Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[Nathan Poe]

You know nothing of Jesus. You have never read the entire Word of God. If you did, you would understand that when GOD drowned every last man woman and child during the flood; He was there. You see, there is only ONE GOD. There are not 3 gods. There is One GOD. HE has manifested Himself in three persons if you will. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, there is only One God.

So the same God who drwoned an entire planet said "Let he who is without sin..."

The same God who killed men and women indiscriminately called upon us to love our enemies.

The same God who committed genocide on a level that's would've made ol' Adolf himself puke later said "Blessed are the Peacemakers..."

God's a bit of a schizo, isn't he?

Read the book of Revelation, and you will understand that Jesus is not some limp-wristed wimp. HE is Messiah! HE is the KING of kings.

Of course not -- if he were limp-wristed, you'd have to hang him.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I think SoF is short on the forgiveness part. Which may be why his vission of God is short on forgiveness as well.

His God seems pretty short on the humanity as well -- proving that SoF was indeed made in His image.

 

[mpok1519]

SoF >> you only hurt yourself by thinking radically swat guy.

have fun with the rest of your years. Use them wisely. Theyre shorter than one would think.

 

[Raki]

After i leave the South,i don't care if they suceede. Their nation wouldn't last five months.

 

[Nathan Poe]

After i leave the South,i don't care if they suceede. Their nation wouldn't last five months.

Ah, but don't forget that the C.S.A. will (at least in SoF's imagination) be a nuclear power.

When a rogue state falls apart, that's bad enough -- but pity the world when they decide to take a few heathens with them in their death throes.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Y
You ARE advocating genocide. Read the definition of the word, Shield.
genocide |ˈjenəˌsīd|
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

You want to kill all homosexuals in your nation. You want to kill a lot of others with them. You're promoting religious cleansing with blood as a detergent.
You have STRONGLY claimed that what laws in the bible hold the death penalty should do so in the CSA. With this claim, you EQUALLY STRONGLY not only spit on Christ's sacrifice - saying that His blood and life is not enough to cleanse a human from his sins. But you're ALSO advocating MASS KILLINGS, WHICH EQUALS GENOCIDE!

Ok, maybe you are not actually Lying on purpose, maybe you are just really confused. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. So I will call you just horrendously confused for right now.

Now I will un-confuse you.

Here is the word genocide from a real dictionary:

gen·o·cide

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əˌsaɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[jen-uh-sahyd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Genocide.

Here is why I am not advocating "genocide". I am promoting Capital Punishment for crimes deemed worthy of Capital Punishment. I am getting the authority for prosecuting these crimes straight from THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!!!

HENCE, IF YOU SAY THAT I AM PROMOTING GENOCIDE; THEN YOU ARE CALLING GOD (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT) GENOCIDAL.

Now I know you don't want to call GOD genocidal; so maybe you should think this through real carefully.

1. If you were to start a New Nation from scratch right now; and you told all the people that were going to go and live in this New Nation that the government of this New Nation was going to exercise Capital Punishment and these are the crimes it deems worthy of Capital Offenses; and one of them was 'homosexuality'! I am very sure that there would not be millions and millions of homosexuals lining up to go to this New Nation. Hello.

2. Let's say for example that Texas seceded from the Union, and it became the New C.S.A.. We would give all homosexuals 7 days to clear out and leave peacefully before we put our laws into effect that would have them face a capital offense. Also, we would offer up all prisoners to the U.S.A. that were their prisoners that happened to be incarcerated in the state of Texas. They would be citizens of the U.S.A. and to the U.S.A. they would go. We would not want any of these criminals living in our country in the first place. And to answer the question before you or others here ask it; Yes. We would make sure you were able to leave in 7 days. We would help financially, and any other way we could with food, clothing, transportation ect.. They would be sent packing across that border to the U.S.A..

3. So now we would have a New Nation with no homosexuals in it to execute for the crime of homosexuality. Or if we did have to exercise our law of Capital Punishment on homosexuality, it would be very very minute. So your visions of millions and millions of homosexuals being hung would be misplaced.

