Could we already be dead?

[pyramid33]

Hitler became a paranoid mess and shot himself.

He lived the way he wanted to live. He was given methanphetamines for breakfast by his personal doctor.

 

[PsychoSarah]

He lived the way he wanted to live. He was given methanphetamines for breakfast by his personal doctor.

Hitler did not want to live his final days of life inside a bunker never seeing the light of day again. No one wants that.

 

[pyramid33]

I think it depends on the type and severity of that suffering.

If you mean the suffering of the marathon runner whose muscles ache with the distance, I'd call that a noble suffering. The runner has a noble purpose, and suffering is merely the price to pay.

If you mean existential suffering at the thought of death, sure, that's not such a great thing, but within certain bounds it can be made up for in other values in life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

You're very right. The balance seems to reer it's head in any case.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You're very right. The balance seems to reer it's head in any case.

If nothing else, the suffering provides a nice contrast to the pleasures of life.

 

[pyramid33]

Again...Hitler had to cut his life short to avoid his "consequences" which in itself I'd call a "consequence".

He was a ruler. He received what he decided. He ate as he saw fit. He told another to do and they did. He ruled. He was with a wife that he loved. He was able to end it at his choosing. If that was his life, with no consequence afterward, he made a very big name for himself doing what he wanted to do on his terms.

 

[PsychoSarah]

He was a ruler. He received what he decided. He ate as he saw fit. He told another to do and they did. He ruled. He was with a wife that he loved. He was able to end it at his choosing. If that was his life, with no consequence afterward, he made a very big name for himself doing what he wanted to do on his terms.

His consequence was living in fear and dying an early death, as well as the death of most of his family.

 

[pyramid33]

Sure, Hitler's consequences are eternal even if he personally is not. For the rest of eternity, Hitler will have lived a wasted life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

How can you say that? He doesn't care now, according to that. And you are still talking about him.

 

[pyramid33]

Ultimately, it doesn't change the fact that life is good when you look past the really bad parts, even if this is literally a living hell.

If this is some type of hell, it doesn't matter anyway.

 

[pyramid33]

No, but despair still comes from crushed hope.

Hope doesn't fail, unless you want it to.

 

[Ana the Ist]

He was a ruler. He received what he decided. He ate as he saw fit. He told another to do and they did. He ruled. He was with a wife that he loved. He was able to end it at his choosing. If that was his life, with no consequence afterward, he made a very big name for himself doing what he wanted to do on his terms.

Still, you see ending your life early as "a small price to pay"...I see no higher price to pay. So just in those few words, I place more value on life than you.

 

[pyramid33]

Well then maybe you see why those who don't believe in an afterlife value life so much more than you do.

Losing so much time alive seems a dire consequence to me.

As if you have a right to judge who values life more.

 

[pyramid33]

How do you get belief in God out of that?


eudaimonia,

Mark

You're still neglecting eternal life?

How does that help me?

 

[pyramid33]

Suffering is good

Starvation causes suffering

Therefore starvation is good

That doesn't work either.

What work's for you PsychoSarah? Eternity without pain and suffering or a mild dose of suffering?

 

[pyramid33]

Good for what purpose? And what type of suffering do you mean?


eudaimonia,

Mark

I don't know, I was responding to Psycho saying suffering is good.

 

[Ana the Ist]

As if you have a right to judge who values life more.

Pump the brakes there pyramid...those are your words, I didn't put them in your mouth. "A small price to pay"...that's how you describe ending a life early. I said there was no higher price to pay. By your own words you value the time alive that was lost as "a small price to pay". By my own words, it's the highest price to pay. Who do you think values life more?

 

[Eudaimonist]

How can you say that? He doesn't care now, according to that. And you are still talking about him.

He doesn't care now, but so what? He wasted his life. For the rest of eternity, he will have wasted his life. It doesn't matter that "he doesn't care now". He blew it.

You're still neglecting eternal life?

I don't believe in eternal life.

How does that help me?

Help you to do what?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[pyramid33]

Hitler did not want to live his final days of life inside a bunker never seeing the light of day again. No one wants that.

What did he want?

 

[pyramid33]

Still, you see ending your life early as "a small price to pay"...I see no higher price to pay. So just in those few words, I place more value on life than you.

I spoke in terms of your responses. Your suggesting life is once and then gone forever. I'm suggesting life is eternal.

 

[pyramid33]

Pump the brakes there pyramid...those are your words, I didn't put them in your mouth. "A small price to pay"...that's how you describe ending a life early. I said there was no higher price to pay. By your own words you value the time alive that was lost as "a small price to pay". By my own words, it's the highest price to pay. Who do you think values life more?

Your suggesting ending life. I'm suggesting life eternal. Focus.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I spoke in terms of your responses. Your suggesting life is once and then gone forever. I'm suggesting life is eternal.

I spoke in terms of your responses...why would I value this short life if I exist eternally? Think of it in terms of money...if you had an infinite amount of dollars and I took 100 from you...would you even worry about it? If you only had 200 dollars and I took 100...would you value the 100 I took more...or less?

Everything is more valuable when it's finite. It practically loses value the more of it there is.