.DNAunion: You mean youve actually solved the puzzle of the abiotic origin of homochirality? Thats been a longstanding mystery of prebiotic chemistry
Lucaspa: I didn't solve it, but there are several solutions out there if you would take the time to look.
DNAunion: BBZZZZZZZTTT!!! Wrong!
There are several offerings, all with their own problems. (Let me be more
specific, as of about 2001, there was no known abiotic method to produce
the kind of homochirality seen in life and believed to have been needed for life to arise in the first place).
Let me take a look at what you offer.
lucaspa:
1. FASEB J 1998 Apr;12(6):503-507 RNA-directed amino acid homochirality. Martyn Bailey J
DNAunion: Once again, where's the material that supposedly supports your assertion?
And what about the RNA? Is it already homochiral, like that used in the majority of such experiments? If so, you are using one homochiral biological molecule to produce homochirality in another. That wouldn't answer the question of how homochirality first arose in biological molucules.
Lucaspa:
2. Chirality Volume 9, Issue 2 <PICTURE>Abstract 1997 Pages 99-102. The nature of chiral recognition: Is it a three-point interaction? Davankov V.A. 3.
DNAunion: And once again, where's the material you claim supports your position?
3. Z Naturforsch [C] 1997 Jan;52(1-2):89-96 Plural origins of molecular homochirality in our biota Part II. The relative stabilities of homochiral and mixed oligoribotides and peptides. Soares TA, Lins RD, Longo R, Garratt R, Ferreira R
DNAunion: Once again, where's your supporting material?
Lucaspa: This one shows that mixed chiral proteins also function,
so making the initial proteinoids in a heterochiral environment ceases
to be a problem.
4. J Biochem (Tokyo) 1993 Aug;114(2):177-180 Substrate specificity of protein kinase C studied with peptides containing D-amino acid residues.
Eller M, Jarv J, Toomik R, Ragnarsson U, Ekman P, Engstrom L
DNAunion: Again, the actual (alleged) supporting material is missing.
Lucaspa: Remember, many proteins in organisms now
contain D-amino acids. This is especially true in bacterial cell walls.
DNAunion: D-amino acids are the VERY RARE exceptions to the rule that all organisms use only left-handed amino acids during protein synthesis.
And since you brought it up, I don't suppose you would mind providing supporting material that MANY PROTEINS in organisms contain D-amino acids.
From what I recall, it is basically only bacteria that use right-handed amino acids, and even then, it is not for a "true" protein (yes, my own usage - at least I openly admit it when I do something like that) but for a compound
protein-sugar used in their cell walls.
Wait, I just took a minute to look and found something that seems to support what I thought I remembered.
"The oceanographers focused on amino acids, the building blocks of
peptides and proteins. They found that four of the amino acids in the dissolved matter appeared in two flavors, left-handed and right-handed forms. This observation indicates that bacteria produced the amino acids, the scientists conclude. All other types of organisms make only the left-handed versions." (http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/7_11_98/fob7.htm)
DNAunion: So it looks like it is just bacteria.
"The amino acid fingerprint, the mix of the various forms, indicates that they came from peptidoglycans, the main structural molecules in bacterial cell walls, says McCarthy, who collaborated with Washington's John I. Hedges and Ronald Benner of the University of Texas Marine Science Institute in Port Aransas. They report their findings in the July 10 Science." (http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/7_11_98/fob7.htm)
DNAunion: And it does look like D-amino acids are also restricted to cell walls (in addition to being restricted to bacteria).
But this could still be incomplete.
So what other organisms, and what other proteins did you have in mind? And can you support them?
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