Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[ShieldOFaith]

So, SoF, why won't the C.S.A. kill the disobedient children and the Nonbelievers as God commands?

Will the C.S.A. be nothing more than a nation of half-hearted, limp-wristed wannabes who don't have the backbone to obey the Bible in its entirety, or is this whole C.S.A. debacle just a flimsy rationalization to kill the people you yourself want dead?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]9 For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him. --Lev. 20

When did I say I was opposed to this?

I guarantee you that this would change the U.S. of A. You teach your children about respect and discipline. You explain to them that they are to respect their elders and especially their father and mother. There is a chain of command that you will know and respect. GOD first and foremost. Then your father and mother. Then your government. Once a child knows and understands this, they are on the right path for being a good member of their community.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]9 For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him. --Lev. 20

Teach the young some respect!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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[Sycophant]

Humm.... zero impact on my life??? Humm...

My wife was married once before she met me. Her last husband was a lazy bum who worked about 3 months a year, then sponge off her for the rest of the time. He also was having lots of sex outside their marriage. He was going to homosexual bars and going to town with many men in one night. [...] So don't tell me that homosexuality is victimless!

That is a crappy story indeed, and I'm sorry for your wife's experience. But it wasn't homosexuality she was a victim of there, it was a jackass of a husband. 99.999% of homosexuals are not in that situation and 100% of them are not him (except him).

One day when my mother and father were not home, this homosexual decided to broaden his horizons. He committed acts of homosexuality upon me. I was 5 years old. This perverted homosexual did this many times to me over that time period. It damaged me severely. He was never caught because I was too ashamed and frightened to ever say anything.

You were the victim of sexual assault. That is not victimless, and it is a crime, and one no-one should ever have to endure it and I am terribly sorry that you have had to live with that. But thousands of heterosexual adults sexually assault children too. Their acts are independent of their sexuality - this does not mean that heterosexuality is bad or evil.

Don't ever tell me that homosexuality is good or victimless. Ever.

Homosexuality is victimless. Cheating deadbeat husbands have victims, as do molesters, but that is not the same thing.

Homosexuality is a physical attraction to members of the same sex - there are no victims inherent in that, just as there are no victims in heterosexuality.

It destroys in some way shape or form, everybody it touches. It is vile and abominable. Just like GOD says it is.

No, it doesn't. You are filled with fear and hate for homosexuals based on incidents from your own life, and your perceptions based on those incidents.

I know from personal experience why GOD said this. I understand that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION.

Zero impact on my life??? You are so barking up the wrong tree.

Clearly any interaction you have have with homosexuals is very negative, but that is not in anyway representative of all homosexuals, nor homosexuality.

I would really like you to with down some time with some gay guy or girl and just talk to them as a person. Get to know them. Don't concern yourself with their sin, let god worry about that, just talk to them as a person and find out about them. Not all homosexuals are what you think they are, and I think you could benefit from meeting and getting to know a few.

Can it do any harm?

 

[TheReasoner]

Ok, maybe you are not actually Lying on purpose, maybe you are just really confused. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. So I will call you just horrendously confused for right now.

So I am confused? It's not you? I mean, you promote genocide, say it's not - even claim it's loving and good. You believe this follows Christ's commands. You would have book pyres and burn tons of music, outlawing artforms - exactly like Hitler did - persecuting people for their political beliefs (again, exactly like Hitler), persecute them for their artistic preferences, and more. You would make thoughts subject to be criminal offenses. And you call us confused?

Now I will un-confuse you.

*raises one eyebrow*

Here is the word genocide from a real dictionary:

gen·o·cide

/ˈdʒɛn

əˌsaɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[jen-uh-sahyd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

So Websters isn't a 'real' dictionary? Hm.
So, homosexuals isn't a cultural group at all. Hence wanting to kill ALL homosexuals (starting in your own nation) isn't genocide at all. Nor are communists a political group? And what about 'nuking' nations that do harm to your nation's citizens? Definitely systematic. Definitely extermination. But sure, if you don't want to use that word, how about 'ethnic cleansing'. I mean, you do want to eliminate a certain group of your society after all. And not only that, but unlike certain genocidal nuts you don't put your desire to kill people for making a choice like religious affiliations up front - you put the thing people cannot choose, which can have a plethora of causes over which the person has no control. It is JUST like wanting to exterminate people with Downs syndrome. They can't help their condition, neither can many homosexuals.

