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You're right. It just explains why all the current life on Earth is the way it is.
But I wouldn't expect biologists to care about that...
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JohnR7
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To say the Bible is or is not a myth would be a violation of the constitution. You can not teach a individual groups interpertation of the Bible. You can only teach what is universal in acceptance.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Basicly you could teach a dictionary meaning of the words that are being used here. What does the dictionary say beginning means? What does the dictionary say God is? And so on.
It could be an expository approach to the meaning of the various words that are used in the Bible. With a heavy dependance upon the dictionary. Then questions could be something like: Define the word Bible, define the word myth, what is the meaning of the word: Created.
There is lots of science to back up the Bible. Esp. areas like archeology. Also history backs up the Bible. For example Abraham was a Chaldean, from the city of Ur, that is about 150 miles north of the Persian gulf in what is called Iraq today. One of the four ethnic groups today, in Iraq are Christian Chaldeans.
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Today at 10:43 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #22 You're right. It just explains why all the current life on Earth is the way it is.
But I wouldn't expect biologists to care about that...
Science has very little interest in why, that is a question for philosophy and theology. Science is mostly concerned with how.
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This is not correct for public schools in the United states. At least it is not correct regarding your comment about denominations. It would not be legal to teach christianity in general, or any religion, in public schools. The exception would be if it was comparative religion where many religions would e covered and no religion was taught as right or wrong.
Not just denominations but religion in general. No religion is official in the US, not christianity, Buddhism, whatever. The denominations issues is irrelevant.
This shows what is legal and what is not legal. Here
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I found this survey .
The focus is opinions on evolution and creationism in public schools.
There is a lot of stuff and worth browsing.
One interesting thing they found was that of the people who could identify the correct definition of evolution, 70% supported teaching it in public school.
Of those who could not identify the correct definition for evolution 55% did not support teaching it in public schools.
And only 50% of those who had even heard the term before could identify the correct definition. And they think that they know enough to even have an opinion? Amazing.
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This I think confirms what we run into here all the time; the people who don't know what the theory of evolution is are often the most opposed to it.
The focus is opinions on evolution and creationism in public schools.
There is a lot of stuff and worth browsing.
One interesting thing they found was that of the people who could identify the correct definition of evolution, 70% supported teaching it in public school.
Of those who could not identify the correct definition for evolution 55% did not support teaching it in public schools.
And only 50% of those who had even heard the term before could identify the correct definition. And they think that they know enough to even have an opinion? Amazing.
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This I think confirms what we run into here all the time; the people who don't know what the theory of evolution is are often the most opposed to it.
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Here is a link to Dr Dino's site with a discussion about what can and what can not be taught in public schools:
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq&specific=11
I have seen about the same thing said on other sites.
"Not only can you legally teach creation science in the public schools, you can teach it right out of the Bible, and teach or devote a class to religion, and have the textbook be the Bible. We all know the effects of what happened in 1963 when the Bible was taken out, and evolution put in to the schools, but we have been deceived by that ACLU again! In 1963, the Supreme Court banned the use of the Bible to try to get kids saved, which is not good obviously, but its a lot better than what the ACLU has led us to believe. They did not throw the Bible out! We have thrown the Bible out because we have allowed ourselves to be deceived by the ACLU"
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq&specific=11
I have seen about the same thing said on other sites.
"Not only can you legally teach creation science in the public schools, you can teach it right out of the Bible, and teach or devote a class to religion, and have the textbook be the Bible. We all know the effects of what happened in 1963 when the Bible was taken out, and evolution put in to the schools, but we have been deceived by that ACLU again! In 1963, the Supreme Court banned the use of the Bible to try to get kids saved, which is not good obviously, but its a lot better than what the ACLU has led us to believe. They did not throw the Bible out! We have thrown the Bible out because we have allowed ourselves to be deceived by the ACLU"
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That's quite a slanted statement. I suspect a lot of people would get in trouble if they only followed what is said above.
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Semantics, John, semantics.
In this case the "why" would be things like "why do Polar bears have white fur and Grizzly bears have brown fur?" or "why do whales have vestigial pelvic bones?", etc. The answer to those questions would also include answering the "how".
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Today at 03:23 PM Arikay said this in Post #29
John, I wouldnt trust anything from our Evolutionist friend Dr. Dino.
I am sure that Dr Dino feels the same about you. But he was a high school teacher for 15 years, so I am sure he checked into it a little bit as to what can and what can not be taught.
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Yesterday at 10:31 AM nikemare02 said this in Post #1
Why should creationism be taught in schools? Let me know!!
mgb0519@mail.ecu.edu
Which creation story are you referring to?
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Smilin: hehe.
John:
High school teacher in a public school?
How long ago?
To use my favorite examples. He obviously doesnt check his facts or his writtings.
In faq #39 he claims all barcodes have 666 in them. Um, they dont.
In Faq #29 he says evolution is true but abiogenesis isnt. So he is for evolution, and he doesnt even know it.
He is funny, thats all I have to say.
John:
High school teacher in a public school?
How long ago?
To use my favorite examples. He obviously doesnt check his facts or his writtings.
In faq #39 he claims all barcodes have 666 in them. Um, they dont.
In Faq #29 he says evolution is true but abiogenesis isnt. So he is for evolution, and he doesnt even know it.
He is funny, thats all I have to say.
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Arikay...
Mr. Dino (returned to sender)...
He obviously won't accept my questions..
I'm wondering what he thinks about me while we're on the topic...
errr... perhaps you could start a thread on 'Mister Dino'...
Mr. Dino (returned to sender)...
He obviously won't accept my questions..
I'm wondering what he thinks about me while we're on the topic...
errr... perhaps you could start a thread on 'Mister Dino'...
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I said science was the third leading cause of death in the country. Doctors to be exact. They have no problem with that. They simply justify themselves by saying that people live longer because of doctors, and even if the doctors are the cause of death, they would not have lived as long as they did, if it were not for the doctors and the drug store.
Of course this is an opinion, that they believe so they can sleep at night and feel good about themselves. The problem is, they do not offer anything at all in the way of proof that it is true.
I asked them at the drug store once about all the drug related deaths. They said it is not their fault, they just fill the scripts. It is the doctors that are screwing up, not them.
Once I tried keeping my mouth shut and I did not say anything at all to the people at the drug store. What happened there was that a drug addict took them hostage for 4 hours and even though they gave him the drugs he asked for, he still ended up shooting himself right there in their drug store. So I do not keep quiet anymore, and I think they have resigned themselves that it is a lot easier to put up with 5 min of me than four hours of that.
As Christians we are to have a torch in one hand, because we are the light of the world, but also we carry a trumpet in the other hand as a watchman to sound a warning to the people.
Ezekiel 33:6
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
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That is kinda funny. I did check into those courses that you take to get your Dr degree. Some of them are based on listening to a audio sermon tape. Some of the other courses were based on reading a study guide like you can get from the Christian book store. So it is sort of like reading the cliff notes and being tested on that and not ever actually having to read the book.
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Yesterday at 04:31 PM Arikay said this in Post #36
Smilin: hehe.
John:
High school teacher in a public school?
How long ago?
He taught in private christian schools. The guy is a baptist and likes to be associated with people like Bob Jones. I am sure that he is a nice guy, but they have kinda a unique way of looking at things. He is also into the conspiracy theory thing.
If people talk out against them, then they would consider that persecution and that would be evidence to them that they represent the truth.
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