Could dinosaurs have been purposely excluded from the Ark for some reason?

[dqhall]

So what do the 6 days of Creation in Genesis mean to you? Remember, each day had an evening and morning.

A day is like a thousand years. 2 Peter 3:8
What does this mean to you?

 

[Richard.20.12]

A day is like a thousand years. 2 Peter 3:8
What does this mean to you?

The "evening and morning" clearly mentioned in Genesis preclude me from associating the two. To me God has specifically itemized this for us to take notice. Otherwise I see no reason why this is mentioned. He knew people would try to weasel out of accepting a 6 day Creation. The Bible often accentuates areas God knows we will be weak in. In the 10 Commandments God spend way more time on the Sabbath commandment than any other because He knew it would be the most ignored later.

 

[Halbhh]

So what do the 6 days of Creation in Genesis mean to you? Remember, each day had an evening and morning.

Reading
1 Samuel 3:1 And the boy Samuel ministered to the LORD before Eli. Now in those days the word of the LORD was rare and visions were scarce.

we notice a key thing, something we also see in other places in the bible:

That God uses dreams and visions very often (more than other ways) to communicate to us, to give word/direction to his people.

Some visions have also Spoken Words from God, such as the vision in Acts 10, where the vision is a combination of seen images and spoken words, both.

11 He [Peter] saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

(Notice the vision recipient does not initially understand --)

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate.
Acts 10 NIV

But also in a dream a meaning sometimes will be given or come across also, communicated to us without spoken words somehow. (I know this first hand)

So, there are visual scenes in a vision, but also sometimes communicated meaning (that the recipient sometimes somehow understands an intended meaning, even without audible words), and then in some special visions, there are even audible spoken words. These are rare and special visions it seems, these that have audible words.

Now, as we all already realize, the recipient of the Genesis 1 revelation would not be able to himself be there in person during creation(!)....

Of course he lived much later than the time of creation...

So, to understand even a little, even just partially, this amazing and unexpected revelation, he would be given we can expect visual revelation (visually seen scenes just like Peter had in Acts 10), along with probably communicated partial understanding (we never understand 100% of everything in a vision right off the bat), and finally in this very special vision of revelation, also the Spoken Words of God.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

!

Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.

!

What an amazing vision this was, and what an amazing blessing to receive it.

 

[RDKirk]

So what do the 6 days of Creation in Genesis mean to you? Remember, each day had an evening and morning.

Interesting that the day as stated extended only from evening to morning.

A Jewish day would have extended from evening to evening.

A pagan day would have extended from morning to evening.

Nobody's day extended from evening to morning.

However, a vision given as a dream during the night might be called a "day" that extended from morning to evening.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I don't see any evidence of this in the Bible as all animals seemed to be brought on board but maybe I'm missing something. What do you think?

You never saw any evidence of this in the Bible because it is obviously impossible. Dinosaurs had died out hundreds of millions of years before the first primates came into existence. So there is no way humans in any part of the world could have seen dinosaurs, much less their eggs.

"All animals" means every animal species that existed at the time. Dinosaurs were not among them.

 

[RDKirk]

Reading
1 Samuel 3:1 And the boy Samuel ministered to the LORD before Eli. Now in those days the word of the LORD was rare and visions were scarce.

we notice a key thing, something we also see in other places in the bible:

That God uses dreams and visions very often (more than other ways) to communicate to us, to give word/direction to his people.

Some visions have also Spoken Words from God, such as the vision in Acts 10, where the vision is a combination of seen images and spoken words, both.

11 He [Peter] saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

(Notice the vision recipient does not initially understand --)

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate.
Acts 10 NIV

But also in a dream a meaning sometimes will be given or come across also, communicated to us without spoken words somehow. (I know this first hand)

So, there are visual scenes in a vision, but also sometimes communicated meaning (that the recipient sometimes somehow understands an intended meaning, even without audible words), and then in some special visions, there are even audible spoken words. These are rare and special visions it seems, these that have audible words.

Now, as we all already realize, the recipient of the Genesis 1 revelation would not be able to himself be there in person during creation(!)....

Of course he lived much later than the time of creation...

So, to understand even a little, even just partially, this amazing and unexpected revelation, he would be given we can expect visual revelation (visually seen scenes just like Peter had in Acts 10), along with probably communicated partial understanding (we never understand 100% of everything in a vision right off the bat), and finally in this very special vision of revelation, also the Spoken Words of God.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

!

Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.

!

What an amazing vision this was, and what an amazing blessing to receive it.

But how much "creation time" did that vision span? And did each vision span the same amount of creation time? How do we know the vision given during that first evening to morning didn't span a billion years of creation?

 

[Halbhh]

But how much "creation time" did that vision span?

That's what we all discuss so much Since the Earth clearly looks far older than 10,000 years, vastly so. Ussher made some key wrong assumptions.

And did each vision span the same amount of creation time? How do we know the vision given during that first evening to morning didn't span a billion years of creation?

We aren't told much about the vision, (such as who it was given to as in some other visions) I think because that would incorrectly focus attention onto the recipient, and it's not about him. If a vision is about a particular person, then we are told what person receives the vision, or if for a nation, we are told what nation. But this vision is for all of humanity and not about any one person or nation.

I think that time duration is the least important thing to this vision, because it's about instead a key message to us which is repeated 7 times. (as we see in reading through)

And also another main goal of this vision I think is the wonderful way it transports us and uplifts us when we just listen to it. It makes us better ready to read what comes next, with a more opened mind and ears better ready to listen and hear. It was by truly listening that I started to understand why Eve was made from a rib, instead of just dirt from the ground. Listening is so key. When Adam says "bone of my bone" you start to get how the bond is so deep, so much more than just friendliness.

 

[Richard.20.12]

Interesting that the day as stated extended only from evening to morning.

A Jewish day would have extended from evening to evening.

A pagan day would have extended from morning to evening.

Nobody's day extended from evening to morning.

However, a vision given as a dream during the night might be called a "day" that extended from morning to evening.

"And the evening and the morning were the first day." To me that means it concludes the first day. Nobody would consider one day to go from the evening and end at the morning. That makes no sense.
When I read the Bible it makes sense and I take it at face value unless its obviously using illustrative language. God is a clear communicator and doesn't write in code. That wouldn't make any sense and just confuse us.

The fact that "the evening and the morning" is repeated after every single day is God pounding it into our stubborn stiff necked minds that these are real days otherwise it wouldn't be repeated 6 times! 6 times! That's God saying "Look at this and take note!"

Otherwise how would someone explain why something that repeats 6 times in close succession means something completely different from what it appears? What could possibly be the purpose of writing like that?

 

[GodLovesCats]

A day is like a thousand years. 2 Peter 3:8
What does this mean to you?

Science is totally objective. Paleontologists, geologists, and astronomers repeatedly proved beyond doubts Earth was already over a billion years old by the time humans came into existence. That verse is about God's infinity. One day for us is very short in relation to God, who has no time restriction like things in the world do. It has nothing to do with how old Earth was when God created man.

 

[dqhall]

Reading
1 Samuel 3:1 And the boy Samuel ministered to the LORD before Eli. Now in those days the word of the LORD was rare and visions were scarce.

we notice a key thing, something we also see in other places in the bible:

That God uses dreams and visions very often (more than other ways) to communicate to us, to give word/direction to his people.

Some visions have also Spoken Words from God, such as the vision in Acts 10, where the vision is a combination of seen images and spoken words, both.

11 He [Peter] saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

(Notice the vision recipient does not initially understand --)

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate.
Acts 10 NIV

But also in a dream a meaning sometimes will be given or come across also, communicated to us without spoken words somehow. (I know this first hand)

So, there are visual scenes in a vision, but also sometimes communicated meaning (that the recipient sometimes somehow understands an intended meaning, even without audible words), and then in some special visions, there are even audible spoken words. These are rare and special visions it seems, these that have audible words.

Now, as we all already realize, the recipient of the Genesis 1 revelation would not be able to himself be there in person during creation(!)....

Of course he lived much later than the time of creation...

So, to understand even a little, even just partially, this amazing and unexpected revelation, he would be given we can expect visual revelation (visually seen scenes just like Peter had in Acts 10), along with probably communicated partial understanding (we never understand 100% of everything in a vision right off the bat), and finally in this very special vision of revelation, also the Spoken Words of God.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

!

Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.

!

What an amazing vision this was, and what an amazing blessing to receive it.

The Bible commanded them to avoid eating unclean things. In the case you described, the Holy Spirit commanded Peter to ignore these Kosher laws and go visit a Gentile household where there were items that were ritually unclean as they were not Kosher.