4. Even if the U.S. were to crack down and make homosexuality a Capital Offense; this would not be genocide either. Because the simple fact that homosexuals are just sinners just like murderers, rapists, or kidnappers. There are not a "national, racial, political, or cultural group" recognized by the HOLY BIBLE. They are a bunch of abominable sinners. Just like murderers come in all national, racial, political, and cultural groups; so do homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a SIN claimed worthy of DEATH by GOD. Here, you can read this eternal edict for yourself:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20

In perfect context.

NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY!!!

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST'S sacrifice for sins. We as Christians know and understand that Messiahs' sacrifice was perfect and has the power to cleans any and all sins. That is awesome and wonderful. No Christian would ever claim otherwise. I am not claiming otherwise. Stop accusing me of claiming otherwise.

Now don't dose off! Pay close attention here!!!

WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM!!! Someone who commits Murder in the state of Texas will get executed by the state for this crime. THIS IN NO WAY NULLIFIES MESSIAHS' SACRIFICE ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. The murderer can confess his sins to GOD and have them cleansed if he becomes born again. If he stays in his sinful state, he can not have this sin or any other sin cleansed. So once again, this has nothing to do with Jesus' power to forgive sin. HE has the power and always will. That is not the issue. The issue is this man committed murder, and now he is going to be PUNISHED for this crime.

Being PUNISHED for a crime in no way NULLIFIES Messiahs' sacrifice for sin. Just like spanking your child for stabbing the cat to death, does not nullify Christs' sacrifice. You are punishing the child. You are teaching the child a lesson. You are also helping your society by training up the child to respect life and authority.

Hanging the murderer is teaching him and the rest of society a very strong and valuable lesson. You brutally murder someone in our society and we'll hang you by the neck until dead!!! You will not be able to ever do that filthy vile act again!!!

You give the murderer ample time to repent. If he does, awesome. If he doesn't; that is his bad, and he gets his neck stretched. Jesus Christ's sacrifice has no way been nullified, because you have given the sinful offender plenty of time to ask for forgiveness of his sins. The end.

SO THERE YOU GO!

You are now un-confused. You now know and understand that I am in no way advocating "genocide". You can cease and desist your fallacious attacks against what I am saying.

Problem solved, we're good to go.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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[PassionFruit]

Okay then, how about mass murder?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Here is why I am not advocating "genocide". I am promoting Capital Punishment for crimes deemed worthy of Capital Punishment. I am getting the authority for prosecuting these crimes straight from THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!!!

Except you're not using the entire word of God, are you, Shield? You're cherry-picking the Bible to justify killing only those people you do not like. If you really believed in the Bible, you'd have to hand a lot more people than just the rapists, the murderers, and the gays.

Ergo, genocide -- with a religious excuse, as it often has.

HENCE, IF YOU SAY THAT I AM PROMOTING GENOCIDE; THEN YOU ARE CALLING GOD (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT) GENOCIDAL.

We're talking about you, not Him, so try not to confuse yourself with God any more.

Now I know you don't want to call GOD genocidal; so maybe you should think this through real carefully.

Now I know you're not talking to me, because I've been calling the OT God genocidal for years.

1. If you were to start a New Nation from scratch right now; and you told all the people that were going to go and live in this New Nation that the government of this New Nation was going to exercise Capital Punishment and these are the crimes it deems worthy of Capital Offenses; and one of them was 'homosexuality'! I am very sure that there would not be millions and millions of homosexuals lining up to go to this New Nation. Hello.

What about the ones born in this new nation? Hello.

2. Let's say for example that Texas seceded from the Union, and it became the New C.S.A.. We would give all homosexuals 7 days to clear out and leave peacefully before we put our laws into effect that would have them face a capital offense.

Why should they leave their homes just because some despot took over? I would think instead, an organized resistance would form.

