Could someone explain me evolution & Big Bang?

[Ginger123]

No its not. Its a Christian website with a serious of presentations done by a scientist who taught evolution at a university level for many years and who was converted based on the scientific evidence.

You guys are funny. Once its a christian website it's automatically wrong right? All of a sudden the science does not matter.

How can I put this? if they could show that evolution was wrong don't you think the world would want to know?
Let me put it another way, it's a Christian website right? who are they trying to convince? certainly not the scientific world because if they were they could put their findings though the usual channels, so who does that leave? Christians,
the website is there to keep Christians believing.

All Christian websites are directed at Christians just as creationists sites are only there to keep creationists believing.

Do Christians and creationists pay out a lot of money? these site are there to make sure that they keep paying out a lot of money, every lost Christian/creationist is lost revenue.

If they had something important to say they would say it outside of religion so the whole world would hear it,
not just a few Christians who come to the site.

 

[sfs]

Exactly, I can't remember who it was, but a Scientist said something about all we had to do was read the Bible and we would have saved a lot of time and effort with what we are finding now. I need to look that up again and see if I can find it. Regardless, science is finding out that the universe is looking more and more like the Bible claims it is.

That sounds nice but is mostly false. The universe, as understood by science, turns out to look almost nothing like the universe as understood by people who read the Bible before modern science came along.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Amo_5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, ...

Before science confirmed all these things they were already in the bible.

Science has confirmed that there are far more than seven stars in the Pleiades. Strangely enough, the people who wrote the Bible only counted the ones that people could see with the naked eye.

 

[bhsmte]

That sounds nice but is mostly false. The universe, as understood by science, turns out to look almost nothing like the universe as understood by people who read the Bible before modern science came along.

I can see it now. Every scientist having a bible by his side, to assure he is doing his work properly.

 

[Oncedeceived]

The Bible was written by people who believed the world was flat. Knock yourself out if it pleases you but remember the next time you use the internet, computer, car, airplane, see a doctor, etc ad infinitum; you will in essence be enjoying the fruits of science and not of the Bible. Show me one scientific discovery the Bible has given us!

In the beginning (time) God created (power) the Heaven (space) and the Earth (matter)... And the Spirit of God moved (motion) upon the face of the waters." [Genesis 1:1,3 … written some 3450 years ago].

Science expresses the universe in terms of Space, time, energy, matter. We add motion due to expansion.

The Bible claimed that wind/air had weight. 300 years ago science found that indeed this was true.

In Job it mentions singing stars. We find that this is true, they emit radio waves that can be recorded.

By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. [Hebrews 11:3]

The Bible knew about Atoms before science did.

There are the paths in the oceans, mountains in the oceans and springs under the seas were all found to be accurate.

I feel fortunate to live in a time when science is so exciting and has offered us so much, but that does nothing to reduce what the Bible gives us.

 

[Oncedeceived]

That sounds nice but is mostly false. The universe, as understood by science, turns out to look almost nothing like the universe as understood by people who read the Bible before modern science came along.

Ok, examples please.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

How can I put this? if they could show that evolution was wrong don't you think the world would want to know?

No. Its easier not to believe in God because then you don;t have to be accountable to a higher power. It is in man's best carnal interest to believe in evolution.

Let me put it another way, it's a Christian website right? who are they trying to convince? certainly not the scientific world because if they were they could put their findings though the usual channels, so who does that leave? Christians,
the website is there to keep Christians believing.

Well the presenter has presented to different audiences. You don't understand that indeed evolution is like a religion. People hold on to it for dear life. For instance, a couple yrs ago that discovery was made about the red blood cells in the dinosaur bone. Before that it was believed and for very good reason that red blood cells would not survive past a maximum of 10,000 years. But instead of then saying maybe the bone isn't that old which would cause major problems with the theory. They would say we were wrong about how long the cells can last.

All of the dating methods are inaccurate. Rocks that are 60 years old are sent for testing and are dated from 250,000 to 4 million years old. Yet, the inaccuracies would not be admitted. An old earth is fundamental for the evolutionary theory and nothing can cross the evolutionary theory.

When the fossil records shows that indeed gradualism cannot be proven and in fact the fossil record shows more variety in the past than now, then they came up with Punctuated Equilibrium to maintain the theory. It has been exposed that many fabrication of fossils was done to try to provide evidence for those that are said to be our ancestors.

If they had something important to say they would say it outside of religion so the whole world would hear it,
not just a few Christians who come to the site.

