Could America be inching closer to civil war?

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Could America be inching closer to civil war?


What worries me about this article is Trump lost and the man and many republicans are fighting this hard. What scares me about Trump is he wants to be king an know one seems to care.
 

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What scares me about Trump is he wants to be king an know one seems to care.

He is 74. He just lost elections and his mental state seems to be bit iffy looking at that latest phone call fiasco. He won’t be around for long.
 
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If you hear someone talking about an armed revolt, just point them toward Syria and tell them this is what a civil war looks like. However, here in the US it'd be 10 times worse as more people have guns and the US military is the strongest in the world.

No president whomever he/she is, will allow a radical group of rebels to take control of the nation. If things got too bad, I have no doubt that the president will revert to everything necessary to stay in power, including using chemical weapons.
 
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Could we be inching closer to civil war?

It's a worthy question.

And the answer is this: ONLY IF the elected authorities continue to allow insurrectionists to have free reign, without consequences, as they destroy property, attack innocent and peaceful people, etc. as we saw this past year happen in Kenosha, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, and other of our large cities.

If the law enforcement officials do their jobs, there will be nothing approaching civil war. But if the elected officials side with the Antifa types, there is a chance of it getting out of hand. Actually, there is already evidence of that happening. Check the statistics for all manner of violent crime in our cities since those earlier riots and anyone can see that lawlessness begets lawlessness, even when what was claimed during the original riots to be the purpose behind them is no longer a factor.
 
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I believe if Trump manages to overturn the election, you will in fact see civil war.

I don't believe it will happen, but I didn't believe Trump would win the GOP Primary in the last election.
 
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I believe if Trump manages to overturn the election, you will in fact see civil war.

The footsoldiers of the far left are probably hoping for their chance.

But I agree that the election is very unlikely to be overturned, and the Congressmen who are promising to challenge the electors tomorrow know that also.
 
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The footsoldiers of the far left are probably hoping for their chance.

But I agree that the election is very unlikely to be overturned, and the Congressmen who are promising to challenge the electors tomorrow know that also.

I'm not sure of the so-called footsoldiers of the far left being armed and ready for an armed revolt as of yet.

They will begin to arm themselves if Trump somehow managed to overturn the election, but he doesn't have popular support from the silent majority on this, so I don't think that will happen.
 
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At this point i can see it.
We are so divided and we have a bunch of people following and devoting themselves to a man who has the mentality of a 5 year old . Nothing is off the table regardless of how far out it would seem.
Should just break up tbh. Red keeps the red states , blue keep the blue.
 
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I'm not sure of the so-called footsoldiers of the far left being armed and ready for an armed revolt as of yet.

Their actions have been all over the news for almost a year now, Jim! All that they need for a new round is another call to arms from Pelosi or Maxine Walters, after which they will almost certainly swing into action again.

Your point probably is that the masses of people who are not Marxists or black supremacists, etc. are unlikely to join in. That's probably true, but when innocent, law-abiding people have their homes and persons threatened with violence, there is a limit to how much "standing aside" they can do. That is when the willingness of the governments and the police to do their sworn duty can make all the difference...or, if there is no such response, guarantee the rioters success.
 
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but when innocent, law-abiding people have their homes and persons threatened with violence, there is a limit to how much "standing aside" they can do.

Or when the same believe criminals have stolen an election, there may also be a "limit"....

Either the normally law-abiding:
- will remain law-abiding and face the steal and seek to change the course of politics
- will determine that the system is broken and criminality needs to be met with force
- will return to its essentially passive & entertained state as usual and allow the criminality to continue to expand to the "limit"
- or ?????????????

In case no one has been watching, things have been worsening for much longer than the past 4 years. All we're seeing is an existing divide reaching towards its "limit"

lawlessness begets lawlessness

And lawlessness begets righteous response. Many things in play here.
 
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Or when the same believe criminals have stolen an election, there may also be a "limit"....
Much less likely. For one thing, the "action" has already begun on the left side of the political spectrum. Against that, you are guessing that something might happen if....

Also, you are describing two quite different types of people. The one is committed to violence, the other values law and order. This isn't true of every last person who might be generally aligned either against or for the President, but it is true as a general rule.

That's a lot to get past in order for what you are speculating to come to pass.
 
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what you are speculating to come to pass

I'm not really speculating anything. This is why I put forth a few thoughts ending with an opening for more possibilities - even a mixture of possibilities since we're dealing with [mixtures of] humanity.
 
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I'm not really speculating anything.

?? Maybe you mean that although you offered quite a range of guesses, you didn't come down on the side of any particular one of those scenarios.

This is why I put forth a few thoughts ending with an opening for more possibilities - even a mixture of possibilities since we're dealing with [mixtures of] humanity.
Okay, then I'll opine that those were what we might call theoretical possibilities, but against them we have the other side showing a "proven record" that informs us of how likely they are to turn to violence.
 
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Antifa is arming, that is fact.

In Virginia they held a 2A rally at the capital, and when we heard word that Antifa was bussing in, we thought surely they were planning on counter protests..

Shocked everyone when they were there to join the rally..

(The rally was because COVID restrictions makes it illegal to carry a firearm. Wearing a mask your not legally allowed to also be armed, effectively removing people's 2A amendment rights)
 
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?? Maybe you mean that although you offered quite a range of guesses, you didn't come down on the side of any particular one of those scenarios.


Okay, then I'll opine that those were what we might call theoretical possibilities, but against them we have the other side showing a "proven record" that informs us of how likely they are to turn to violence.

Fair enough & both accepted.

The normally law-abiding are the wild-card. If they do ultimately respond it has to be a "limit" you mentioned. I think most have one even though I do read few who side [theoretically] into complete passivity no matter what.
 
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Antifa doesn't have a centralized organization. They behave more akin to a flash mob and show up when there's suppose to be a peace protest of some sort.
 
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Antifa doesn't have a centralized organization. They behave more akin to a flash mob and show up when there's suppose to be a peace protest of some sort.
Flash mobs require organization. You can't get two people together at the same place and time without it.
 
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All of this is moot troops are already preparing to support Biden during his inauguration. I don't care how many hardcore right-wing extremist get their underwear in a twist. They are not strong enough to take on the United States military. I already read a few articles about it. And if you want to know what articles go ahead and Google it cuz I'm not doing it for you
 
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Portland Mayor, Who Blamed Trump for Unrest, Vows to Get Tough With Antifa Ted Wheeler in Portland is starting to take a stronger stance against ANTIFA . Looks like they're no longer useful for the left .
 
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