I still say this is evil. If it doesn't fit the label genocide in your dictionary, it's certainly still mass murder, and it could easily be called ethnic cleansing. It's still evil.

Genocide.

Here is why I am not advocating "genocide". I am promoting Capital Punishment for crimes deemed worthy of Capital Punishment. I am getting the authority for prosecuting these crimes straight from THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!!!

Oh you are?
I will ask you then, why do you only want some crimes that hold the death penalty in the bible to hold the death penalty in your nation? I mean, why homosexuality and not eating blood and rare meat (Leviticus 17:10)?
Or how about handling an animal carelessly? (Exodus 21:29)
Or working on the sabbath? (Exodus 35:2)

It is still genocide, Shield.

HENCE, IF YOU SAY THAT I AM PROMOTING GENOCIDE; THEN YOU ARE CALLING GOD (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT) GENOCIDAL.

Now I know you don't want to call GOD genocidal; so maybe you should think this through real carefully.

Well, read the OT, are there passages there that explain mass killings of entire peoples? Yes, there are.

1. If you were to start a New Nation from scratch right now; and you told all the people that were going to go and live in this New Nation that the government of this New Nation was going to exercise Capital Punishment and these are the crimes it deems worthy of Capital Offenses; and one of them was 'homosexuality'! I am very sure that there would not be millions and millions of homosexuals lining up to go to this New Nation. Hello.

What about the children of that nations' citizens Shield? No doubt you'd maintain the US diet (which I consider sinful in itself) and impure water and foods through that, not to mention the extreme excess of medications. All of which contribute to hormonal imbalances and could probably have a certain effect on embryos and children. It certainly has an effect on adults, like making breast-cancer more common. But hey, juts kill the people who show symptoms, that way the corporations can continue doing whatever they wish for profit in their best capitalistic fashion.
Christian of you.

2. Let's say for example that Texas seceded from the Union, and it became the New C.S.A.. We would give all homosexuals 7 days to clear out and leave peacefully before we put our laws into effect that would have them face a capital offense. Also, we would offer up all prisoners to the U.S.A. that were their prisoners that happened to be incarcerated in the state of Texas. They would be citizens of the U.S.A. and to the U.S.A. they would go. We would not want any of these criminals living in our country in the first place. And to answer the question before you or others here ask it; Yes. We would make sure you were able to leave in 7 days. We would help financially, and any other way we could with food, clothing, transportation ect.. They would be sent packing across that border to the U.S.A..

Oh. Deportation. Nice. So, here's a scenario for you:
A mother who doesn't know much about health and hormones etc. is leading a life close to a pharmaceutical plant where she works. Her employers have shaved a few corners on the production to make more of a profit, which makes sure certain chemicals and hormones leak out. This is then absorbed into certain food and water systems, and then consumed by this mother. In addition, as an employee in a factory, she doesn't get a lot of money and buys fairly cheap meat. Which is laced with hormones. And, as all people in the former US of A, she is on a few medications of her own. Maybe for "Restless legs syndrome" or other fictional problems the pharmaceutical companies have conjured forth. In addition, her makeup products are another source of hormones and unnatural chemicals which seep through her skin and affect her, and more so - her embryo.
A lot of things can come of this. But it does cause destabilization, and let's say for purpose of argumentation that her child gets hormonal imbalances which affect him in a way to make him neither true male nor true female, yet not quite a hermaphrodite either. Little John ends up a homosexual, through no fault of his own, and through no conscious fault of his mother.

Little John grows up. He is bullied at school because he plays with dolls and prefers pink to blue (for example). As he becomes a teenager his inclination is more clearly shown. He becomes more and more feminine, and when guys notice girls, he notices other guys. More bullying follows suit, and even as an adult he faces a very hard life of exclusion and prejudice. Through no fault of his own I repeat.

