Could the impeachment process cost the Dems among Independents?

[Basil the Great]

Marquette University usually has the best poll in Wisconsin and last week they had Trump beating 5 of the 6 Dems that they polled and Booker was the only one ahead of him and that was by only 1 point. This makes me wonder if possibly the impeachment hearings have cost the Dems with swing voters?

 

[Yttrium]

I don't know how representative I am of independents, but I'll vote for any Democratic candidate over Trump. Even candidates I would otherwise vote against, like Sanders or Warren. This time around it's not a matter of political positions. I don't want a president who is clearly delusional.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I would like to see Trump win by a landslide and the House and Senate solidly taken by the Democrats.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Wisconsin is a red state that Triump won in 2016. I don't take much stock in state polls for national topics anyway. Try Quinnipiac, Pew Research, and Gallup.

 

[wing2000]

...way too early to ask that question imo. Aso, I'm guessing a majority of voters are still not that engaged with the whole impeachment process at this stage.....the primaries are a long way off....

 

[Ken Rank]

I would like to see Trump win by a landslide and the House and Senate solidly taken by the Democrats.

If the Dems win both houses, Trump won't be president very long.

 

[GACfan]

As a registered Independent, the impeachment hearings won't change my vote against Trump.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

If the Dems win both houses, Trump won't be president very long.

Ronald Reagan had both Houses of Congress controlled by the Democrats during his last two years and accomplished things as well as George H. W. Bush throughout his whole term. Clinton survived impeachment with a Republican House and Senate.

 

[GodLovesCats]

If the Dems win both houses, Trump won't be president very long.

Trump will not be President for a single day in 2021. He will lose his re-election campaign - IF his name is still on the ballot.

 

[Bobber]

Trump will not be President for a single day in 2021. He will lose his re-election campaign - IF his name is still on the ballot.

Perhaps so but I'll book mark this thread and comment and give a response at that time. If you turn out right I'll admit it that I guess you were right but if you end up wrong maybe you can tell us what happened?

 

[GodLovesCats]

So you seriously think after Donald Turmp LOST the popular vote in 2016, he will win by merit next year? Especially considering his behavior in office that proves he is not only a criminal, but unfit to be President of the United States?

 

[Silverback]

Marquette University usually has the best poll in Wisconsin and last week they had Trump beating 5 of the 6 Dems that they polled and Booker was the only one ahead of him and that was by only 1 point. This makes me wonder if possibly the impeachment hearings have cost the Dems with swing voters?

The issue is this, there have been at least 3 investigations of the President, and the only thing that has definitively stuck was that he had relations with two strippers 10 years before he became President, he owned up to those. Everything else are just accusations, and speculation by the media, and have yet to be proven.

The Democrats pinned all their hopes on the Mueller report, which had no smoking gun.

Additionally, Congress has done nothing of substance since the last election, but are still being paid.

The impeachment process had better result in a Senate trial victory, or, it will backfire on them.

 

[FireDragon76]

Marquette University usually has the best poll in Wisconsin and last week they had Trump beating 5 of the 6 Dems that they polled and Booker was the only one ahead of him and that was by only 1 point. This makes me wonder if possibly the impeachment hearings have cost the Dems with swing voters?

I think some people have problems understanding the gravity of Trump's misdeeds. Many Americans couldn't even find Ukraine on a map.

So yeah, Democrats are taking a risk. Especially because Republicans are trying to engage in legalism and parroting Russian propaganda to obfuscate the issue. I could see how it could be confusing right now. But the process isn't over yet.

 

[Basil the Great]

I think some people have problems understanding the gravity of Trump's misdeeds. Many Americans couldn't even find Ukraine on a map.

So yeah, Democrats are taking a risk. Especially because Republicans are trying to engage in legalism and parroting Russian propaganda to obfuscate the issue. I could see how it could be confusing right now. But the process isn't over yet.

Yes, the process is not over and my grama used to tell us, "He who laughs last, laughs best".

 

[cow451]

I don't know how representative I am of independents, but I'll vote for any Democratic candidate over Trump. Even candidates I would otherwise vote against, like Sanders or Warren. This time around it's not a matter of political positions. I don't want a president who is clearly delusional.

Preach it!

 

[SimplyMe]

Trump will not be President for a single day in 2021. He will lose his re-election campaign - IF his name is still on the ballot.

