I think we are talking about two different things. You are (I think) talking about the Sabbath rest which God promises His people. I was in a "conversation" sparked by a post from Job33:6 in which he had asked: "But specifically, where does the bible say that God rested, and on what?" I wrote to him that God is a spiritual Being, so that when we read of Him resting, we are wrong to interpret that is God sitting in a comfy chair, or going to bed. Though I don't share your millennial views, I agree with you that the heavenly rest is something we as Christians can eagerly look forward to.

 

[Job 33:6]

It a direct follow on from your statement to the effect that "of course" God dwells in His temple.

He does. God doesn't dwell on someone else's throne in someone else's temple.

But ultimately, God is enthroned in heaven. In the bible verses I quote, God says that heaven is His throne.

On His throne, in His temple.

So that we both know what the other means, I would ask that, before I attempt to answer your question about the connection between temples and seven days, you tell me what you mean by "God's residence," and what you believe "temple" means in the bible. This may save us time ping-ponging posts back and forth. Thank you.

God's temple is where He rests, which as you've pointed out, is stated in several places. Namely

Isaiah 66:1-2 ESV
[1] Thus says the Lord: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; what is the house that you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? [2] All these things my hand has made, and so all these things came to be, declares the Lord.

That is, heaven and earth. It is creation, as verse 2 states.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
You said


I would say that "out of Egypt I called My Son," refers much more specifically to Jesus Christ, rather than Israel

Gods word say quite clearly that it is referring to Israel yes it applies to Christ às well because they are both The sons of God and both came out of Egypt

Yes, that is true, but the term "only begotten Son" applies only to the Lord Jesus Christ. As you say, God referred to Israel as "His son." Also, as Paul writes to the Christians in Rome, all Christians are adopted sons of God:

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,” (Ro 8:14-16 NKJV)

why anyone will not believe God's word is beyond me Israel is Gods son he is created in the image of God the Father he is the man of flesh who must come first Christ is the man in the image of God in the spirit.

I would say that since the incarnation, He is the image of God in body and spirit. Paul wrote concerning Jesus Christ:

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” (Col 1:15 NKJV)

Love and Peace
Dave

And to you, Dave!