 

[Halbhh]

The Bible commanded them to avoid eating unclean things. In the case you described, the Holy Spirit commanded Peter to ignore these Kosher laws and go visit a Gentile household where there were items that were ritually unclean as they were not Kosher.

We remember also Jews tended at that time to think of gentiles as themselves unclean in a sense, being uncircumcised for instance.

 

[RDKirk]

"And the evening and the morning were the first day." To me that means it concludes the first day. Nobody would consider one day to go from the evening and end at the morning. That makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense if we're talking about a vision-dream occurring during the night, and there are multiple scriptural precedents for that very thing.

In no place is there an idea of "evening and morning" being a 24-hour day; that idea is what makes no sense.

 

[dqhall]

We remember also Jews tended at that time to think of gentiles as themselves unclean in a sense, being uncircumcised for instance.

They had theories such as not only is eating pork unclean, but touching someone who ate pork that day makes someone unclean and more extreme examples from the Talmud speculated sitting in a chair where someone unclean had sat makes one unclean. A woman in her period was quarantined for a week due to her ritual uncleanness. Touching a corpse made someone unclean. Hershel Shanks was the editor of Biblical Archaeology Review. He gave a lecture and talked about jumping uncleanness. A pitcher of water poured into an unclean cup might result in uncleanness jumping from the cup to the pitcher. There was a Jewish argument that a pebble on a road might be unclean. A wagon wheel might dislodge it sending it airborne turning it into an unclean projectile.

In the Gospel of John the police of the chief priests (Sanhedrin) took Jesus to Pilate’s headquarters. They did not want to enter for fear they might be made unclean and have to miss the Passover observance. Pontius Pilate was a Roman Gentile not subject to Torah law.

Uncleanness is one of the topics discussed in the volumes of the Talmud where there were arguments about interpretation of the Torah between two Roman era rabbis named Hillel and Shammai.

 

[RDKirk]

They had theories such as not only is eating pork unclean, but touching someone who ate pork that day makes someone unclean and more extreme examples from the Talmud speculated sitting in a chair where someone unclean had sat makes one unclean. A woman in her period was quarantined for a week due to her ritual uncleanness. Touching a corpse made someone unclean.

Which is why the Levite and the priest had a reasonable cause directly from the Torah for not touching the possible corpse that the Samaritan had no reason not to touch. The Torah explicitly directs Levites to retain their ceremonial cleanliness at all times. Jesus' audience would have immediately grasped that initial legal aspect of His parable, before He went on to explain the better way of His covenant.

 

[dqhall]

Which is why the Levite and the priest had a reasonable cause directly from the Torah for not touching the possible corpse that the Samaritan had no reason not to touch. The Torah explicitly directs Levites to retain their ceremonial cleanliness at all times. Jesus' audience would have immediately grasped that initial legal aspect of His parable, before He went on to explain the better way of His covenant.

The Samaritans observed Torah commandments. They chose to sacrifice their Passover lambs on Mt. Gerazim instead of in the Temple complex at Jerusalem. They read from a Torah scroll. There is a Samaritan community on the side of Mt. Gerazim to this day. The first century Jewish historian Josephus wrote about them.

I think the Levite and priest did not want to be burdened with taking care of a wounded stranger. The Samaritan was more generous.

 

[RDKirk]

The Samaritans observed Torah commandments. They chose to sacrifice their Passover lambs on Mt. Gerazim instead of in the Temple complex at Jerusalem. They read from a Torah scroll. There is a Samaritan community on the side of Mt. Gerazim to this day. The first century Jewish historian Josephus wrote about them.

Jesus was not speaking to Samaritans, however, He was speaking to Jews who viewed His teaching through their Jewish goggles. Jews did not see Samaritans as obeying the Law sufficiently to acknowledge them as obeying the Law at all. Particularly, they did not atone for their sins in the temple at Jerusalem (which the Samaritan woman at the well also alluded to).

Jesus understood the prejudices of His audience, and He skewered those prejudices. He did the same thing with regard to the Syro-Phoenician woman, giving them a bit of rope and then hanging them on it.

 

[Richard.20.12]

Reading
1 Samuel 3:1 And the boy Samuel ministered to the LORD before Eli. Now in those days the word of the LORD was rare and visions were scarce.

we notice a key thing, something we also see in other places in the bible:

That God uses dreams and visions very often (more than other ways) to communicate to us, to give word/direction to his people.

