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Thank you, beloved of God. You cannot know how your humility has touched this wound and helped to heal it.
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Thank you, beloved of God. You cannot know how your humility has touched this wound and helped to heal it.I'm so sorry that happened.
I feel badly with him being a deacon, but I can't comment on that. That just isn't the way we are taught to think.
Certainly, there are some here and there (mainly fairly new converts who seem to get most of their information from books and online, maybe without the benefit of being able to discuss what they are reading) and that minority seems to be more vocal than their numbers and it makes me cringe how they may be running people away from Christianity altogether and the Church in particular. Lord have mercy. I fear sometimes some little thing I say could stumble someone - I can be very foolish. And you never know how someone will take something.
But what you said grieves me a lot. I am sorry.
You have my prayers, and I will pray for the person who said those things too. It seems maybe he needs prayer as well.
But I really don't think it was actually you. You never know - maybe he was very hurt over a close family member and worried about them because of something else entirely involving that person and Catholicism, or something on that level, and just reacting out of his hurt.
I am sorry though. God be with you.
It would be like if a Catholic diocese broke away from Rome to join the Lutheran Church, but the Lutherans let them keep Romish worship and doctrines.From my understanding the Eastern Catholics are Orthodox in every way except their recognition of the Bishop of Rome's primacy as Orthodoxy did until the Schism. Are they also heretics? I wanted to consider, in your view, will our Eastern brothers be joining us in hell?
It is not our place to usurp Christ's judgement of who will be condemned.
Saying that some of Rome's doctrines are heresies does NOT equal saying that everyone in communion with Rome will be condemned.
Incidentally, we also do not say that everyone in communion in Orthodoxy will necessarily "be saved".
Firstly we don't pass judgement on anyone's salvation, and secondly we don't equate salvation absolutely with communion.
But because Orthodoxy and Rome have important differences in doctrines, it is almost a given that we view some of them as heresies. I suspect that is true of Rome as well.
I don't really bear a grudge against Catholics in general, since they tend to be raised in the faith. The bishops and cardinals, though, I see as enemies of the faith, due to Vatican II and the efforts they seem to continually make to modernize things. Cardinal Robert Sarah is pretty cool, though.ahh thats so sad.
Hostility and derogatory attitudes towards other Christians be that heretics or not are emotions that keeps us from sainthood.
One may look at other churches glasses as half full as far as devine revelation and truth concerns that a obvious fact, but to outright dismiss them as departed Brothers and sisters in Christ reminds me of some sort of elitism and a desire for uniquity that doesnt serve either Christ nor his Church.
I Guess ive been lucky in my encounters With my Orthodox brethren then.
Most Orthodox clergy that Ive been in touch With aswell as laymen and women have shown great Hospitality and love towards me as catholic and towards our Church.
From my understanding the Eastern Catholics are Orthodox in every way except their recognition of the Bishop of Rome's primacy as Orthodoxy did until the Schism. Are they also heretics? I wanted to consider, in your view, will our Eastern brothers be joining us in hell?
That being said doctrinal disagreements should never be an excuse to acting hostile toward those who believe differently.
If both parties believe what they do and hold to their position one should strive towards a mutual respect and if possible friendship.
I think Bartholomew leads perfectly by example.
He is not giving up his faith, but yet he find it in himself to be graceful towards others and show of some true beautiful orthodox love for his neighbors.
Some Eastern Catholics are in a very strange place. Many will claim that they are not required to believe a number of Rome's doctrines (see some of Monk Brendan's posts) which are not consistent with Orthodox belief, but finding official Church documents stating as much has proved a fruitless exercise. It is very strange to be allowed to believe things contrary to the doctrines of Rome, just as long as you place yourself under the Pope's authority. It is a position you will find scant support for in the first millenium.From my understanding the Eastern Catholics are Orthodox in every way except their recognition of the Bishop of Rome's primacy as Orthodoxy did until the Schism. Are they also heretics? I wanted to consider, in your view, will our Eastern brothers be joining us in hell?
are they as heretical? yes. and please don't presume you know our eschatology please. no one said that any RC will end up in hell by default.
Thank you, beloved of God. You cannot know how your humility has touched this wound and helped to heal it.
Ok I thought you were in agreement on just about everything and I apologize for the snide remark, I have been told where my destination will be by a few Protestants and I sometimes automatically put my guard up. I have found that since I posed this question more than a couple of my separated brethren humbly decline comment on someone else's spiritual condition.
Thank you for answering my open question Army.
The reason I asked it is because I sense a more hostile take on Rome in here than I've ever experienced IRL.
If many in here are ex protestants it's not unlikely that some of you carry some of the resentment towards Rome with you from your past.
I know Ive kept some of my attitudes from my time as a protestant.
Modern ecumenical dialogue is pointless between Rome and Orthodoxy. Why would they be close whenever at Lyon II and in Pope Eugenius's Papal Bull, 'Cantate Domino', the Eastern Orthodox Church is condemned? Both sides have anathematised one another unalterably. The true condition is the embrace of the other's religion en masse. Since that plainly isn't likely to occur further ecumenical 'dialogue' is not only fruitless but impossible.Mm yeah but then they wouldn't pronounce churches anathema or heretic right? Is that not kind of saying where the church isn't?
Your understanding is false. The Filioque and Vatican I Papal Supremacy, and the Satisfaction theory of Atonement are heretical according to Eastern Orthodoxy. Indulgences and Purgatory are also rejected as well. And the Immaculate Conception. All these are refuted by the Eastern Orthodox.From my understanding the Eastern Catholics are Orthodox in every way except their recognition of the Bishop of Rome's primacy as Orthodoxy did until the Schism.
According to Eastern Orthodoxy, yes.Are they also heretics?
That is for God to judge, not I. Let one be contrite, penitent, and strive to embrace the Universal, Apostolic Christian Faith of the Fathers.I wanted to consider, in your view, will our Eastern brothers be joining us in hell?
It really is ...The more I learn the more I understand just how wide the cavern is between Eastern Orthodoxy and Romanism.
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