Also, we would offer up all prisoners to the U.S.A. that were their prisoners that happened to be incarcerated in the state of Texas. They would be citizens of the U.S.A. and to the U.S.A. they would go. We would not want any of these criminals living in our country in the first place. And to answer the question before you or others here ask it; Yes. We would make sure you were able to leave in 7 days. We would help financially, and any other way we could with food, clothing, transportation ect.. They would be sent packing across that border to the U.S.A..

Why don't I believe you?

3. So now we would have a New Nation with no homosexuals in it to execute for the crime of homosexuality. Or if we did have to exercise our law of Capital Punishment on homosexuality, it would be very very minute. So your visions of millions and millions of homosexuals being hung would be misplaced.

Not at all, because no homosexual -- or heterosexual, for that matter -- would think your laws were serious. They would call your bluff.

You see, Shield, most people are remarkably short-sighted -- they cannot believe some things are possible until they see for themselves. Nobody is going to believe that anything once known as the United States would hang gays from the town square until they'd already hanged a few dozen.

Any by then, the secen days would be long over, and you'd be hanging sinners in droves.

4. Even if the U.S. were to crack down and make homosexuality a Capital Offense; this would not be genocide either. Because the simple fact that homosexuals are just sinners just like murderers, rapists, or kidnappers. There are not a "national, racial, political, or cultural group" recognized by the HOLY BIBLE. They are a bunch of abominable sinners. Just like murderers come in all national, racial, political, and cultural groups; so do homosexuals.

Just like people working on the Sabbath?
Just like disobedient children?
Just like anyone of a Non-Christian religion?

The HOLY BIBLE is quite explicit that these sinners must also be put to death. If you go all limp-wristed before God by giving them a free pass, then the next sinner hanged in town square will be yourself -- although that may be inevitable, since the Bible also clearly says that we are ALL sinners worthy of death.

Homosexuality is a SIN claimed worthy of DEATH by GOD. Here, you can read this eternal edict for yourself:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20[/FONT]

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Also in perfect context:

Exodus 22:20He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Exodus 21:17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:29But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 21:18-2118 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Exodus 35:2Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

Genesis 17:14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Leviticus 20:18And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.

Deuteronomy 13:1-51 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Don't wimp out now, Shield -- KILL THEM ALL FOR GOD![/FONT]

KILL EVERYBODY FOR GOD!

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]COMMIT GENOCIDE FOR GOD![/FONT]

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NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY!!!

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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]This has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST'S sacrifice for sins. We as Christians know and understand that Messiahs' sacrifice was perfect and has the power to cleans any and all sins. That is awesome and wonderful. No Christian would ever claim otherwise. I am not claiming otherwise. Stop accusing me of claiming otherwise.[/FONT]

Stop lynching people and we'll stop accusing you of ignoring Christ.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Problem solved, we're good to go.[/FONT]

Straight to your own gallows, sinner.

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SOLI DEO GLORIA.

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NON COMPOS MENTIS.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

3. So now we would have a New Nation with no homosexuals in it to execute for the crime of homosexuality. Or if we did have to exercise our law of Capital Punishment on homosexuality, it would be very very minute. So your visions of millions and millions of homosexuals being hung would be misplaced.

You do realize, of course, that homosexuality is an inherent as well as a learned trait?

Your statement is like saying, "once we deport everyone with a birth defect, we'll never have anyone with birth defects ever again." Even in your new Confederacy, homosexuals will still be born. You can't prevent it.

Do you have any idea how uneducated you sound when you post this nonsense?

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You are now un-confused. You now know and understand that I am in no way advocating "genocide". You can cease and desist your fallacious attacks against what I am saying.

Yes you are. You are advocating that people born with a certain genetic trait be exterminated. That is genocide, no different than if you advocated everyone with red hair or brown eyes be put to death.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

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[Allegory]

 

[Sycophant]

Here is the word genocide from a real dictionary:

gen·o·cide –noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

It could be argued that the homosexual population is a 'culture' in some senses, or a political group. After all, I believe you yourself have expressed concern about 'gay culture' or something.