THEN, a grown man, a certain man gains power, and tells him to quit his job, sell his house, leave the country within seven days. A task which is impossible, known to all. How would John react to this? How would the world react to it? Had John been born later, after the man had gained power, those hormones her mother had consumed would have meant he would have to die.

Is it really Christian to kill people for homosexuality? Even if it is a sin (which I am aware that it is) Christ died for our sins so we would not have to, and He has been very explicit - we are to love all, including enemies of ours. We are to do good to all, even those who wish us dead.
Yet you would kill those who through no fault of their own have a very real problem. Yes, it is a sin. No, we shouldn't kill them for it. We should love them, and help them. We should be inclusive and friendly. When all others shun them we should welcome them. Not while lying and saying we don't think it's wrong. But we should welcome sinners of all calibers.

3. So now we would have a New Nation with no homosexuals in it to execute for the crime of homosexuality. Or if we did have to exercise our law of Capital Punishment on homosexuality, it would be very very minute. So your visions of millions and millions of homosexuals being hung would be misplaced.

It's still a quest to exterminate homosexuals in your nation. And new homosexuals are born and made all the time. Some before they are even born. Some by choices of others around them. And some by choices influenced by others around them.

4. Even if the U.S. were to crack down and make homosexuality a Capital Offense; this would not be genocide either. Because the simple fact that homosexuals are just sinners just like murderers, rapists, or kidnappers. There are not a "national, racial, political, or cultural group" recognized by the HOLY BIBLE. They are a bunch of abominable sinners. Just like murderers come in all national, racial, political, and cultural groups; so do homosexuals.

Yes, they are sinners. As are you and I. You eat shrimp, right? Well, I d believe that holds the death penalty you know. Or how about rare meat? Ever worked on a sabbath?

Homosexuality is a SIN claimed worthy of DEATH by GOD. Here, you can read this eternal edict for yourself:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Lev. 20

And? A lot of stuff holds the death penalty. In fact, every sin does. I don't want anyone to be executed for their sins though. I want them to repent of their sins and change for the better.

NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY!!!

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST'S sacrifice for sins. We as Christians know and understand that Messiahs' sacrifice was perfect and has the power to cleans any and all sins. That is awesome and wonderful. No Christian would ever claim otherwise. I am not claiming otherwise. Stop accusing me of claiming otherwise.

Yes you are. in your actions and your beliefs you are saying that Christ's sacrifice was not good enough to pay for the sins of homosexuals. Yet almost all the other sins that hold the death penalty in the bible, you ignore. Which is a very powerful statement indeed Shield.

Now don't dose off! Pay close attention here!!!

WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM!!! Someone who commits Murder in the state of Texas will get executed by the state for this crime. THIS IN NO WAY NULLIFIES MESSIAHS' SACRIFICE ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. The murderer can confess his sins to GOD and have them cleansed if he becomes born again. If he stays in his sinful state, he can not have this sin or any other sin cleansed. So once again, this has nothing to do with Jesus' power to forgive sin. HE has the power and always will. That is not the issue. The issue is this man committed murder, and now he is going to be PUNISHED for this crime.

Being PUNISHED for a crime in no way NULLIFIES Messiahs' sacrifice for sin. Just like spanking your child for stabbing the cat to death, does not nullify Christs' sacrifice. You are punishing the child. You are teaching the child a lesson. You are also helping your society by training up the child to respect life and authority.

Yeah. Like they did in Germany. Sieg heil.

Hanging the murderer is teaching him and the rest of society a very strong and valuable lesson. You brutally murder someone in our society and we'll hang you by the neck until dead!!! You will not be able to ever do that filthy vile act again!!!

Funny. Because it is clear from history and current statistics that it doesn't work that way. Sorry to say so, but your idea is flawed. It is based on a hopelessly outdated system.

You give the murderer ample time to repent. If he does, awesome. If he doesn't; that is his bad, and he gets his neck stretched. Jesus Christ's sacrifice has no way been nullified, because you have given the sinful offender plenty of time to ask for forgiveness of his sins. The end.

SO THERE YOU GO!

