Oncedeceived
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Because those that didn't see Him would taste death before they saw Him in heaven.
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So, some will die, and some won't die, before his crucifixion.
Why do you think he told them that?
Why so vague about something that you claim to have knowledge of? Is it a feeling? Did he speak to you? Did you "see" him in the beautiful nature around you? Did unexplainable coincidences convince you?
How is your knowledge of God so much more tangible than the examples of not-knowledge that you gave earlier in the thread?
This site does not refute nor dismiss ToE. Learn to read.
This is NOT a science site it is a creationist site.
NICE! A lifetime of believing something for which is no evidence and that you won't actually get until after you're dead! In fact, there's pretty much no good reason to believe it at all, but please, just take your word and live a happy life believing in one of the 100,000 gods humans created! And by the way, you don't actually deserve it so feel a bit unworthy too. (atheist quiz, Bible contradictions)
Please if Yahweh is real, then why Zeus isn't?
Then your claim to a literal interpretation is strained, since that's not what the text literally states:
"And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day."
In the morning of the third day, God made the Earth produce fruit-bearing trees, and in the evening God looked at said trees and say "it was good".
But there's a larger problem. Even if we take a non-literal interpreatation and say that Genesis 1:10-13 is actually saying God made the first living proto-cell that would eventually yield trees, this still all happens prior to the existence of the Sun (the fourth day).
Genesis still says that life existed prior to the Sun, which contradicts science, which says the Sun is a billion years older than the first whiff of terrestrial life.
That explains how what happened? If you're referring to the March discovery of bacteria in oceanic crust, then you misunderstand my point - I'm not questioning how plant-life could have survived without the Sun, I'm saying the Sun preceeds plants (and, indeed, all life on Earth) by hundreds of millions of years. This contradicts Genesis, which says life is older.
So which came first: life, or the Sun? Genesis says life came first, science says the Sun came first. Who's right, who's wrong?
And the other site that says the same thing which is a science site. I can get more if you want. The table and info i pasted was from a paper on the subject. Do you think they falsified the DNA results showing that gorillas are not our 2nd closet ancestor. So we have several sites all saying the same thing some religious some science. Are you saying they all falified the data. A DNA test is a DNA test, thats the great thing about it you cant fudge the evidence with fossils and making out they are something when their not. It is black and white just like they use in forensics to prove the guilt of an offender.
PLOS ONE: Phylogenetic Resolution and Quantifying the Phylogenetic Diversity and Dispersion of Communities
Pegasoferae, an unexpected mammalian clade revealed by tracking ancient retroposon insertions
Platypus sex is XXXXX-rated - 24 October 2004 - New Scientist
"Problems with Characterizing the Protostome-Deuterostome Ancestor" by Marcus R. Ross and Paul A. Nelson
How does this disprove ToE. Bonobos and Chimpanzees are our closest relatives. If this fact disturbs you then I am sorry but reality is hard sometimes.And the other site that says the same thing which is a science site. I can get more if you want. The table and info i pasted was from a paper on the subject. Do you think they falsified the DNA results showing that gorillas are not our 2nd closet ancestor. So we have several sites all saying the same thing some religious some science. Are you saying they all falified the data. A DNA test is a DNA test, thats the great thing about it you cant fudge the evidence with fossils and making out they are something when their not. It is black and white just like they use in forensics to prove the guilt of an offender.
Accepts ToE. How does this disprove ToE?PLOS ONE: Phylogenetic Resolution and Quantifying the Phylogenetic Diversity and Dispersion of Communities
Accepts ToE. How does this disprove ToE?Pegasoferae, an unexpected mammalian clade revealed by tracking ancient retroposon insertions
Accepts ToE. How does this disprove ToE?Platypus sex is XXXXX-rated - 24 October 2004 - New Scientist
Ah, Etheri's true colors revealed!
I knew it wouldn't take long. Slowly leaving the fold of Christianity....hahahahahahahahah How old are you really? Wouldn't it be nice to just let yourself be who you are and step out from behind your mask? Honesty is always the best policy.
Give me evidence that the sun came before the earth and that life could not live without the sun.
We think we know much about the solar system and how the sun and planets formed but we don't and we are finding out that we don't.