Now I know you don't want to call GOD genocidal; so maybe you should think this through real carefully.

God is/was very definitely genocidal as described in the old testament, not much question there at all.

I am very sure that there would not be millions and millions of homosexuals lining up to go to this New Nation. Hello.

And the ones who were born there? Or didn't realise they were gay when they moved there?

4. Even if the U.S. were to crack down and make homosexuality a Capital Offense; this would not be genocide either. Because the simple fact that homosexuals are just sinners just like murderers, rapists, or kidnappers. There are not a "national, racial, political, or cultural group" recognized by the HOLY BIBLE. They are a bunch of abominable sinners. Just like murderers come in all national, racial, political, and cultural groups; so do homosexuals.

And where in the bible does it provide a concise list of recognised "national, racial, political or cultural" groups?

In a society where homosexuality was a capital offense, being gay would almost certainly constitute being part of a political group (the opposition to say the very least) and, given the secrecy necessary in such a society, I'd suggest they'd very definitely form their own cultural grouping.

Homosexuality is a SIN claimed worthy of DEATH by GOD. Here, you can read this eternal edict for yourself

As is the many other things that Nathan Poe has already listed. Will disobedient children be being executed in the CSA?

If not why not? Are you cherry-picking sins to make capital offenses? If god has deemed these things worthy of death, and you believe it is the state's place to carry out that sentence, who are you to pick and choose between them!

Keeping people incarcerated in the CSA will be a problem of course, as prison guards will not be allowed to work on a Sunday (or they'll have to be killed). I hope there's no fires on a Sunday. I guess that'll be the day the gays run riot in the CSA, what with the Police having to take the day off.

WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM!!! Someone who commits Murder in the state of Texas will get executed by the state for this crime. THIS IN NO WAY NULLIFIES MESSIAHS' SACRIFICE ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. The murderer can confess his sins to GOD and have them cleansed if he becomes born again. If he stays in his sinful state, he can not have this sin or any other sin cleansed. So once again, this has nothing to do with Jesus' power to forgive sin. HE has the power and always will. That is not the issue. The issue is this man committed murder, and now he is going to be PUNISHED for this crime.

Deciding you don't like something, finding religious backing for it, and declaring it a capital offense doesn't make it any less murder. There is some argument to be made for the death penalty in cases of murder, or even rape, where a horrible crime has been committed by one person against another - the same cannot be said for 'being gay'.

Also, I still have a very serious issue with your state's lack of due process in being willing to conduct the execution immediately following conviction. False convictions are a very real possibility (especially where the burden of proof seems to be pretty minimal).

Hanging the murderer is teaching him and the rest of society a very strong and valuable lesson. You brutally murder someone in our society and we'll hang you by the neck until dead!!! You will not be able to ever do that filthy vile act again!!!

Can you seriously then say:

Hanging a homosexual is teaching him and the rest of society a very strong and valuable lesson. You lovingly engage in a relationship with someone of the same sex in our society and we'll hang you by the neck until dead!!!

You're saying that me being in love with another man is tantamount in it's seriousness to me killing another man? They are equal in their impact on society?

Just like people working on the Sabbath?
Just like disobedient children?
Just like anyone of a Non-Christian religion?

The HOLY BIBLE is quite explicit that these sinners must also be put to death. If you go all limp-wristed before God by giving them a free pass, then the next sinner hanged in town square will be yourself -- although that may be inevitable, since the Bible also clearly says that we are ALL sinners worthy of death.

It's clearly more complicated than that, and I'm sure SoF has the passages to back it up. But I assume it's something like, the state is not required to carryout the sentence to all the crimes deemed worthy of death by god, after all he can kill them himself if he wants, to. But if it wants to, it is totally justified in carrying out the death sentence for any crime justified by god (and some others, because Romans 13 says so, but that doesn't apply to all states and all killing, so Hitler and Pol Pot were wrong, but the CSA can kill 'gangsters' despite the lack of a clear mandate on that specific crime from god).