I'm sorry, I expect Trump will be President for at least 20 days in 2021; since I doubt the Senate will vote to remove him. I suppose it is possible, particularly with his diet, that he might not live to see 2021 but I still think that is remote.

As for the election, I think it is too soon to make any type of predictions -- it is going to be a long year....

 

[miamited]

Marquette University usually has the best poll in Wisconsin and last week they had Trump beating 5 of the 6 Dems that they polled and Booker was the only one ahead of him and that was by only 1 point. This makes me wonder if possibly the impeachment hearings have cost the Dems with swing voters?

Hi BtG,

I really don't know if the impeachment investigation will hurt or hinder the Democratic party. I honestly don't see why it would, but there is a chance that if the Senate doesn't vote guilty, many might see it as a large waste of time.

However, when we handle criminal or questionable matters based on what everyone's going to think about the people that bring the charges rather than on whether there is any merit to the charges, then we've lost what this nation stands for as far as criminal prosecution.

When it gets to the point that we let someone that we like get away with murder because bringing charges would sully how people view those who bring the charges, rather than the criminal act of murder itself, then we have abandoned God's command that we be fair and just in our handling of the law.

There are a lot of people who see what President Trump was trying to do through a foreign government initiative, to use them to bring up an investigation into an American citizen, esp. a presidential candidate who would be running against him, as, at the very least, a highly suspect and questionable activity for a President of the United States to involve himself in. Those people have chosen to pursue charges for such activity without really caring what it might make them look like to others.

However, some polls do find that Independents, do, as a majority, support the impeachment of the president. It's always a toss up what 'swing' voters will do. That's what makes them 'swing' voters. They haven't really fallen solidly on one side of the line or the other. I do feel, though, that if the evidence does continue in the way that it's going, there may well be a lot of those 'swing' voters who will support impeachment. Will any be lots? Probably, but like I say, if some activity or party could definitively pigeon hole 'swing' voters, than they wouldn't be 'swing' voters. So, I'm just not sure of the wisdom that says we should do or not do something that a lot of people believe should be done, because we may ostracize some 'swing' voters.

BTW, I'm just curious, but in your title you mention 'Independent' voters, but in your post it becomes 'swing' voters. Is there a reason for that?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[FireDragon76]

I don't know how representative I am of independents, but I'll vote for any Democratic candidate over Trump. Even candidates I would otherwise vote against, like Sanders or Warren. This time around it's not a matter of political positions. I don't want a president who is clearly delusional.

Threatening whistleblowers with the death penalty on Twitter was beyond the pale for me. Our country is clearly experiencing a crisis in conscience, as most people aren't particularly concerned we have a criminal madman in the White House.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I'm sorry, I expect Trump will be President for at least 20 days in 2021; since I doubt the Senate will vote to remove him. I suppose it is possible, particularly with his diet, that he might not live to see 2021 but I still think that is remote.

As for the election, I think it is too soon to make any type of predictions -- it is going to be a long year....

Actually Trump would be in office exactly 19.5 days if the Senate is unwiling to convict him. His successor will be inaugurated at noon. As Christians, we can ask God to help at least 20 Republican Senators do the right thing and vote for convicting him, so not all hope is lost.

"These three things remain: Faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of all is love." (1 Corinthians 13:13)
"Faith is being sure of what you hope for and knowing what you do not see." (Hebrews 11:1)

Who says we should not have faith and hope in God's abillity to change the minds of at least 20 people?

 

[FireDragon76]

Actually Trump would be in office exactly 19.5 days if the Senate is unwiling to convict him. His successor will be inaugurated at noon. As Christians, we can ask God to help at least 20 Republican Senators do the right thing and vote for convicting him, so not all hope is lost.

"These three things remain: Faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of all is love." (1 Corinthians 13:13)
"Faith is being sure of what you hope for and knowing what you do not see." (Hebrews 11:1)

Who says we should not have faith and hope in God's abillity to change the minds of atleast 20 people?

As the evidence mounts and elections loom, it's not in the realm of impossibility to suggest that some Republicans may break ranks. Things may be up in the air more than the past. For instance, there are some metro areas in Texas that are leaning blue, that used to lean red, and the possibility exists that Texas could become a swing state.