Creation Science Teacher!

[Mac6yver]

Name calling, the only other tactic evolutionist are capable of. Oh yea if you are an evolutionist that makes you secular if you were not aware.

LOL, now you are telling people what they can believe.

 

[Mistermystery]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I wasn't saying that Hitler was a good Christian though. He was one none the less.

 

[monkenstick]

won't somebody PLEASE think of the children

 

[JohnR7]

I wasn't saying that Hitler was a good Christian though. He was one none the less.

Hitler was not a christian, he needed support of the church in order to get into office and he deceived them. You can read about it in Rev.

Rev. 17:3
So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

In this passage the beast is a gov. system. The women on the beast is the false christian church. She is a harlot.

Rev. 17:6
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

You can see here that the false religious system persecuted and even martyrs the true Christian, the Bride of Christ.

Rev. 17:16
And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

In the end the beast turns on even the harlot. The beast will use the harlot to get into a place of power. But once he has that power he will turn on the harlot.

 

[lucaspa]

Travis St. Hubbins: "Any idea what he means by "fitness cost"?"
What Chris meant by it I have no idea. However, what the general phrase refers to is that all traits have a cost. No trait is absolutely good without some type of cost. "Fitness cost" usually is in relationship to specialization and refers to the trade-off of doing well in one environment while losing the ability -- fitness cost -- to do well in other environments.

 

[Mistermystery]

Hitler was not a christian, he needed support of the church in order to get into office and he deceived them. You can read about it in Rev.

Without going into this whole hitler thing any further:

Hitler was raised a Catholic, and he was a Catholic until his death. He opposed the Catholic church only because its seat of power was in Rome, not Berlin. He was intolerant of competing versions of Christianity (an approach lifted directly from the Catholic playbook).

Hitler admired religious figures, and while his ideas were flawed (he thought Jesus was from Aryan, and stuff like that), He was (in his own self image) the best Christian ever. While of course he commited non-Christian acts, doesn't mean he wasn't one.

http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Hitler was not a christian, he needed support of the church in order to get into office and he deceived them. You can read about it in Rev.

Rev. 17:3
So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

In this passage the beast is a gov. system. The women on the beast is the false christian church. She is a harlot.

Rev. 17:6
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

You can see here that the false religious system persecuted and even martyrs the true Christian, the Bride of Christ.

Rev. 17:16
And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

In the end the beast turns on even the harlot. The beast will use the harlot to get into a place of power. But once he has that power he will turn on the harlot.

You know when anyone resorts to Revelation to prove point they have no position worth taking to begin with.

The most useless piece of text ever written down. It's only in the Bible by basically pure luck.

And when people use it to interpret 20th century events you can be pretty sure they left scholarship and common sense way behind.

 

[JohnR7]

You know when anyone resorts to Revelation to prove point they have no position worth taking to begin with.

Just because you do not have a clue as to what the Book of Revelation is about, does not mean that other people do not understand it. Your talking like a very narrow minded person.

If your judgement is that there are people who have no position worth taking, you maybe judgeing yourself. When you judge others, your really only passing judgement on yourself. In Psycholgy it is known as projecting.

 

[JohnR7]

Hitler was raised a Catholic, and he was a Catholic until his death.

Here is a link that refutes that. I do not think they deny that hitler was raised in a catholic family, but they do deny that he was a catholic.

http://www.geocities.com/chiniquy/Hitler.html

I will give my opinion again, in case you missed my point. Hitler needed the support of catholics and even the catholic church to get into office. Even today here in America a president can not be elected if they are not a part of a church somewhere. Do you really think that Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Hillary are good Baptists? Yet they associate themselves with the Baptist church because that is known as a good political thing to do. Just like Bush associates himself with the methodist church.

After the war, the catholic church made a public confession of repentance for supporting hitler. They admited their mistake and that they had been conned into supporting him.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Just because you do not have a clue as to what the Book of Revelation is about, does not mean that other people do not understand it. Your talking like a very narrow minded person.

If your judgement is that there are people who have no position worth taking, you maybe judgeing yourself. When you judge others, your really only passing judgement on yourself. In Psycholgy it is known as projecting.

Quit reading the self esteem books!

"projecting" - LOL

The majority of Christians worldwide don't do in for the gibberish written in Revelation (again another topic like YECism almost confined to fundamentalists in the US - that's a shock isn't it?) . Next you're going to tell me it was written by John.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Here is a link that refutes that. I do not think they deny that hitler was raised in a catholic family, but they do deny that he was a catholic.

http://www.geocities.com/chiniquy/Hitler.html

I will give my opinion again, in case you missed my point. Hitler needed the support of catholics and even the catholic church to get into office. Even today here in America a president can not be elected if they are not a part of a church somewhere. Do you really think that Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Hillary are good Baptists? Yet they associate themselves with the Baptist church because that is known as a good political thing to do. Just like Bush associates himself with the methodist church.

After the war, the catholic church made a public confession of repentance for supporting hitler. They admited their mistake and that they had been conned into supporting him.

LOL - it's a 'geocities' link - it must be true!

Isn't it true that roughly 80% of all crank websites have geocities in their name.