If they were given the voice they would. Why is it that the presenter who taught the evolutionary theory for many years in the university he taught in and was the head of the science department. When he decided he no longer believed in the theory of evolution was completely disbanned and none of his colleagues wanted to even speak to him anymore. Why didn't they ask him to write a publication. Look if you don't believe what the majority of scientist teach you are not given much of a opportunity.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Science has confirmed that there are far more than seven stars in the Pleiades. Strangely enough, the people who wrote the Bible only counted the ones that people could see with the naked eye.

Yes, no problem with picking out one verse.

 

[bhsmte]

No. Its easier not to believe in God because then you don;t have to be accountable to a higher power. It is in man's best carnal interest to believe in evolution.



Well the presenter has presented to different audiences. You don't understand that indeed evolution is like a religion. People hold on to it for dear life. For instance, a couple yrs ago that discovery was made about the red blood cells in the dinosaur bone. Before that it was believed and for very good reason that red blood cells would not survive past a maximum of 10,000 years. But instead of then saying maybe the bone isn't that old which would cause major problems with the theory. They would say we were wrong about how long the cells can last.

All of the dating methods are inaccurate. Rocks that are 60 years old are sent for testing and are dated from 250,000 to 4 million years old. Yet, the inaccuracies would not be admitted. An old earth is fundamental for the evolutionary theory and nothing can cross the evolutionary theory.

When the fossil records shows that indeed gradualism cannot be proven and in fact the fossil record shows more variety in the past than now, then they came up with Punctuated Equilibrium to maintain the theory. It has been exposed that many fabrication of fossils was done to try to provide evidence for those that are said to be our ancestors.



If they were given the voice they would. Why is it that the presenter who taught the evolutionary theory for many years in the university he taught in and was the head of the science department. When he decided he no longer believed in the theory of evolution was completely disbanned and none of his colleagues wanted to even speak to him anymore. Why didn't they ask him to write a publication. Look if you don't believe what the majority of scientist teach you are not given much of a opportunity.

This person is free to show evolution is wrong at any time. All he has to do, is produce the evidence that would override the abundance of evidence we currently have the supports evolution. Science has adapted many times over the years when evidence is presented, no one is stopping this guy or anyone else from showing evolution is wrong.

 

[46AND2]

It is a simple observation to determine who has knowledge of God's existence and those who only believe that God exists. I don't have to know someone's journey to know when they have experienced the revelation of God. As far as my own experience, it is a long many year discovery and revelation that really isn't relative to others and especially to those who don't believe in the first place.

In other words, it's a conviction/feeling you have based on years studying the Bible, praying, and being convinced that it is true. So how is that different than an evolutionary biologist being convinced through school? How is one knowledge, and the other not?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Science has confirmed that there are far more than seven stars in the Pleiades. Strangely enough, the people who wrote the Bible only counted the ones that people could see with the naked eye.

This is the actual Hebrew translated text: 8 Him that maketh the Pleiades and Orion, and bringeth on the shadow of death in the morning, and darkeneth the day into night; that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth; the LORD is His name;

However, there are seven to the naked eye and hundreds that can be seen by us today. Why mention the hundreds that are not important in the verse? Seven is a number that is very important to God and His creation and we find an interesting fact that is not mentioned but interesting to other Christians, The brightest stars in the cluster (Alcyone is magnitude +2.8, and Pleione +5.1) are distributed over about seven light years.

 

[Oncedeceived]

In other words, it's a conviction/feeling you have based on years studying the Bible, praying, and being convinced that it is true. So how is that different than an evolutionary biologist being convinced through school? How is one knowledge, and the other not?

No, it had studying the Bible, praying and studying other religions but that is not the whole of the process.

I don't know how you got the idea that evolutionary biologists do not have knowledge. I'm lost.

 

[46AND2]

No, it had studying the Bible, praying and studying other religions but that is not the whole of the process.

I don't know how you got the idea that evolutionary biologists do not have knowledge. I'm lost.

That was your claim. Science isn't about knowledge or proving something:

No, you didn't know the earth was flat, you believed it. You didn't know Santa came down chimneys, you were told it and believed it. You didn't know any of that.

Science is not about knowing or proving it is about theories and information and what can be shown through evidence. It doesn't work on truth per se.

I'd like to know how your "process" is any different than a scientist's process...

