creation in school

[JohnR7]

Today at 12:08 AM Cantuar said this in Post #78
And all you can do is complain? Good grief.

Complain? No, we are not allowed to complain. In the Bible the people kept grumbling and complaining and God got tired of it, and the earth split open and swallowed them alive.

I was just following your lead to give lucaspa an excape for having said something stupid. After all, as you point out, Darwin's Autobiographey is not actually a regular autobiographey. I have read LOTS of autobiographeys, mostly written by people who lived a wilderness life style in Canada or Alaska.

Autobiographys are something that people write toward the end of their live to give an account of their life. They are written for everyone to read. This was not the case with Darwin at all. What was written was for his own family and then it mostly explains how he made the transition from being a naturalist theologian to defect to the other side to become a evolutionist.

He always admired the moral beliefs of Christianity though. In his wife and Christian friends he admired their outstanding moral charactor, that they returned good for evil and treated people in kind and loving way. Perhaps he struggles with himself to try to be a "good christian" in the way he treated people, even if he came to reject the Bible as a way to explain the world around us.

He was very upset when his daughter died and he lashed out pretty equal at God and at evolution.

 

[Quath]

Today at 04:25 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #81
Complain? No, we are not allowed to complain. In the Bible the people kept grumbling and complaining and God got tired of it, and the earth split open and swallowed them alive. 

This sounds like a good test for God.  Lets all complain to Him.  If we get swallowed up then that is a good proof of God.  If not, then it is proof against Him.

Scott (Quath)

 

[Smilin]

Today at 12:36 AM Arikay said this in Post #80

There will be plenty of answers to your questions,

but I do ask one.

can you explain more about:
Where has science "found where the day stopped in the book of Joshua?"

That one caught me as well..
I missed that news headline.....

 

[nikemare02]

What about all of the new advances in genetics and other sciences that are starting to disprove the "belief" of evolution?

 

[nikemare02]

21st March 2003 at 01:43 AM lucaspa said this in Post #16



In the US you can't do this without violating the Establishment Clause.  Not all Americans are Christians and the Constitution forbids government advancing a particular religion.

You don't have to teach it in a christian sense.  It should be taught as another theory as how the world and universe came into existence.  Evolution could be seen as a religion that people have to have faith in.  There is no evidence taught in my current biology class in college that "proves" evolution, just a bunch of "ideas"

 

[Tau]

Today at 10:42 PM nikemare02 said this in Post #84

What about all of the new advances in genetics and other sciences that are starting to disprove the "belief" of evolution?

Which ones are you referring to in particular?

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 04:42 PM nikemare02 said this in Post #84

What about all of the new advances in genetics and other sciences that are starting to disprove the "belief" of evolution?

Last time I checked, genetic evidence furthered the case for evolution, not disproved it.

 

[Taffsadar]

Today at 09:47 PM nikemare02 said this in Post #85




You don't have to teach it in a christian sense.  It should be taught as another theory as how the world and universe came into existence.  Evolution could be seen as a religion that people have to have faith in.  There is no evidence taught in my current biology class in college that "proves" evolution, just a bunch of "ideas"

So you got a bad biology teacher, what does that got to do with science?

 

[Arikay]

The genetic evidence that the creationists pretend disproves evolution, but really strengthens it.

 

[Cantuar]

You don't have to teach it in a christian sense.

Bit hard to avoid the Christian implications when the scenario is straight out of Genesis, isn't it?

It should be taught as another theory as how the world and universe came into existence.

"A supernatural entity performed miracles" is not a theory because there's no way the scientific method can test it. The parts of creationism that ARE testable (the 6000-year-old universe, the global flood, the lack of transitions between groups of lifeforms) have been tested and shown to be false. There's no sense wasting time in science class on either religion (assuming it was legal, which in this country it isn't) or thoroughly bad science. Not when there's so much good science to cover.

Evolution could be seen as a religion that people have to have faith in.

No more so than any other branch of science. All you need are the assumptions that the universe runs consistently as described by the laws of nature and that our perceptions of it are reliable, and you have the basic groupndwork for all science, including evolution.

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There is no evidence taught in my current biology class in college that "proves" evolution, just a bunch of "ideas"

Does your college go into any details about why "proof" isn't part of science? There's no evidence that "proves" germ theory either; it could still be down to demonic possession and just look as if infectious diseases are caused by micorrorganisms. But at some point you have to realise you're in science class, not phoilosophy class, and understand what science is and what it isn't. Doesn't look as if your biology teacher has done the world's best job in that respect.

 

[webboffin]

23rd March 2003 at 12:54 AM Smilin said this in Post #54

and noone answered my question...

WHICH creation story is being proposed to be taught in school?

HOW ABOUT we propose to teach World History, Ancient customs & traditions, and Biology/geology/astronomy/physics in Church as well?

Smiling said in this post:


No, you won't regret it..
You'll get the same blubbering response I get..

He's gonna answer with something totally off track..
and then just quote irrelevent scripture ...

(or that's what my magic eight ball tells me)

Pot calling the kettle black perhaps?