 

[Mistermystery]

Here is a link that refutes that. I do not think they deny that hitler was raised in a catholic family, but they do deny that he was a catholic.

http://www.geocities.com/chiniquy/Hitler.html

I will give my opinion again, in case you missed my point. Hitler needed the support of catholics and even the catholic church to get into office. Even today here in America a president can not be elected if they are not a part of a church somewhere. Do you really think that Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Hillary are good Baptists? Yet they associate themselves with the Baptist church because that is known as a good political thing to do. Just like Bush associates himself with the methodist church.

After the war, the catholic church made a public confession of repentance for supporting hitler. They admited their mistake and that they had been conned into supporting him.

Geocities links are the best sources of the universe.

I really don't care much about what your opinion is, or how politics today work. We're talking about history, and Hitler's been quoted back to way before 1928 on that he was a Catholic. I'm sorry John, but you're wrong here. He did need the "support" of the church, but that doesn't mean he acted like a cameleon.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

http://www.adolfhitler.ws/lib/books/making/influenc.htm



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[font=Times New Roman, Times]Every generation has its great issue, and evolution-versus-religion was the issue of Hitler's youth. The ideas of Charles Darwin, in works like the Origin of Species, were some of the most revolutionary ideas to descend upon the earth. Many people began questioning their religious convictions. Although Darwinism had its adversaries, the discoveries made over subsequent years of the fossilized Archaeopteryx (half-reptile, half-bird) right down the road from Adolf's home near Solenhofen, Bavaria, convinced the majority of the intellectual community that Darwin was foolproof. Darwin's ideas, coupled withSpencer's ideas of the survival of the fittest, completely changed man's concepts concerning his origins and brought the world belief of an unchanging world controlled by God to its knees. No school of learning escaped Darwin's implications.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Times]"At 10 a.m.," Hitler would later state, "the pupils attend a lesson in the catechism, at which the creation of the world is presented to them in accordance with the teachings of the Bible; and at 11 a.m. they attend a lesson in natural science, at which they are taught the theory of evolution. Yet the two doctrines are in complete contradiction. As a child, I suffered from this contradiction, and ran my head against a wall. Often I complained to one or another of my teachers against what I had been taught an hour before....1 One cannot teach at ten o'clock in the morning truths which one destroys in the eleven o'clock lesson."2[/font] [font=Times New Roman, Times]Unlike Hitler, most of the privileged around the world accepted Darwinism and his predecessors immediately. They came to see their own success as prevailing by virtue of the struggle for existence. Supported by the intellectuals, they came to believe that it was right for the strong and cunning to get the better of the weak and the meek. They believed one had to be tough, energetic, ruthless, egotistical and most of all practical. The consensus was that man was nothing but a social animal--similar to a wolf in a pack. As in a pack, it was necessary to bully and subdue the weaker for the general good. Intellectuals all over the world were soon advocating this "natural law." Even in the United States, educators like Francis A Walker (President of MIT, 1881-1897), William Summer (Professor at Yale, 1872-1909) and A Lawrence Lowell (President of Harvard, 1909-1933) advocated such views.[/font]

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[JohnR7]

Geocities links are the best sources of the universe.

So, we agree to disagree on the issue. Ok, that is fine with me.

 

[ObbiQuiet]

Our friend, Chris, seems a bit belligerent.

 

[Mistermystery]

So, we agree to disagree on the issue. Ok, that is fine with me.

Hey, if you want to ignore facts, go right ahead.

 

[lucaspa]

You know when anyone resorts to Revelation to prove point they have no position worth taking to begin with.

The most useless piece of text ever written down. It's only in the Bible by basically pure luck.

And when people use it to interpret 20th century events you can be pretty sure they left scholarship and common sense way behind.

Not totally pure luck. At the time the Canon was being decided, people were close enough to the time that they still understood all the code phrases John was using. Remember, he had to get the text past the Romans inspecting his mail, so the text had to appear to be gibberish and written by a madman while using phrases Christians would understand but the authorities would not.

Now, however, we are so far removed from that time that no one remembers what those phrases were. So yes, using Revelation as a universal text and applying it to 20th century events is completely outside reality and scholarship.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

That's the Eschatology forum screwed then.

 

[USincognito]

I really need to start contributing more than pedantry, but....

Do you really think that Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Hillary are good Baptists? Yet they associate themselves with the Baptist church because that is known as a good political thing to do. Just like Bush associates himself with the methodist church.

Hillary's a Methodist too.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste all,


well.. this thread has been an exercise in frustration... though, it is rather startling to see that people like Chris could be in a position to influence children and to purposefully and actively lead them astray and lie to them.

that is, in my view, a terrible situation for a child to be in since, for the most part, a teacher is viewed as a trustworthy and reliable figure in the childs life.

as a general aside... what teacher would spell "coarse" when they meant to be saying "course" they indicate two completely different things... unless he meant to indicate that he has a coarse understanding of the subject matter.... which, perhaps, is being overly generous.

 

[lucaspa]

That's the Eschatology forum screwed then.

Yep, pretty much. Notice I'm not there.

However, the gospels and Paul still have some good Eschatology. But they'd be better off reading the works of the Essenes than Revelation.