 

[mzungu]

This is the actual Hebrew translated text: 8 Him that maketh the Pleiades and Orion, and bringeth on the shadow of death in the morning, and darkeneth the day into night; that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth; the LORD is His name;

However, there are seven to the naked eye and hundreds that can be seen by us today. Why mention the hundreds that are not important in the verse? Seven is a number that is very important to God and His creation and we find an interesting fact that is not mentioned but interesting to other Christians, The brightest stars in the cluster (Alcyone is magnitude +2.8, and Pleione +5.1) are distributed over about seven light years.

Don't give me your personal interpretation of what you think it says. Also you are doing nothing more than what politicians do when they spin a story.

What you are claiming is like me saying: "Hey I can see the stars therefore I am an astrophysicist". You remind me of the pastor who claimed that he could prove with numbers in a name who was the Antichrist until someone pointed out to him that his formula also gave his name the number 666!

Now name me one scientific discovery the Bible made!

 

[Oncedeceived]

So, some will die, and some won't die, before his crucifixion.
Why do you think he told them that?

I was running quickly through this thread and I don't think I answered this post.

Are you being obtuse? It is obvious that some would see Him after His death and others would have to wait until they died to see Him. So those who would not taste death before they see Him coming into His kingdom saw Him after His death and the others were not present to see Him after His death so they will see him after their own deaths.

 

[Oncedeceived]

That was your claim. Science isn't about knowledge or proving something:



I'd like to know how your "process" is any different than a scientist's process...

I did a quick scan of the posts in the threads and I can't find what you are talking about. Would you mind finding it and posting it so I know what you are referring to?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Don't give me your personal interpretation of what you think it says. Also you are doing nothing more than what politicians do when they spin a story.

I love this. Evolutionary scientists do that all the time. They devise ways that this or that mechanism could have evolved, what they might have looked like in an earlier form and what behaviors might have caused this or that. Now you want to claim that I am making up stories! What is the universe made of? Things that are not visible. How can I interpret this any differently? If you are not referring to the examples I gave (since your quote has the stars post) if you are claiming that I am interpreting something in that post, please provide where. I gave the Hebrew text of the chapter and verse cited and nothing more. I added some other information that I thought would be interesting to my fellow Christians.

What you are claiming is like me saying: "Hey I can see the stars therefore I am an astrophysicist". You remind me of the pastor who claimed that he could prove with numbers in a name who was the Antichrist until someone pointed out to him that his formula also gave his name the number 666!

Hm. Quite a stretch there I believe. I was just pointing out that the original text didn't have seven in it at all. Regardless, I don't see that as a problem even if it were.

Now name me one scientific discovery the Bible made!

What do you mean by one scientific discovery the Bible made? The Bible doesn't make anything. The atom is a very astonishing discovery that was claimed in the Bible long before science discovered it.

 

[HitchSlap]

I was running quickly through this thread and I don't think I answered this post.

Are you being obtuse? It is obvious that some would see Him after His death and others would have to wait until they died to see Him. So those who would not taste death before they see Him coming into His kingdom saw Him after His death and the others were not present to see Him after His death so they will see him after their own deaths.

Your explanation only makes sense if he was referring to his crucifixion or transfiguration. However, many scholars believe he was referring to his second coming, which is evidenced by the early apostles behavior.

If we accept your explanation, then why did he equivocate? What's the purpose of essentially telling his followers "hey, some of you guys will see me, some won't. It is what it is." Your explanation doesn't follow the narrative. If, as most scholars suggest, Jesus was referring to his second coming, then you have a failed prediction. Which is why I think you have retrofitted your explanation to fit the facts.

 

[HitchSlap]

The atom is a very astonishing discovery that was claimed in the Bible long before science discovered it.

And the Koran describes embryology.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Your explanation only makes sense if he was referring to his crucifixion or transfiguration. However, many scholars believe he was referring to his second coming, which is evidenced by the early apostles behavior.

If we accept your explanation, then why did he equivocate? What's the purpose of essentially telling his followers "hey, some of you guys will see me, some won't. It is what it is." Your explanation doesn't follow the narrative. If, as most scholars suggest, Jesus was referring to his second coming, then you have a failed prediction. Which is why I think you have retrofitted your explanation to fit the facts.

I agree that there are those that believe it refers to His second coming and it has been shown that some verses have two meanings. However, I don't see that the verses prior to or after support that. I could be wrong, but that is my take on it.

Jesus would be just telling them that some would see Him and other wouldn't, how does that create any problem.