Our Very Normal Solar System Isn't Normal Anymore : Krulwich Wonders... : NPR
Notice that I explicitly stated that my point isn't that life cannot live without the Sun. What I actually said, was that the problem is the order of events: life is a billion years younger than the Sun, whereas Genesis 1 says life is older than the Sun (by about two days). Nothing to do with the Earth, nor life's dependency on the Sun. Simply chronology. So I'll repeat my question:Give me evidence that the sun came before the earth and that life could not live without the sun.
That new solar systems have unexpectedly close gas giants doesn't alter our solar system - if new data showed US people had atypical genetics, would that suddenly make you older than your mother? Obviously not. The solar system, it's turning out, is unusual, but not inexplicable. The data that show how old these things are still exist - the Sun is 4.57 billion years old, the Earth is 4.54 billion, life is 3.5 billion, flowering plants are 0.14 billion, etc.We think we know much about the solar system and how the sun and planets formed but we don't and we are finding out that we don't.
Our Very Normal Solar System Isn't Normal Anymore : Krulwich Wonders... : NPR
Thanks for the link. Very interesting.
Funny how the bible tells us we are a special and unique creation before we even knew any of that from the article.
After seeing flaws in Christianity itself I'm slowly leaving it, but I'm not really going into atheism...Darwin was an Agnostic, same for Einstein. That's why I changed my icon to "Seeker". I don't know what to believe anymore. I don't know much about evolution and the explosion, so if someone could explain it to me in a simple way.
And if someone could explain these:
1. How can nothing create the universe.
2. Since the magnetosphere of the Earth is very young, how could there even be advanced life, because the magnetosphere protects us from solar radiation?
3. The missing links?
And the evidence for your claims. Thank you.
Exactly, I can't remember who it was, but a Scientist said something about all we had to do was read the Bible and we would have saved a lot of time and effort with what we are finding now. I need to look that up again and see if I can find it. Regardless, science is finding out that the universe is looking more and more like the Bible claims it is.
The Bible was written by people who believed the world was flat. Knock yourself out if it pleases you but remember the next time you use the internet, computer, car, airplane, see a doctor, etc ad infinitum; you will in essence be enjoying the fruits of science and not of the Bible. Show me one scientific discovery the Bible has given us!Exactly, I can't remember who it was, but a Scientist said something about all we had to do was read the Bible and we would have saved a lot of time and effort with what we are finding now. I need to look that up again and see if I can find it. Regardless, science is finding out that the universe is looking more and more like the Bible claims it is.
The Bible was written by people who believed the world was flat. Knock yourself out if it pleases you but remember the next time you use the internet, computer, car, airplane, see a doctor, etc ad infinitum; you will in essence be enjoying the fruits of science and not of the Bible. Show me one scientific discovery the Bible has given us!
It's a Christian website trying to make you think it's a scientific site.If you are interested you can check out this series of lectures entited "The Genesis Conflict"
Browse Media - The Genesis Conflict - English - Amazing Discoveries TV
It's a Christian website trying to make you think it's a scientific site.
Notice that I explicitly stated that my point isn't that life cannot live without the Sun. What I actually said, was that the problem is the order of events: life is a billion years younger than the Sun, whereas Genesis 1 says life is older than the Sun (by about two days). Nothing to do with the Earth, nor life's dependency on the Sun. Simply chronology. So I'll repeat my question:
"[W]hich came first: life, or the Sun? Genesis says life came first, science says the Sun came first. Who's right, who's wrong?"
We don't know how old earth really is exactly and it could be older even than the evidence shows because factors could change it even more than 30 million years.Again, I'm not talking about the Earth (though for the record, the evidence shows the Sun formed 4.57 billion years ago, while the Earth formed 4.54 billion years ago, making the Sun 30 million years older - not a small difference, even on geological timescales).
That new solar systems have unexpectedly close gas giants doesn't alter our solar system - if new data showed US people had atypical genetics, would that suddenly make you older than your mother? Obviously not. The solar system, it's turning out, is unusual, but not inexplicable. The data that show how old these things are still exist - the Sun is 4.57 billion years old, the Earth is 4.54 billion, life is 3.5 billion, flowering plants are 0.14 billion, etc.
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