Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[mpok1519]

none of them got divorced?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

none of them got divorced?

I don't think any of them ever went to the toilet, either. Or so the SoF version of the Bible would likely say.

 

[Maren]

none of them got divorced?

Actually, I'd love to see SoF prove his assertion that all of their parents were married when they were conceived/born. For most of the Old Testament patriarchs, their linage is recorded (though no marriage dates). For the rest though, most of them we don't know who there parents were, much less if they were married. And that is ignoring that some, like Abraham, had children to women other than their wives. Not to mention Paul, who most Christians believe never married (though who knows if he had children or was a virgin).

 

[Paulos23]

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, David, Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Peter, James the son of Zebedee, John, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, Thaddeus, Simon the Zealot, and Paul the apostle: all born in wedlock!

And let's not forget the greatest man to ever live outside of JESUS; John the Baptizer!

These rise to the top of the worlds greatest people ever. And just in case you think I forgot; uhm no. The greatest woman who ever lived was named Miriam/ Mary. No other woman comes close.

There you have it. These are at the top of GOD'S list of great human beings.

HIS LIST DESTROYS YOUR LIST.

Hardly, just the fact that these people:

Da Vinci, Freud, Einstein..

Where born out of wedlock destroys your argument that you have to be born in wedlock to be a great person. Heck it is possible to have a single parent, or two parents of the same sex, and be a great person that push forward humanity's greatness.

 

[Wednesday]

Or a chunk of Australia?
http://www.experiencequeensland.com/

There are these funny people called "Australians" that already own that territory.

Actually, let him come. I'd love to see this.

 

[DrStrangelove]

Actually, let him come. I'd love to see this.

If Austraila doesn't practice cannibalism, they will now...

 

[TheReasoner]

If Austraila doesn't practice cannibalism, they will now...

Who would want to EAT him? I'd say it is quite unappetizing to think of eating him.

 

[Cabal]

It is called miraculous. There was no sexual intercourse here. There was the power of the Holy Spirit over shadowing her and creating the baby inside her. So it didn't matter when they were married; just as long as they were before He was born.

Ah, so you're only illegitimate if your parents aren't married the split second you're born, never mind the whole sex-before marriage thing in the first place?

Clearly this is another one of those "it's not wrong if God does it" scenarios.

So your hatred of GOD and His Word mean nothing. Your trying to call JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth a bastard is vile and will only make you look silly.

Dude, can you hear me all the way back in the '20s?

Bastardy IN NO WAY reflects badly on the child, it's not their fault! Your antiquated attitude crippled society for centuries.

It was a one time thing, and it was very good for mankind. If HE was born of a human father He would have sin in Him. But since His Father is GOD, His blood is untainted from sin.

You know, for a Calvinist, you're veering awfully close to Catholicism here. So by extension from your words above, Mary was sinless?

Lol, and I was actually worried that you might understand the Bible better than the naysayers.

 

[Blackguard_]

You know, for a Calvinist, you're veering awfully close to Catholicism here. So by extension from your words above, Mary was sinless?

Maybe he's just reverting to Medieval biology? The child grows from a seed the father plants in the mother's womb.

 

[Shadowfax503]

SOF.
I have one real big issue with your new CSA.
You have said that as a Christian Nation, filled with christians, all filled with the holy spirit and following God with all their heart, soul and strength that crime and ungodliness would be at an all time low.
Amen I hope and pray that could happen!!!!!

However, I assume children would be born in this new country and grow up in it. We as sinful humans do not always follow what our parents and elders teach us. So would that mean that when our daughter or granddaughter is tempted and has sex before marriage that we would stone her? Does that mean that when our sons and grandsons show dishonor to us as elders we kill them??

I remember Jesus stopping the stoning of a woman "caught" in the act of adultery and telling those about to kill her (according to the law) to let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

To me the one unifying truth through the entire Bible is our rebellion against God and his continued willingness to forgive us and bring us to him. What I am understanding of your CSA is a nation of "Pharisees" who condemn anyone and everyone who disagrees with them or makes a mistake.
That is how I take what you are saying. If I am wrong please explain.

 

[mpok1519]

I hope this thread dies soon....

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Actually, let him come. I'd love to see this.