Or something.

 

[Allegory]

ShieldOfFaith is really selling me on the loving nature of Christianity.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

You do realize, of course, that homosexuality is an inherent as well as a learned trait?

Your statement is like saying, "once we deport everyone with a birth defect, we'll never have anyone with birth defects ever again." Even in your new Confederacy, homosexuals will still be born. You can't prevent it.

Do you have any idea how uneducated you sound when you post this nonsense?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Yes you are. You are advocating that people born with a certain genetic trait be exterminated. That is genocide, no different than if you advocated everyone with red hair or brown eyes be put to death.

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You know that this is an absolute left wing lie. There is absolutely NO fact or evidence that homosexuality is genetic.

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO GENETIC MURDERERS.

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO BORN RAPISTS!

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO BORN PEDOPHILES!

THERE IS NO, AND NEVER SHALL BE A HOMOSEXUAL GENE.

That is all homosexual propaganda. Period. End of remark.

Do you know how gullible you sound???

Come back to reality. Homosexuality is a perverted sexual act. It is a learned behavior. It is a SIN. Just like kidnapping or rape. It is a sin and that is all it will ever be. GOD says so.

No matter how many whistles you blow, how many parades you hold, how many politicians you hold in your pocket; it is still just an abominable SIN! That is it.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20

Just like ADULTERY, homosexuality is a sin that GOD says is deserving of Death!

It is a vile sexual sin; that is it.

Just like there are no BORN adulterers; there are no born homosexuals. It doesn't matter how many lies are sold; GOD says different.

I will believe GOD over a bunch of homosexual lobbyists. HE doesn't lie or grease wheels for His cause; HE doesn't have to.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20

See! It didn't change! It is still just an abominable sin.

I look educated; because I can read! Thank you.

SOLI DEO GLORIA!
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[ShieldOFaith]

Can you seriously then say:

Hanging a homosexual is teaching him and the rest of society a very strong and valuable lesson. You lovingly engage in a relationship with someone of the same sex in our society and we'll hang you by the neck until dead!!!

You're saying that me being in love with another man is tantamount in it's seriousness to me killing another man? They are equal in their impact on society?

GOD can seriously say:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20

All of these are serious. All of these are Capital Offenses.

The Holy One of Israel has said so. It doesn't matter what you say or think in relation to what HE has already said.

You can think anything you want. GOD said the above and it stands for all eternity. HIS Word is eternal, because HE is eternal. HE never speaks out of context and HE never makes mistakes.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20

Is perfect and holy. It is eternally perfect and holy.

There is nothing you can do or say against these words. You have no power or authority over these words.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20

You can hate. You can disrespect. You can do anything you wish to do. But these words are eternal and holy. They are perfect, from a perfect GOD.

HE says that two men having homosexual sex are deserving of death. There blood be upon them!

GOD IS HOLY.

GOD HATES SIN.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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[Nathan Poe]

So why are you killing Homosexuals and Adulterers, but not non-Christians and disobedient children?

Are you wimping out of doing God's work, or are you just cherry-picking the Bible as an excuse to kill the people you have a personal grudge against?

 

[Sycophant]

You know that this is an absolute left wing lie. There is absolutely NO fact or evidence that homosexuality is genetic.

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That is all homosexual propaganda. Period. End of remark.

Come back to reality. Homosexuality is a perverted sexual act. It is a learned behavior. It is a SIN. Just like kidnapping or rape. It is a sin and that is all it will ever be. GOD says so.

Common sense says otherwise - people can be (and very often are) gay without ever having had any sex at all. People who are so torn up about their feeling of attraction for members of the same sex, in an environment where they feel ostracised for their feelings, that they suppress their feelings, or even take their own life.

Homosexuality is nothing about who you choose to have intercourse with, and everything to do with who you are attracted to physically. Did you choose to have a physical attraction to women?