Some visions have also Spoken Words from God, such as the vision in Acts 10, where the vision is a combination of seen images and spoken words, both.

11 He [Peter] saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

(Notice the vision recipient does not initially understand --)

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate.
Acts 10 NIV

But also in a dream a meaning sometimes will be given or come across also, communicated to us without spoken words somehow. (I know this first hand)

So, there are visual scenes in a vision, but also sometimes communicated meaning (that the recipient sometimes somehow understands an intended meaning, even without audible words), and then in some special visions, there are even audible spoken words. These are rare and special visions it seems, these that have audible words.

Now, as we all already realize, the recipient of the Genesis 1 revelation would not be able to himself be there in person during creation(!)....

Of course he lived much later than the time of creation...

So, to understand even a little, even just partially, this amazing and unexpected revelation, he would be given we can expect visual revelation (visually seen scenes just like Peter had in Acts 10), along with probably communicated partial understanding (we never understand 100% of everything in a vision right off the bat), and finally in this very special vision of revelation, also the Spoken Words of God.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

!

Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.

!

What an amazing vision this was, and what an amazing blessing to receive it.

To me Genesis doesn't read like a revelation (like Revelation). It reads likes like a chronological statement of events. And what cements that for me is the mentioning (6 times!) of "the evening and the morning" after each day's activity. That's not dreamy. That's chronological. God is itemizing what He did each day. The title of "Revelation" tells us how it was presented to John. Genesis is completely different.

 

[dqhall]

Jesus was not speaking to Samaritans, however, He was speaking to Jews who viewed His teaching through their Jewish goggles. Jews did not see Samaritans as obeying the Law sufficiently to acknowledge them as obeying the Law at all. Particularly, they did not atone for their sins in the temple at Jerusalem (which the Samaritan woman at the well also alluded to).

Jesus understood the prejudices of His audience, and He skewered those prejudices. He did the same thing with regard to the Syro-Phoenician woman, giving them a bit of rope and then hanging them on it.

Jesus taught it is more blessed to give than to receive. Some Jews were confident in their superiority. Jesus asked what one of the three was a better neighbor. Two of those on the road to Jericho might have reasoned the brutally beaten man was not their neighbor. The Samaritan thought he was supposed to rescue him.

I recall a passenger jet crew flying out of National Airport (DCA) one winter. They did not properly deice the wings in a winter storm. The plane could not get enough lift on takeoff and crashed into the 14th St Bridge across the Potomac from Virginia to DC. The plane went into the Potomac River. A rescue helicopter hovered near a few passengers in the water. They threw a rescue line with to a man. He passed it to woman who was pulled up to the helicopter and rescued. The man who gave the woman the lifeline went under before they could return for him. He gave up his life for another. The stewardess who was rescued expressed gratitude. I heard her testify about the rescue during a megachurch service years later.

 

[Richard.20.12]

Science is totally objective. Paleontologists, geologists, and astronomers repeatedly proved beyond doubts Earth was already over a billion years old by the time humans came into existence. That verse is about God's infinity. One day for us is very short in relation to God, who has no time restriction like things in the world do. It has nothing to do with how old Earth was when God created man.

There's a problem with the old Earth theory. And its the Bible and the account of Creation. How do you have an Earth so old without a sun being in existence yet? I'm not sure how to get around that problem. Somehow I think the sun would need to be here for anything to be here. Space is cold! Try absolute zero.

It makes perfect sense if we're talking about a vision-dream occurring during the night, and there are multiple scriptural precedents for that very thing.

In no place is there an idea of "evening and morning" being a 24-hour day; that idea is what makes no sense.

Except that every day has 24 hours. That's what we refer to as a "day". You're caught up in this vision-dream thing. I'm not. To me Genesis is a chronological order of events. You think God created things at night? Does anyone think that? Why would nighttime be chosen to get things done?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Likely, the Flood wasn't a global event. And the story of it was written by a man on the boat. It wasn't written by a man viewing earth from the moon.

Actually if the Pangea theory is correct it is possible it was a global thing at the time and over time the continents drifted apart and volcanoes raised up new lands etc. It is also possible that if the land was one continent that God could have timed the rotation of the earth with the position of the moon and the gravity of the moon could have helped in the flood also pulling water from the ocean on top of the land and keeping it there.