I think he'd get as far as seeing water in toilets spin clockwise rather than counter-clockwise, and then he'd claim his loo was possessed by Satan. He would call for the water-demons to leave the toilet in the name of Jesus. The men with white coats would be on the scene shortly thereafter...

N.B. I know full well Coriolis effect doesn't apply to microscale vortices like toilets, but I thought of that Simpsons episode where Bart called Australia to see which way the toilets flush, and I couldn't help myself.

 

[Maren]

I hope this thread dies soon....

I started hoping that about 1500 posts ago...

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Hardly, just the fact that these people:

Where born out of wedlock destroys your argument that you have to be born in wedlock to be a great person. Heck it is possible to have a single parent, or two parents of the same sex, and be a great person that push forward humanity's greatness.

Wrong.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, David, Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Peter, James the son of Zebedee, John, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, Thaddeus, Simon the Zealot, and Paul the apostle: all born in wedlock!

And let's not forget the greatest man to ever live outside of JESUS; John the Baptizer!

These rise to the top of the worlds greatest people ever. And just in case you think I forgot; uhm no. The greatest woman who ever lived was named Miriam/ Mary. No other woman comes close.

There you have it. These are at the top of GOD'S list of great human beings.
=================================================

This list is superior to any human list.

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

SOF, Jesus was, in all technicality, born out of wedlock. Hence proving my point that traditional marriage is nothing more than a symbol and all we need is spiritual commitment. The problem with condemning sex before marriage is you can't tell if two people are spiritually committed as coming before God, even if they don't come before an audience.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

SOF, Jesus was, in all technicality, born out of wedlock. Hence proving my point that traditional marriage is nothing more than a symbol and all we need is spiritual commitment. The problem with condemning sex before marriage is you can't tell if two people are spiritually committed as coming before God, even if they don't come before an audience.

Wrong.

GOD says to get married. I am to either believe you or GOD. Who do you think I am going to believe? Just in case you didn't get it; GOD. I believe GOD over you.

Jesus was not a bastard. He was born in wedlock. His earthly mom and dad were married when He was born. You fail to understand that. You hence fail in this argument.

GOD is right and you are wrong. Fornication is sickening and evil. Hence you need to get married if you wish to have sexual intercourse.

GOD wins, and you lose.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[Paulos23]

Wrong.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, David, Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Peter, James the son of Zebedee, John, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, Thaddeus, Simon the Zealot, and Paul the apostle: all born in wedlock!

And let's not forget the greatest man to ever live outside of JESUS; John the Baptizer!

These rise to the top of the worlds greatest people ever. And just in case you think I forgot; uhm no. The greatest woman who ever lived was named Miriam/ Mary. No other woman comes close.

There you have it. These are at the top of GOD'S list of great human beings.
=================================================

This list is superior to any human list.

SOLA GRATIA.

And what is so great about them? I can see at least one that is a mass murderer and told his people to conduct genocide. Hardly a great person in my book.

Most of those people (if they where real) did nothing to improve humanity, other than to be in a story with a moral.

And my point still stands, you do not have to be born in wedlock to be a great person. You have done nothing to disprove it.

 

[Paulos23]

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[Paulos23]

Then again....

Jesus was not a bastard. He was born in wedlock.

Mary may have been married, but her husband was not the supposedly the father of the child. God was.

Which still makes him a bastard by my definition of the word.

Not that it will take anything away from his teachings. All humans have flaws, even fully god, fully human ones.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Then again....



Mary may have been married, but her husband was not the supposedly the father of the child. God was.

Which still makes him a bastard by my definition of the word.

Not that it will take anything away from his teachings. All humans have flaws, even fully god, fully human ones.

Wrong once again.

HE has no flaws. There was no sexual intercourse. There was a miracle and Jesus was born. His step father was a good and righteous man. He married Mary and he kept her a virgin until she had Jesus.

Please remember that Jesus Christ is seeing and hearing everything you and I are saying. You may want to rethink about calling Him flawed.

He is the Holy One of Israel. He is God in human flesh. He holds the keys to death and hades. He has the power to either give you new life or to burn you alive for all eternity. Take the first option! The second is too hot to handle.

SOLA GRATIA.