Heh. But you're still saying that some sins can be forgiven, while others cannot. All sins hold the death penalty, but only some have caught your attention.

You are now un-confused. You now know and understand that I am in no way advocating "genocide". You can cease and desist your fallacious attacks against what I am saying.

Problem solved, we're good to go.

Oh, so now I'm confused? Anyone who disagrees with you or points out just how evil and insane you are are confused.
Sure.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

I still don't like your blasphemous attitude, Shield. I'd like for you to change that last sentence to something more fitting to your overall message
"Victory Through Hate" maybe?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

You know that this is an absolute left wing lie. There is absolutely NO fact or evidence that homosexuality is genetic.

Wrong.

http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519-survival-of-genetic-homosexual-traits-explained.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3735668.stm
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[TheReasoner]

You know that this is an absolute left wing lie.

You sure accuse a lot of people of lies they have not made. And I think this one is particularly funny, because you have no idea of what left wing politics are about, do you?
Oh? You claim you do? Please outline what the left wing IS then, can you?

I look educated; because I can read! Thank you.

Hehe. No, you do not look educated at all, Shield.
Maybe you have significantly lower standards than I do, but where I am from being educated is a lot more than being able to read and write. What's more, we generally don't tend to equate intellectuality with absurd claims. Nor do we consider empty accusations a sign of education. And what's more, your doing all your idiocy in ALL CAPS tends to make it look as though you're very far from having any education to speak of as well.
Biggest of it all is probably your pretty significant ability to ignore facts with a fanatic tenacity.
To be honest, you're extremely far from leaving an intellectual impression.

SOLI DEO GLORIA!

Please stop taking the Lord's name in vain.

 

[SallyNow]

Okay, okay, I get it: my questions aren't getting answered. Yet I keep coming back for more!

You know that this is an absolute left wing lie. There is absolutely NO fact or evidence that homosexuality is genetic.

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO GENETIC MURDERERS.

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO BORN RAPISTS!

JUST LIKE THERE ARE NO BORN PEDOPHILES!

THERE IS NO, AND NEVER SHALL BE A HOMOSEXUAL GENE.

That is all homosexual propaganda. Period. End of remark.

Actually, there are many genetic and prenatal things that can predespose people to certain behaviours, talents, strengths, weaknesses, etc.

Here are some studies regarding the connection:
APA article
PNAS article regarding birth order and sexual orientation


The two above sources are just a tiny sampling regarding the way genetics and prenatal conditions affect a person's behaviour. They are studies that strive to be as objective as possible.

Oh, my previous posts in thsi thread are #218, #208, #186 if you do want to answer the questions I've posed...

Do you know how gullible you sound???

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

 

[Nathan Poe]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]9 For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him. --Lev. 20[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]When did I say I was opposed to this?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]I guarantee you that this would change the U.S. of A. You teach your children about respect and discipline. You explain to them that they are to respect their elders and especially their father and mother. There is a chain of command that you will know and respect. GOD first and foremost. Then your father and mother. Then your government. Once a child knows and understands this, they are on the right path for being a good member of their community.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]9 For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him. --Lev. 20[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Teach the young some respect!!![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLI DEO GLORIA.[/FONT]

That's not an answer, SoF, that's a limp-wristed dodge.

I'm asking you about the children who don't learn respect -- will you hang them AS GOD COMMANDS YOU TO, or not?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Humm.... zero impact on my life??? Humm...

My wife was married once before she met me. Her last husband was a lazy bum who worked about 3 months a year, then sponge off her for the rest of the time. He also was having lots of sex outside their marriage. He was going to homosexual bars and going to town with many men in one night. She wondered why his desire was waning. She had no idea that he was having all kinds of buck wild homosexual sex. Well she finally found out because she read a letter that he had opened and left out on the coffee table. It said he had HIV. He had had this vile disease for about a year and was still having sex with her!!! She finally confronted him about it and he said so what? He was going to do what he wanted. So she told him she wanted a divorce; he said he wasn't going to give her a divorce. He was too comfortable sponging off of her while he had his homosexual fun!!!

