Creation Suggests Creation

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Where's the evidence of that?

Do you understand what photosensitive means?

 

[Speedwell]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2)

1. Mass can change to plasma
2. Plasma can change to Mass

Which makes it eternal stuff! If you believe in evolution you can step back a little and picture mass changing to plasma to create what has been called the Big Bang. I believe such events happened with these words, “Let there be light!” in which, according to Genesis a mass without form became plasma energy. I believe the mass will soon return to plasma in which God will do something else with it...

The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

God is going to take all that plasma energy... And do something else with it! As our human life is very short in contrast I go along with Blaise Pascal...

Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, theologian, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662). It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas if God does exist, he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell). - Pascal's wager - Wikipedia

The existence of God is not an issue in this forum. Some of us believe in God, some do not. It has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

 

[rockytopva]

It is not really complex. It's a patch of cells that reacted to light. It wouldn't have given the animal stereoscopic colour 20/20 vision, it would have just been able to see where light was and where light wasn't. Not hard.

It is a good thing most humans were born with 20/20 vision. It was a requirement for our advancement!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you understand what photosensitive means?

What does that have to do with evolution?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It is a good thing most humans were born with 20/20 vision. It was a requirement for our advancement!

Except that human eyesight is incredibly weak in comparison to other mammals such as all species of cats, all species of dogs (barring a few of the 'pedigree' breeds) and almost all birds.
We are more adept at seeing fine details over other animals, but we are hopelessly outmatched in other respects.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What does that have to do with evolution?

Try and keep up with the conversation, old man.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Try and keep up with the conversation, old man.

Answer my question.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Except that human eyesight is incredibly weak in comparison to other mammals such as all species of cats, all species of dogs (barring a few of the 'pedigree' breeds) and almost all birds.
We are more adept at seeing fine details over other animals, but we are hopelessly outmatched in other respects.

And yet they are our pets, not the other way around.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Answer my question.

Fine, old guy. The earliest eyes would have been simple photosenstive cells with the abilities I clearly stated in post #37. We see such eyes in basic animals such as jellyfish and flatworms, which are the sorts of eyes that would have been found on the earliest of organisms.

Understand?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And yet they are our pets, not the other way around.

That has nothing to do with eyesight. That's mental capacity, not visual acuity. Your comment is a red herring.

 

[Ophiolite]

Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, theologian, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662). It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas if God does exist, he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell). - Pascal's wager - Wikipedia

I'm reasonably sure that each of the agnostics and atheists who are regulars on this forum are well aware of Pascal's wager. I reject it utterly for two reasons:

• I do not need to believe in God in order to behave, to the best of my abilities, in a decent manner. And to "seek to believe in God" on the off-chance it might lead to eternal life seems downright cynical and dishonest.
• I see zero significant reason to pick the Christian God out of the many gods said to exist by other religions.

 

[rockytopva]

I'm reasonably sure that each of the agnostics and atheists who are regulars on this forum are well aware of Pascal's wager. I reject it utterly for two reasons:

• I do not need to believe in God in order to behave, to the best of my abilities, in a decent manner. And to "seek to believe in God" on the off-chance it might lead to eternal life seems downright cynical and dishonest.
• I see zero significant reason to pick the Christian God out of the many gods said to exist by other religions.

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2)

1. Mass can change to plasma
2. Plasma can change to Mass

Which makes it eternal stuff! If you believe in evolution you can step back a little and picture mass changing to plasma to create what has been called the Big Bang. I have read the earth will likely be pulled back into the sun in which everything will be burned up by plasma energy - Earth Is Spiraling Away From The Sun For Now, But Will Eventually Crash Into It.

The plasma energy will likely turn back into the mass in which it will be forms floating in the darkness of the universe. But....

1. Will it return to the plasma energy and become another sun one day?
2. How many times in eternity has the mass changed to plasma and the plasma returned to mass?

Continued interests in the E/c2...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma, the sun is the visible form of E/c2
Mental E/c2 - Our thinking can produce creativeness, light, and good things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

The Natural E/c2 in the form of mass produces a gravity that attracts other objects
The Intellectual E/c2 produces a gravity that draws us to study
The Spiritual E/c2 also has a gravity that draws and makes religion attractive

I believe the Christian God has triumphed because of the promise of the spiritual E/c2.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The complexity of the eye...

