Could we already be dead?

[pyramid33]

I'll let you in on a little secret. It sucks a lot more when one is young and one has lots of years ahead of one to explore. Once one does explore one's adult years more, it becomes a lot easier. Death doesn't feel quite so tragic.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Suffering is evil. In some degree we can all understand that.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Heck, I can break any rule and live like hitler and have no consequence's.

Sure, you can waste the only life you have as a fearful, hateful dictator. Those are your consequences.

If you waste your life as Adolf Hitler, there is no second chance. There is no God to give you a free out in a heavenly afterlife. There is no reincarnation to give one a chance to do better. You've wasted your only chance.

You've got one chance. If you waste it, too bad.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[PsychoSarah]

Suffering is evil. In some degree we can all understand that.

Suffering is evil

Giving birth causes the mother to suffer

Therefore, giving birth is evil

See the issue with that mentality?

 

[pyramid33]

Actually, there are more consequences when you have only 1 life to live.

If Hitler has no consequences and he lived the life he wanted to live, who actually fails according to your scenerio?

 

[PsychoSarah]

If Hitler has no consequences and he lived the life he wanted to live, who actually fails according to your scenerio?

Hitler became a paranoid mess and shot himself.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Suffering is evil. In some degree we can all understand that.

I think it depends on the type and severity of that suffering.

If you mean the suffering of the marathon runner whose muscles ache with the distance, I'd call that a noble suffering. The runner has a noble purpose, and suffering is merely the price to pay.

If you mean existential suffering at the thought of death, sure, that's not such a great thing, but within certain bounds it can be made up for in other values in life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Ana the Ist]

If Hitler has no consequences and he lived the life he wanted to live, who actually fails according to your scenerio?

Again...Hitler had to cut his life short to avoid his "consequences" which in itself I'd call a "consequence".

 

[pyramid33]

You realize that Hitler had to kill himself to avoid the consequences of his actions...right?

What an odd thing to say.

Small price to pay considering he was going to die anyway.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Hitler became a paranoid mess and shot himself.

Sure, Hitler's consequences are eternal even if he personally is not. For the rest of eternity, Hitler will have lived a wasted life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[pyramid33]

It's called despair, it can only exist if hope does, for despair is born when hope is crushed.

Hope and want aren't the same thing.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Is it possible that we are actually existing in purgatory or hell right now? We seem to be separated from any god, there is tons of pointless suffering around the world, we all live in fear of death...

So what if we were the souls that failed, and we don't even realize it, living in fear and suffering until we die again and are erased completely?

It's possible. Not specifically because of the reasons you point out but because at that point, anything is a possible reality.

It's possible our entire lives, even all of humanity, including the history of the universe could be a just a very well written computer program. Created by beings just like us except, they actually exist and we don't.

I don't see the point in believing that to be reality. Ultimately, it doesn't change the fact that life is good when you look past the really bad parts, even if this is literally a living hell.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Hope and want aren't the same thing.

No, but despair still comes from crushed hope.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's possible. Not specifically because of the reasons you point out but because at that point, anything is a possible reality.

It's possible our entire lives, even all of humanity, including the history of the universe could be a just a very well written computer program. Created by beings just like us except, they actually exist and we don't.

I don't see the point in believing that to be reality. Ultimately, it doesn't change the fact that life is good when you look past the really bad parts, even if this is literally a living hell.

Anything is going to look good if you ignore the bad parts

 

[Ana the Ist]

Small price to pay considering he was going to die anyway.

Well then maybe you see why those who don't believe in an afterlife value life so much more than you do.

Losing so much time alive seems a dire consequence to me.

 

[pyramid33]

Sure, you can waste the only life you have as a fearful, hateful dictator. Those are your consequences.

If you waste your life as Adolf Hitler, there is no second chance. There is no God to give you a free out in a heavenly afterlife. There is no reincarnation to give one a chance to do better. You've wasted your only chance.

You've got one chance. If you waste it, too bad.


eudaimonia,

Mark

So you believe in God. I knew it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

So you believe in God. I knew it.

-_- how does using the word waste suggest that?

 

[pyramid33]

Suffering is evil

Giving birth causes the mother to suffer

Therefore, giving birth is evil

See the issue with that mentality?

Suffering is good.

 

[Eudaimonist]

So you believe in God. I knew it.

In my post, I say that we have only one life to live, and there's no God to give us a second chance. How do you get belief in God out of that?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[PsychoSarah]

Suffering is good.

Suffering is good

Starvation causes suffering

Therefore starvation is good

That doesn't work either.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Suffering is good.

Good for what purpose? And what type of suffering do you mean?


eudaimonia,

Mark