She threatened to go to the police and charge him with attempted murder!!! After a long drawn out process, he finally gave in and gave her her divorce. Him and his family did many other things to her. They were a bunch of vile heathens that almost killed her. So don't tell me that homosexuality is victimless!

Humm... zero impact on my life??? Humm....

My father unknowingly let a homosexual into our house. He let him stay with us until he could get on his feet. He stood with us for a little over a year. This man was a raging homosexual. He had many "boyfriends". One day when my mother and father were not home, this homosexual decided to broaden his horizons. He committed acts of homosexuality upon me. I was 5 years old. This perverted homosexual did this many times to me over that time period. It damaged me severely. He was never caught because I was too ashamed and frightened to ever say anything.

Don't ever tell me that homosexuality is good or victimless. Ever.

Just as I suspected -- this has nothing to do with the Bible, and everything with your own need for vengeance.

I knew there had to be a reason you were cherry-picking the Bible to hang all homosexuals; why else would you give the disobedient children, people working on the Sabbath, and all non-Christians a free pass? Why else would you only kill a FEW of the people when GOD ALMIGHTY has commanded you to kill them all?

Because the C.S.A. is not about righteousness -- it's about fulfilling your personal vendetta. You're angry at gays because of your own experiences, and you want them ALL to suffer for it.

Have you ever spoken to a spiritual leader (priest, minister, etc.,) about your experiences with homosexuality?

 

[Allegory]

Quite an insult to the Man of Nazareth to call this ShieldOfFaith nation a "Jesusland"... but I think I'll skip the report button this time.

Yeah I didn't exactly notice just how crazy SoF is until after I made that post.

 

[TheReasoner]

Humm.... zero impact on my life??? Humm...

My wife was married once before she met me. Her last husband was a lazy bum who worked about 3 months a year, then sponge off her for the rest of the time. He also was having lots of sex outside their marriage. He was going to homosexual bars and going to town with many men in one night. She wondered why his desire was waning. She had no idea that he was having all kinds of buck wild homosexual sex. Well she finally found out because she read a letter that he had opened and left out on the coffee table. It said he had HIV. He had had this vile disease for about a year and was still having sex with her!!! She finally confronted him about it and he said so what? He was going to do what he wanted. So she told him she wanted a divorce; he said he wasn't going to give her a divorce. He was too comfortable sponging off of her while he had his homosexual fun!!!

She threatened to go to the police and charge him with attempted murder!!! After a long drawn out process, he finally gave in and gave her her divorce. Him and his family did many other things to her. They were a bunch of vile heathens that almost killed her. So don't tell me that homosexuality is victimless!

Humm... zero impact on my life??? Humm....

My father unknowingly let a homosexual into our house. He let him stay with us until he could get on his feet. He stood with us for a little over a year. This man was a raging homosexual. He had many "boyfriends". One day when my mother and father were not home, this homosexual decided to broaden his horizons. He committed acts of homosexuality upon me. I was 5 years old. This perverted homosexual did this many times to me over that time period. It damaged me severely. He was never caught because I was too ashamed and frightened to ever say anything.

Don't ever tell me that homosexuality is good or victimless. Ever.

It destroys in some way shape or form, everybody it touches. It is vile and abominable. Just like GOD says it is.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. --Lev 20

I know from personal experience why GOD said this. I understand that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION.

Zero impact on my life??? You are so barking up the wrong tree.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

ETERNAL IT STANDS!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!
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Ah. I should have guessed.

That's heavy stuff Shield. Wish I had known before though, I'd have understood you better.

Still, I understand exactly where you stand on the issue and why. But the fact remains the same Shield, it isn't good. Have you ever spoken with a professional about these things? The scars such acts can leave can be very big.

It makes it understandable, but not right. What you are promoting is still not good or godly. Oh, trust me I know exactly how tempting it can be to embrace such a stance. But it brings only evil with it Shield. There is no good in it.
I know exactly how hard it can be to do as Christ wants us to do, to love these people as much as Christ loves us. But hard to the border of impossible, it is still what He asked us to do. And if you work through all this junk that these men have left in your life you too can get rid of this hateful position you are in. Remember what the bible says, that He will lead us through the valley of the shadow of death, to green pastures. He is a good God. ANd He can truly rid you of this bile, if you let Him.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Well, read the OT, are there passages there that explain mass killings of entire peoples? Yes, there are.