1. The eye is composed of over 2 million moving parts and can process large bits of information as it reports color and black and white images to the brain.
2. The cornea is the only living cell in the human eye that does not have a direct connection to a blood vessel (which would interfere with our ability to see). The lens and water filled cavity must remain clear.
3. In terms of relative size the muscles in our eyeballs are the strongest muscles in our body. The muscles in your eyes are constantly moving and readjusting, they are even moving while we sleep, as our eyes are constantly moving during the REM cycle of our sleep.
4. Due to our brain doing a clever bit of piecing things together, we are unable to see that blind spot each of us have in the center of our vision. This blind spot is caused by a missing light receptor in your retina. The reason there is a missing light receptor is because the optic nerve that reaches the back of the eye, all the way to the surface of the retina, takes up space where a light receptor could be.
5. Your eye is the one part of your body that doesn’t need rest to function at 100%.
6. The eyes have the ability to function together, moving and adjusting as one unit.
7. Two eyes - One image in the mind!

Just came out of the dust that way? I don't think so!

Oddly enough, the squid and octopus have evolved eyes that are structurally almost identical, and the mantis shrimp has eyes that are, in many ways, far superior...

"Just came out of the dust that way?" No, evolved that way.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I see no evidence for eternal souls.
I see abundant evidence for evolution.
But thank you for the good luck wish, assuming it was general.

Aha! so you believe in luck!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2)

1. Mass can change to plasma
2. Plasma can change to Mass

When it's clear that you understand neither the mass to energy relationship nor what plasma is, you'd be wiser not to recruit them to your unscientific arguments.

 

[rockytopva]

Oddly enough, the squid and octopus have evolved eyes that are structurally almost identical, and the mantis shrimp has eyes that are, in many ways, far superior...

"Just came out of the dust that way?" No, evolved that way.

The geometry of the eye is such that everything must be constructed with precision for the reality of eyesight. Which lens must be perfectly developed for 20/20 vision or better. I would call such a feat intellectual design!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2)

1. Mass can change to plasma
2. Plasma can change to Mass

Which makes it eternal stuff! If you believe in evolution you can step back a little and picture mass changing to plasma to create what has been called the Big Bang. I have read the earth will likely be pulled back into the sun in which everything will be burned up by plasma energy - Earth Is Spiraling Away From The Sun For Now, But Will Eventually Crash Into It.

The plasma energy will likely turn back into the mass in which it will be forms floating in the darkness of the universe. But....

1. Will it return to the plasma energy and become another sun one day?
2. How many times in eternity has the mass changed to plasma and the plasma returned to mass?

Continued interests in the E/c2...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma, the sun is the visible form of E/c2
Mental E/c2 - Our thinking can produce creativeness, light, and good things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

The Natural E/c2 in the form of mass produces a gravity that attracts other objects
The Intellectual E/c2 produces a gravity that draws us to study
The Spiritual E/c2 also has a gravity that draws and makes religion attractive

I believe the Christian God has triumphed because of the promise of the spiritual E/c2.

When it's clear that you understand neither the mass to energy relationship nor what plasma is, you'd be wiser not to recruit them to your unscientific arguments.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The geometry of the eye is such that everything must be constructed with precision for the reality of eyesight. Which lens must be perfectly developed for 20/20 vision or better. I would call such a feat intellectual design!

Just consider the survival advantage of better eyesight than your competitors and predators. 20/20 vision was originally defined as the average healthy vision, so has no special meaning in terms of visual acuity.

 

[Ophiolite]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2)

1. Mass can change to plasma
2. Plasma can change to Mass

Which makes it eternal stuff! If you believe in evolution you can step back a little and picture mass changing to plasma to create what has been called the Big Bang. I have read the earth will likely be pulled back into the sun in which everything will be burned up by plasma energy - Earth Is Spiraling Away From The Sun For Now, But Will Eventually Crash Into It.

The plasma energy will likely turn back into the mass in which it will be forms floating in the darkness of the universe. But....

1. Will it return to the plasma energy and become another sun one day?
2. How many times in eternity has the mass changed to plasma and the plasma returned to mass?

Continued interests in the E/c2...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma, the sun is the visible form of E/c2
Mental E/c2 - Our thinking can produce creativeness, light, and good things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

The Natural E/c2 in the form of mass produces a gravity that attracts other objects
The Intellectual E/c2 produces a gravity that draws us to study
The Spiritual E/c2 also has a gravity that draws and makes religion attractive

I believe the Christian God has triumphed because of the promise of the spiritual E/c2.

If that is intended as a logical, adult reply to my post you missed by a very considerable distance. Please stop spamming your E/c2 nonsense, or I'm done with you.

 

[Ophiolite]

Aha! so you believe in luck!

No. But I do think good intentions should be recognised and encouraged.