Seeing as you like caps so much... HAVE YOU EVER ACTUALLY TALKED TO A HOMOSEXUAL?! EVER ASKED THEM WHAT THEY FELT GROWING UP? WHEN THEY KNEW? HOW THEY KNEW? WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH?

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO GENETIC MURDERERS.

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO BORN RAPISTS!

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO BORN PEDOPHILES!

THERE IS NO, AND NEVER SHALL BE A HOMOSEXUAL GENE.

Why are you so obsessed with homosexuality, why are you unwilling to call for the death of liars, or those who work on Sunday? What is it about gays that makes you see their VICTIMLESS 'sin' as the moral equivalent of rape and murder? Why that sin specifically? There is no shortage of sins to rail against.

Just like ADULTERY, homosexuality is a sin that GOD says is deserving of Death!

If your mother had an affair would you call for her instant death by hanging?

Just like there are no BORN adulterers; there are no born homosexuals. It doesn't matter how many lies are sold; GOD says different.

God says nothing of the sort. Nowhere in the bible does it make ANY mention of the source or homosexuality, or for that matter of why people might commit adultery. Who are you to say that god didn't make these people that way. We are all born sinners, aren't we?

I look educated; because I can read! Thank you.

You don't look educated. You look like a sick and demented little man with some incredible level of paranoia and hate for people who you've probably never met and who have zero impact on your life.

I've met and communicated with many many Christians, many of whom hold very different ideas to me, but I have NEVER met anyone who's views are so absolutely sickening to me. I have not seen ONE person stick up for your view of the bible here, in nearly 1300 posts, not a single one. You are using the bible to justify and personify your hatred and it is the most sickening perversion of any religion I have ever seen in my life. I rate Islamic extremists as less religiously corrupt than you - at least they seem fairly consistent with their insane religious hatred.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

ShieldOfFaith is really selling me on the loving nature of Christianity.

It is a very loving thing to protect your neighbor, your society, and your country.

It is a very loving thing to teach goodness and righteousness to your neighbor, your society, and your country.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do at all close their eyes to that man when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death, 5 then I will set my face against that man and against his clan and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in whoring after Molech. 6 If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people. 7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my statutes and do them; I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 9 For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 17 If a man takes his sister, a daughter of his father or a daughter of his mother, and sees her nakedness, and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace, and they shall be cut off in the sight of the children of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness, and he shall bear his iniquity. 18 If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people. 19 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for that is to make naked one's relative; they shall bear their iniquity. 20 If a man lies with his uncle's wife, he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 If a man takes his brother's wife, it is impurity. He has uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 22 You shall therefore keep all my statutes and all my rules and do them, that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out. 23 And you shall not walk in the customs of the nation that I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I detested them. 24 But I have said to you, You shall inherit their land, and I will give it to you to possess, a land flowing with milk and honey. I am the Lord your God, who has separated you from the peoples. 25 You shall therefore separate the clean beast from the unclean, and the unclean bird from the clean. You shall not make yourselves detestable by beast or by bird or by anything with which the ground crawls, which I have set apart for you to hold unclean. 26 You shall be holy to me, for I the Lord am holy and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be mine. 27 A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them. --Leviticus 20[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]This should be taught in all our schools! Now![/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]This is holy and righteous. This is good for any country.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]This also should be taught in our schools:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesusby night and said to him, Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him. 3 Jesus answered him, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again. 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus said to him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered him, Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 22 After this Jesus and his disciples went into the Judean countryside, and he remained there with them and was baptizing. 23 John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because water was plentiful there, and people were coming and being baptized 24 (for John had not yet been put in prison). 25 Now a discussion arose between some of John's disciples and a Jew over purification. 26 And they came to John and said to him, Rabbi, he who was with you across the Jordan, to whom you bore witness—look, he is baptizing, and all are going to him. 27 John answered, A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven. 28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him. 29 The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom's voice. Therefore this joy of mine is now complete. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks in an earthly way. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He bears witness to what he has seen and heard, yet no one receives his testimony. 33 Whoever receives his testimony sets his seal to this, that God is true. 34 For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure. 35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. --John 3[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Yes this should be taught in every school in America, England, Norway, Spain, France, Egypt, Brazil, Russia, China...ect..[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]LOOK CLOSE AT THE LAST LINE IN JOHN 3:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. --John 3[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Think about it carefully.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. --John 3[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Did you see it? Read it again. Ok, did you see it?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]I'll give you a hint, ready:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Now you probably see it. If you are not born again, you are ALREADY CONDEMNED. Now read this next passage carefully:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. --Eph. 2[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Wow![/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Now read the last line in John 3 again:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. --John 3[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]You are either born again, or you are a son of lucifer walking according to him. And are by nature a child of wrath. The wrath of God remains on you.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]It behooves you and all people outside of Christ, to repent and come to Him now before it is too late. If you die outside of Christ, and you have never been born again; His wrath will remain upon you forever! Not good!!![/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]That is why it is good to teach this:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesusby night and said to him, Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him. 3 Jesus answered him, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Preach it! [/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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[Nathan Poe]