You have just called GOD genocidal! All your words after that are null and void. You can not be taken seriously in any debate or conversation that includes GOD. Until you repent, you are not to be taken seriously.

GOD is the omnipotent ruler of the universe. HE is perfect and holy. HE does not and never will commit genocide. He punishes and judges and these judgments and punishments are perfectly righteous and holy. It is not genocide, it is righteous judgment and duly appointed punishment.

Guardian you have proved yourself to be of unsound doctrine. You have repeatedly called me names and accused me of things that are false. Even after I have very clearly demonstrated through sound doctrine that my position is very biblical. You now fit into this category:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. --Romans 16

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he F7 received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone's bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. 10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. 11 For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. 12 Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread. 13 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good. 14 And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. --2 Thess 3.

You need to repent of calling names and unsound doctrine. I am taking note of you and not keeping company with you. Until you can speak with me without calling me names and insinuating that I am Hitler and laughing at sound doctrine; then I have nothing to say to you.

Stop the all the shenanigans and I will speak with you.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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[TheReasoner]

You have just called GOD genocidal! All your words after that are null and void. You can not be taken seriously in any debate or conversation that includes GOD. Until you repent, you are not to be taken seriously.

GOD is the omnipotent ruler of the universe. HE is perfect and holy. HE does not and never will commit genocide. He punishes and judges and these judgments and punishments are perfectly righteous and holy. It is not genocide, it is righteous judgment and duly appointed punishment.

Yes, God is perfect and Holy. But did He not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Did He not kill all the Egyptian charioteers who followed Moses? Did He not on occasion command the Israelites to kill everyone in an enemy city? Including their cattle?
This was killing large ethnic or religious groups, was it not? Was it not deliberate? What else would you call it then? It was intentional killing of large groups of individuals, now I am not saying that it was not better than the alternative, I cannot see the alternative I am not God. But you will notice one key difference between the OT occurrences and your own idea:
These were performed by God.
What you propose will be performed by YOU. HUGE difference.

Now, yes, I know that in the bible it says very clearly that homosexuality is a sin which holds the death penalty, like incest, rape, and murder which you point out. I have never contested this fact, but I have challenged your view by bringing up numerous other counts by which

Guardian you have proved yourself to be of unsound doctrine. You have repeatedly called me names and accused me of things that are false. Even after I have very clearly demonstrated through sound doctrine that my position is very biblical.

No, Shield. It is not biblical at all. You have used the bible extremely selectively to justify a stance you hold a s a direct result of personal trauma. I know that can make it seem justified in your eyes. I know this bag of [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] (that is what it is) which was loaded onto your shoulders when you were five has the capability of making you believe that your view is good. Even Godly and just. It isn't though. Oh, I know exactly how tempting it is to yield to that strong desire for vengeance, how easy it is to justify it. But it is still evil and wrong. It is still diametrically opposed to the very core of Christianity. As I have mentioned before, the Devil knows the scriptures very well, and gladly uses them to convince s to take stances that are clearly anti-Christian and yet make us believe we're on the right side. When one experiences what you have, this is all the more easy. The strategy is actually quite ingenious, and works very well (sadly). Which is one reason why I was wondering if you might not be someone with a deep grudge against Christians coming on here - disguised as a Christian - to wreak havoc by slandering the gospel in this manner. I do not think this is the case anymore.
This is why the Lord has given us standards by which to measure and weigh what is given to us. The fruits of the spirit being key in this process. Another is whether someone acknowledges Christ as Christ. And by that I don't mean whether or not they say they are Christians, or whether or not they worship. Not even whether or not they raise people from the dead. The bible is clear that people may have or look like they have the gifts of the spirit and it may not be from God. So by whether or not someone acknowledges Christ as Christ I mean whether or not a person seeks to live up to the impossible ideals set before us by Christ. Namely to love all as He loved us. To do good to our enemies. To turn the other cheek. To work for peace. To work for the weakest among us. To forgive even those who do the most evil against us humanly conceivable and so on. That means what Christ asked was actually for the holocaust victims to forgive the man who shot, gassed or tortured them.
And herein lies the key to why I have said what I have. I have analyzed what you have said Shield, mind you it was a very easy process, and it has been very easy to see that what you promote is antithetical to core elements of Christ's teachings.

