Creation vs Evolution

[Bungle_Bear]

That's the wonderful thing about sharing God with others anyone can do it and anywhere.

Once again you avoid answering the question. This level of dishonesty is really not a great advert for Christianity.

 

[Walk together]

I can support my claim, but I won't until you try supporting yours.

Very well I like most of us I am sure have watched many documentary programs on subjects such as geology or some have experience in the class room and I remember quite well that rock layers that were claimed to be pushed up by subsurface layers and asteroid impacts have left the oldest rocks to have formed that have not been regurgitated by melting in deep volcanic streams still are found on the surface now what I asked is where did all the impact craters go and why did so many old rocks remain even if they are only 3.5 billion years old and the big craters where 4.5 billion years ago if 4.5 billion years can wash away craters the size of texas surely 3.5 billion years would wash away little rock layers.

 

[Walk together]

Once again you avoid answering the question. This level of dishonesty is really not a great advert for Christianity.

I will share God with anyone but it,s like the shoes if they don't fit don't buy them. You can take God or leave him he gave you free will.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Very well I like most of us I am sure have watched many documentary programs on subjects such as geology or some have experience in the class room and I remember quite well that rock layers that were claimed to be pushed up by subsurface layers and asteroid impacts have left the oldest rocks to have formed that have not been regurgitated by melting in deep volcanic streams still are found on the surface now what I asked is where did all the impact craters go and why did so many old rocks remain even if they are only 3.5 billion years old and the big craters where 4.5 billion years ago if 4.5 billion years can wash away craters the size of texas surely 3.5 billion years would wash away little rock layers.

Woah, hold your horses. You don't get to move the goalposts and hope nobody notices. Your assertion: "science says there are rock formations as old as the Earth." Your evidence: "as I said, there are rock formations 3.5 billion years old and [your wording is unclear here] there were craters 4.5 billion years ago."

How old is the Earth? Are the rock formations as old as the Earth?

Then please explain the relevance of erosion of craters when rocks can be pushed up from inside the Earth.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Still, NO no subject can be forced on anyone nor can any religion.

Thankyou.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I will share God with anyone but it,s like the shoes if they don't fit don't buy them. You can take God or leave him he gave you free will.

Avoidance at every turn.

Simple question asked, no answer given.

 

[Walk together]

Then please explain the relevance of erosion of craters when rocks can be pushed up from inside the Earth.

Thank you now you're asking the right questions. You seemed quite sharp at reviewing my past posts and questioning all that you could find but you seem to have missed one of my posts that made it clear that I believe the bible in a literal sense. You see I believe the earth is 6000 years old not 4.5 billion and I don't believe the earth was ever peppered by large asteroids or comets. It is you that believes in that not me I was provoking a response for creation v evolution now if you have no interest or knowledge of either then there is nothing to debate with you or can you hold up your end of whatever you do believe in.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Thank you now you're asking the right questions. You seemed quite sharp at reviewing my past posts and questioning all that you could find but you seem to have missed one of my posts that made it clear that I believe the bible in a literal sense. You see I believe the earth is 6000 years old not 4.5 billion and I don't believe the earth was ever peppered by large asteroids or comets. It is you that believes in that not me I was provoking a response for creation v evolution now if you have no interest or knowledge of either then there is nothing to debate with you or can you hold up your end of whatever you do believe in.

You really don't get how this works, do you? You don't get to say "science says X, please explain" without first demonstrating that science does, indeed, say X. If you want to debate science, bring some science. If you want to continue debating strawman arguments we're done.

 

[Walk together]

If you want to continue debating strawman arguments we're done.

I thought you would ask me to explain why I believe what I do believe in like a simple question of why is the moon covered in craters but you state the earth never was. I think I have made my case for a debate to commence but you seem to be agitated and want to back out.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I thought you would ask me to explain why I believe what I do believe in like a simple question of why is the moon covered in craters but you state the earth never was. I think I have made my case for a debate to commence but you seem to be agitated and want to back out.

There you go again. Where did anyone, other than you, say the Earth had no craters?

Dishonesty doesn't deserve anyone's attention. We're done.

 

[Walk together]

There you go again. Where did anyone, other than you, say the Earth had no craters?

You have misread what I wrote I was putting myself as the second person as if you were asking me that question. I know I was the only person that made that claim.

 

[Walk together]

Bungle Bear don't run away I still want to play. You have misinterpreted what I wrote just like people misinterpret the bible it's a simple mistake to make don't feel bad.

 

[Bradskii]

I would be more than surprised if they all do of course one must be realistic as far as the teacher's personal viewpoint on the subject of religion. The schools have to watch out for parents that may find the subject taboo for their children. Start talking about God in a crowd and there is always someone that gets upset.

Personal views are not allowed. But as part of the education process...I've no problem children being taught about religions (note the plural).

 

[Bradskii]

And if I was the teacher of that class I would refer the student to a biblical class as they don't have to believe or already know about everything. eg: The roses smell lovely this morning class today's lesson is all about botany. Which tex book is that in sir.

In the botanical one, obviously.

 

[Kylie]

I don't know what a giant Ymir is but I do know who God is.

Ymir was a giant in Norse Mythology. Odin and two of his brothers killed him and made the world from his body. Creation of the World in Norse Mythology

 

[AV1611VET]

Ymir was a giant in Norse Mythology. Odin and two of his brothers killed him and made the world from his body. Creation of the World in Norse Mythology

I take it you prefer Ylem to Ymir?

 

[Kylie]

I take it you prefer Ylem to Ymir?

They are two completely different things in two completely different fields. Apples and oranges, AV. Apples and oranges.

 

[sjastro]

The oldest impact structure known is the Yarrabubba crater in Australia dated 2,229 ± 5 million years old.

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While the crater has eroded away the original radius is determined through magnetic anomalies.

In geophysics, a magnetic anomaly is a local variation in the Earth’s magnetic field resulting from variations in the chemistry or magnetism of the rocks. The natural process of hypervelocity impact where a rock carrying a remanent magnetization is shocked in the presence of an ambient field can be studied as the simple superimposition of shock demagnetization and shock magnetization. For this there are now a variety of techniques that allow experimental study of both phenomena separately or simultaneously as in this study. Mapping of variation over an area is valuable in detecting structures obscured by overlying material.

MAGNETIC ANOMALY – Crater Explorer

The presence of shocked zircon and monazite indicating shock metamorphism due to high pressures and temperatures associated with meteorite impacts have also been U-Pb dated to determine when the impact occurred.

Precise radiometric age establishes Yarrabubba, Western Australia, as Earth’s oldest recognised meteorite impact structure | Nature Communications

 

[AV1611VET]

The presence of shocked zircon and monazite indicating shock metamorphism due to high pressures and temperatures associated with meteorite impacts have also been U-Pb dated to determine when the impact occurred.

So the crater is dated by the rocks found around them?

 

[sjastro]

So the crater is dated by the rocks found around them?

That's correct.
Zircon and monazite are minerals found in the rocks and it is radioactive decay of uranium (U) to lead (Pb) which are impurities in these minerals which can be dated.