Creation Science Evangelism

[john crawford]

Gould:

I don't believe in evolution. How could I accept any evidence for it?

To those for whom there is no evidence of God, what proofs would be acceptable?

 

[David Gould]

Gould:

I don't believe in evolution. How could I accept any evidence for it?

To those for whom there is no evidence of God, what proofs would be acceptable?

Ah, so you admit that you are not interested in science. Fair enough, expect for the fact that is a science forum.


As to what evidence I would accept, there have been plenty of threads on that in the apologetics section.


An example would be the words 'Jesus saves' in Aramaic in an energy pattern associated with every quark pair in the universe. That is an extreme one, but certainly possible for the creator of the universe. If you want to discuss this further, you can start a thread in the apologetics section.

 

[john crawford]

Plotting the downfall of Western civilization... duh.

Hey, I thought this was a Christian Website.
What are all you anti-Christians doing here?
Why don't you create your own evolutionary Blog?

I think I'm going to report you to the Christian Cops.

 

[john crawford]

Harcoff:
None of this is science.
It is conjecture.

 

[john crawford]

No it's not. Read Chapter 9 of origin of the species. I already provided the link.

Why don't you read Genesis in the Bible?
It's more relevant than Darwin's Origins.

 

[Jet Black]

troll alert.

 

[john crawford]

Well why do you find it preposterous from a scientific point of view? (emphasis intended)

His prejudices were inherited from the general mindset of Europeans at the time. They are hardly a result of his work on evolution.

Science is limited to human observation until it engages in religious speculation.
The root of theory is Theos.
Evolution is science fiction at its best.

Darwin was an old-fashioned English sexist and a bloody racist and you know it. (or should).

This is not an anti-Christian forum. If you mock believers in God then you may be rightfully called anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Evolution is a scientific hoax and a lie. Anyone who promotes it is anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

 

[Jet Black]

Science is limited to human observation until it engages in religious speculation.

but "science" does not engage in religious speculation, and by religious speculation I am referring to issues of the supernatural.

Darwin was an old-fashioned English sexist and a bloody racist and you know it. (or should).

assuming he was, this is irrelevant. Feynman frequented strip clubs, in fact he came up with many of his best ideas there. this does not make his science any less meaningful.

This is not an anti-Christian forum. If you mock believers in God then you may be rightfully called anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

which is why we don't

Evolution is a scientific hoax and a lie.

you will of course, have to demonstrate this.

Anyone who promotes it is anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

that is a lie. Evolution has nothing to do with racism. what about a christian, jew or muslim who believes in, and promotes evolution?

 

[fungle]

Lets not mention radioactive dating it might bring a deluge of useless denial.

Pb-Pb isochron dating for me.And thank you HUTTON.

 

[Oliver]

This is not an anti-Christian forum. If you mock believers in God then you may be rightfully called anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Evolution is a scientific hoax and a lie. Anyone who promotes it is anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Are you seriously thinking this?

Stating that the theory of evolution is in your opinion much better supported by the evidence than any creationist theory is NOT mocking believers. How could it be, since many believers themselves are stating just this?

Promoting the theory of evolution is not being anti-semitic or anti-Christian or anti-anything. The only thing it opposes are other competing theories, and not religions.

 

[David Gould]

Science is limited to human observation until it engages in religious speculation.
The root of theory is Theos.
Evolution is science fiction at its best.

Darwin was an old-fashioned English sexist and a bloody racist and you know it. (or should).

This is not an anti-Christian forum. If you mock believers in God then you may be rightfully called anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Evolution is a scientific hoax and a lie. Anyone who promotes it is anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Now we know John Crawford is a troll. You will be ignored from now on.

 

[Jet Black]

Gould has spoken, and shall be obeyed.

 

[David Gould]

lol - I mean to say 'ignored by me'. But I hope others obey me. How else are we to corrupt the morals of little children, bring about the downfall of Western civilisation, take over the world and organise a wine raffle by Thursday?

 

[Oliver]

Owww no, not on thursday! I'm going to miss it again ...

 

[Jet Black]

hey oliver, don't forget how corruptible we eviloutonists are... if you slip me a bit of money, I am sure that you can have "the winning wine raffle ticket"

 

[Oliver]

I knew there was a way out! Thanks Jet Black

 

[Data]

Evolution is a scientific hoax and a lie. Anyone who promotes it is anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Heheh. That has to be one of the weirdest things I've ever heard from a fundy.

 

[notto]

Maybe the creationists should start a 'Project John'. This forum would seem to be a good place to begin the inquiry.

 

[lucaspa]

Science is limited to human observation until it engages in religious speculation.
The root of theory is Theos.
Evolution is science fiction at its best.

Unfortunately, evolution does not engage in religious speculation. Most creationists think so, but that is because creationism is a scientific theory based on religious speculation. Sauce for the goose.

Some evolutionists do engage in religious speculation. Dawkins comes to mind. However, the correct way to handle this is to show that they personally are off the scientific reservation and evolution won't back their religious speculations.

Darwin was an old-fashioned English sexist and a bloody racist and you know it. (or should).

Darwin was neither a sexist nor a racist. Particularly the latter. He constantly fought against slavery and protested the racist policies of the Spanish in S. America. You should know this. Any biography of Darwin will document this. Read one. Desmond and Moore's Darwin is one of the best.

This is not an anti-Christian forum. If you mock believers in God then you may be rightfully called anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Some of us question whether Biblical literalists are believers in God or worshippers of the Bible.

Evolution is a scientific hoax and a lie. Anyone who promotes it is anti-Semitic, anti-Christian and anti-Islamic.

LOL!! You obviously haven't been reading what Christian ministers say, have you? Also, I have been in 5 synagogues over the years of each division in Judaism and in each of them the commentary in the pew Torah says Genesis is not literal.

BTW, you are aware, aren't you, that of the 26 plaintiffs against creationism (and for evolution) in the 1982 MacLean vs Arkansas trial, 23 were ministers or rabbis? Including the Catholic, Methodist, and African-Methodist bishops of Arkansas?

See here for religious denominations supporting evolution. Who knows? Yours may be among them.

http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/9375_statements_from_religious_orga_12_19_2002.asp

 

[lucaspa]

I don't believe in evolution. How could I accept any evidence for it?

By being honest enough to admit evidence that doesn't agree with your belief?

Notice that you just provided the excuse for atheists not to change their minds.

To those for whom there is no evidence of God, what proofs would be acceptable?

You just said atheists don't have to accept "any evidence". Nice work on your part. After saying that it was valid to reject any evidence contrary to a belief, you can't ask atheists what evidence they will accept counter to their belief!