You need to repent of calling names and unsound doctrine. I am taking note of you and not keeping company with you. Until you can speak with me without calling me names and insinuating that I am Hitler and laughing at sound doctrine; then I have nothing to say to you.

You have undergone a severe trauma and that has left a deep scar! It's natural, but that does not mean your stance is sound, or even sane. It may very well be the product of evil, but it itself is actually even more evil if you can manage to believe that.
I have said you remind me extremely much of Hitler because you DO. Many of your stances are very similar to those which we use to identify Hitler.
Hitler outlawed many forms of music and art, he was the end of the german expressionism, which also meant a boom for Hollywood, but that's another story. You wish to do the exact same thing. Outlawing music ad art you don't like. Hitler persecuted homosexuals and communists, exactly like you intend to do. He also executed them, like you intend to do. What's more, Hitler used God to justify it all, just like you do. And Hitler claimed to have the bible on His side, like you do. You haven't mentioned concentration camps, but I have little doubt that when push comes to shove you will implement it, to "secure the evildoers in temporary facilities awaiting due processing" AKA concentration camps. Oh you might call them prisons. You might also refrain from scientific experimentation and even feed them. But encampments filled with people waiting to be killed is still pretty close to the same thing as Hitler did. Another difference is that Hitler had people believing him. You don't.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You have just called GOD genocidal! All your words after that are null and void. You can not be taken seriously in any debate or conversation that includes GOD. Until you repent, you are not to be taken seriously.

Do you plan to debate him or hang him?

You're not going to make any points by going into hysterics.

GOD is the omnipotent ruler of the universe. HE is perfect and holy. HE does not and never will commit genocide. He punishes and judges and these judgments and punishments are perfectly righteous and holy. It is not genocide, it is righteous judgment and duly appointed punishment.

And when that "judgement" is passed on an entire group of people -- men, women, children, infants -- what else is it but genocide?

Guardian you have proved yourself to be of unsound doctrine. You have repeatedly called me names and accused me of things that are false. Even after I have very clearly demonstrated through sound doctrine that my position is very biblical. You now fit into this category:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. --Romans 16

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So hang him already, Shield[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][/FONT]
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You need to repent of calling names and unsound doctrine. I am taking note of you and not keeping company with you. Until you can speak with me without calling me names and insinuating that I am Hitler and laughing at sound doctrine; then I have nothing to say to you.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Stop the all the shenanigans and I will speak with you.

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Oh please, just hang him already, Shield. -- consign him to the fate of all who disagree with you, and be the man we all know you really are.

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SOLI DEO GLORIA.[/FONT]

NON COMPOS MENTIS.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Do you plan to debate him or hang him?

You're not going to make any points by going into hysterics.

What are you talking about? Point out the "hysterics".

Come on Poe, that was weak.

 

[Cabal]

Is this utter insanity still being debated? Why is the troll still being fed?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Jesus isn't on board for the psychotic bovine excrement SoF's been posting, so please leave Him out of it.

 

[TheReasoner]

Is this utter insanity still being debated? Why is the troll still being fed?

You must not sleep
by Arnulf Øverland, 1935

I awoke one night from a strange dream,
it was like a voice speaking to me,
remote like a undertow -
and I stood up: What is it you want?

- You must not sleep! You must not sleep!
You must not believe it was only a dream!
Yesterday I was convicted.
Tonight they've raised the gallow.
They'll pick me up at five tomorrow!

All the basement are filled,
and all barracks has cell by cell.
We're lying and waiting in stone cold cells,
we're lying rotting in dark holes!

We don't know ourselves what is waiting,
and who's the next they will be taking.
We moan, we scream - but can you hear?
Are there absolutely nothing you can do?