So, SoF, why won't the C.S.A. kill the disobedient children and the Nonbelievers as God commands?

Will the C.S.A. be nothing more than a nation of half-hearted, limp-wristed wannabes who don't have the backbone to obey the Bible in its entirety, or is this whole C.S.A. debacle just a flimsy rationalization to kill the people you yourself want dead?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

You don't look educated. You look like a sick and demented little man with some incredible level of paranoia and hate for people who you've probably never met and who have zero impact on your life.

I've met and communicated with many many Christians, many of whom hold very different ideas to me, but I have NEVER met anyone who's views are so absolutely sickening to me. I have not seen ONE person stick up for your view of the bible here, in nearly 1300 posts, not a single one. You are using the bible to justify and personify your hatred and it is the most sickening perversion of any religion I have ever seen in my life. I rate Islamic extremists as less religiously corrupt than you - at least they seem fairly consistent with their insane religious hatred.

Humm.... zero impact on my life??? Humm...

My wife was married once before she met me. Her last husband was a lazy bum who worked about 3 months a year, then sponge off her for the rest of the time. He also was having lots of sex outside their marriage. He was going to homosexual bars and going to town with many men in one night. She wondered why his desire was waning. She had no idea that he was having all kinds of buck wild homosexual sex. Well she finally found out because she read a letter that he had opened and left out on the coffee table. It said he had HIV. He had had this vile disease for about a year and was still having sex with her!!! She finally confronted him about it and he said so what? He was going to do what he wanted. So she told him she wanted a divorce; he said he wasn't going to give her a divorce. He was too comfortable sponging off of her while he had his homosexual fun!!!

She threatened to go to the police and charge him with attempted murder!!! After a long drawn out process, he finally gave in and gave her her divorce. Him and his family did many other things to her. They were a bunch of vile heathens that almost killed her. So don't tell me that homosexuality is victimless!

Humm... zero impact on my life??? Humm....

My father unknowingly let a homosexual into our house. He let him stay with us until he could get on his feet. He stood with us for a little over a year. This man was a raging homosexual. He had many "boyfriends". One day when my mother and father were not home, this homosexual decided to broaden his horizons. He committed acts of homosexuality upon me. I was 5 years old. This perverted homosexual did this many times to me over that time period. It damaged me severely. He was never caught because I was too ashamed and frightened to ever say anything.

Don't ever tell me that homosexuality is good or victimless. Ever.

It destroys in some way shape or form, everybody it touches. It is vile and abominable. Just like GOD says it is.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. --Lev 20

I know from personal experience why GOD said this. I understand that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION.

Zero impact on my life??? You are so barking up the wrong tree.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

ETERNAL IT STANDS!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!
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[Suomipoika]

Quite an insult to the Man of Nazareth to call this ShieldOfFaith nation a "Jesusland"... but I think I'll skip the report button this time.