Nobody can see us.
Nobody knows our fate.
Even more:
No one will believe what happens here daily!

You think it can't be true,
that such evil is not possible to man.
There are after all decent people around?
Brother, you have still a lot to learn!

It was said: You shall give your life, if it's demanded.
And now we have given it, in vain, in vain!
The world has forgot us! We have been deceived!
You must sleep no more tonight!

You must not go to your business venture,
and think about your wins or losses!
You must not blame the land or cattle,
and think that this is more than enough!

You must not sit in your snug home,
and say: That's sad, poor people!
You must not endure so very well,
the unjustice that does not affect yourself!
I shout with my voice, the last breath,
you are not allowed to go and forget!

Forgive them not; they know what they do!
They're breathing the glow of evil and hate!
They enjoy the killing, the moaning excites them,
they want to drown us all in blood!
You don't believe it? You know it, I know!

I know you know that children are soldiers,
that flows with song over plaza's and streets.
Egged on by their mother's piety,
will defend their country and go to war!

You know the low of people's deceit,
with glory, with faith and honor -
you know that a hero, the child will dream of,
you know he will wave the sword and the flag!

And then he's sent into a rain of steel,
entangled in a barbed wire reel,
and rot for Hitler's aryan race!
You know, that is the meaning of it all!

I didn't understand it. Now it's to late.
My judgement is fair. My sentence deserved.
I believed in progress, I believed in peace,
in work, in solidarity and mostly, in love!

But those that don't want to die in a flock,
get to try it alone, at the hangmans block!

I shout in the dark - if only you could hear!
There are only one thing left to do:
Help yourself, while your hands are free,
Save your children! Europe is burning!

*********

I shook by frost. I put some clothes on.
Outside the stars was a glitter.

To the east only a slight gleam,
was telling the tale of the voice from the dream:

The day behind the rim of the earth,
arose with a tinge of blood and fire,
arose with a fear so breathless and dire,
it was like the stars themselves froze!

I thought: Now it is happening.
Our time is past - Europe is burning!


Or, if you want photos explaining why:
http://images.google.com/images?cli...=holocaust&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

That's why I can't shut up.

Jesus isn't on board for the psychotic bovine excrement SoF's been posting, so please leave Him out of it.

Agreed. This is not Christian. It is evil, vile, insane and anti-christian.

 

[mpok1519]

SoF>>

you're still losing.

why waste your life promoting such radicalism that no one agrees with?

Life is short buddy. You aren't using your time wisely. Go fly a kite or something; regain some of that lost inner child you really need to get in touch with.

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Another question;

do you hate homosexuals?

Do you feel the Bible expressly permits the execution of children caught with illegal drugs?

Would the CSA force widowed women to marry their brother-in-laws?

If the answer is yes, would you hang those women who refuse to marry their brother in laws, even if their bro-in-laws are diseased scumbags?

Isn't there a scripture that requires women whose husbands have died to marry their husband's brother?

 

[Nathan Poe]

What are you talking about? Point out the "hysterics".

Come on Poe, that was weak.

The following are your utter hysterics:

You have just called GOD genocidal! All your words after that are null and void. You can not be taken seriously in any debate or conversation that includes GOD. Until you repent, you are not to be taken seriously.

The good news is, under Biblical law, you can end the debate here and simply hang him.

But this was never about Biblical law, was it, Shield? It was a childhood trauma, replaying in your mind. You're still that 5 year old child lashing out at the Big Bad Homo, aren't you? Needing a few lynchings to give you the closure you cannot grant yourself?

Now that, Shield, is true weakness.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Another question;

do you hate homosexuals?

Do you feel the Bible expressly permits the execution of children caught with illegal drugs?

Would the CSA force widowed women to marry their brother-in-laws?

If the answer is yes, would you hang those women who refuse to marry their brother in laws, even if their bro-in-laws are diseased scumbags?

Isn't there a scripture that requires women whose husbands have died to marry their husband's brother?

He has to -- the Bible is explicit on all these issues, and Shield desperately needs to prove to somebody that this is righteousness, and not a personal grudge.