Corporal punishment

[Pastor Visser]

So you advocate killing anyone accused of breaking the law?

No, especially not man's inferior law.

 

[Spinrad]

No, especially not man's inferior law.

So which ones then? Murderers, Theives, Liars, Idolators, Blasphemers, Heretics...?

 

[Pastor Visser]

So which ones then? Murderers, Theives, Liars, Idolators, Blasphemers, Heretics...?

Read The Book and see.

 

[Spinrad]

All have sinned and fallen short.

 

[Pastor Visser]

All have sinned and fallen short.

Go, and sin no more:

Luk 19:27; "Mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

;-)

 

[Spinrad]

So no need to execute.

 

[Henaynei]

it is not meant as a punishment - but as a deterrant and "to remove the evil" from society... that is what G-d said about it....

 

[Spinrad]

I live in the US. What God does or doesn't say about it is irrelevant.

 

[Spinrad]

Go, and sin no more:



;-)

Interesting. God as schizophrenic.

 

[Rae]

Corporal punishment = spanking a child who's done wrong.

Capital punishment = state executing someone convicted of murder.

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[Henaynei]

I live in the US. What God does or doesn't say about it is irrelevant.

LOL - I live in the US as well - what does that have to do with the relevance of G-d's intent concerning corporal punishment, esp when the OP included scriptural evidence in stating the premise for this thread?

 

[Pastor Visser]

Interesting. God as schizophrenic.

Actually, the word is omnipotent (Revelation 19:6).

That means all things -- angel to the righteous and demon to the wicked.

 

[Spinrad]

Actually, the word is omnipotent (Revelation 19:6).

That means all things -- angel to the righteous and demon to the wicked.

Of course if he were omnipotent then he would have no need of angelic or demonic aspects, but that is another fork in a different road. The word was, in fact, schizophrenic. One time saying one thing, another time another on what appears to be the same subject. One might rather come up with different owrds, but I imagine they get you banned around here, and I walk with six warnings already.

REGARDLESS, I am an enemy of God and his people, because I disbelieve and do my best to instill doubt in all I encounter. When shall I expect you? And how do you prefer to shake it out?

 

[Spinrad]

LOL - I live in the US as well - what does that have to do with the relevance of G-d's intent concerning corporal punishment, esp when the OP included scriptural evidence in stating the premise for this thread?

Fair enough. but I thought there was a distinction between his opinion and his question, and I have been arguing that scriptural reasons are not good enough for the US penal codes, in one way or another. If you follow the train of thought you can see we veered into this more interesting aspect of the conversation, which is why I posted that comment. But it's not strictly relevant to the OP anymore. I concede.

 

[Pastor Visser]

REGARDLESS, I am an enemy of God and his people, because I disbelieve and do my best to instill doubt in all I encounter. When shall I expect you? And how do you prefer to shake it out?

God lets people make as big an ass out of themselves as they want to -- some of us like to think for ourselves.

 

[Spinrad]

God lets people make as big an ass out of themselves as they want to -- some of us like to think for ourselves.

So what was that scripture about bringing me before God so he could enjoy watching you slay me? Doubletalk? Kind of like posting it and the "sin no more" verses together without comment?

 

[Pastor Visser]

So what was that scripture about bringing me before God so he could enjoy watching you slay me? Doubletalk? Kind of like posting it and the "sin no more" verses together without comment?

No, that scripture was the very Words of Christ:

Luke 19:27; "Those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Saying "all have sinned" doesn't mean all are active sinners, lol.

Think about what you're suggesting for a minute -- if all sin is equal in the eyes of God than there's no unpardonable sin (Mat 12:31; Mar 3:29; Luk 12:10; 1Jo 5:16-17). There are New Testament sins unto death, friend.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein (Rom 6:1-2)?

I'm sure it makes no sense to you.

 

[Moros]

"Hanging one scoundrel, it appears, does not deter the next. Well, what of it? The first one is at least disposed of."
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[Spinrad]

No, that scripture was the very Words of Christ:



Saying "all have sinned" doesn't mean all are active sinners, lol.

Think about what you're suggesting for a minute -- if all sin is equal in the eyes of God than there's no unpardonable sin (Mat 12:31; Mar 3:29; Luk 12:10; 1Jo 5:16-17). There are New Testament sins unto death, friend.



I'm sure it makes no sense to you.

Really? Not all active sinners? Then your acts justify you before God. Grace is given once only, then you are cured of all desire to sin? And what is that sin unto death? Blasphemy? Done it. So where are you? Why do I live? There must be some overriding law for those of us here on Earth, yes? Wait, wasn't homosexuality something you mentioned earlier? How many have you "brought before the Lord", then? Again, seems like God's law is not something we are following here on Earth except in specific cases. This rather suggests to me that here on earth we don't really govern according to God's rules.

Moreover, it seems you mystical types only follow the God rules that my government allows you to follow. And you all can't even agree on which of those rules still apply under grace anyway. You say Forsaken, They say Forgiven: let's call the whole thing off. Bottom Line: No one apart from the insane - not even the tough talkers for Jesus - is killing anyone for breaking God's laws unless those laws happen to coincide with man's laws. And thanks to flaming liberals like me even that may not be long for this earth.

Hey, by the way, I will let you know when you and I are friends.

 

[Pastor Visser]

Really? Not all active sinners? Then your acts justify you before God. Grace is given once only, then you are cured of all desire to sin? And what is that sin unto death? Blasphemy? Done it. So where are you? Why do I live? There must be some overriding law for those of us here on Earth, yes? Wait, wasn't homosexuality something you mentioned earlier? How many have you "brought before the Lord", then? Again, seems like God's law is not something we are following here on Earth except in specific cases. This rather suggests to me that here on earth we don't really govern according to God's rules.

No, we don't -- and you still wonder where the problems come from?

They deleted the thread were I proved the Law is forever, somehow I think you don't really care.

I do know this:

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Either God is lying or you are. Problem is -- God can't lie.

Moreover, it seems you mystical types only follow the God rules that my government allows you to follow. And you all can't even agree on which of those rules still apply under grace anyway. You say Forsaken, They say Forgiven: let's call the whole thing off. Bottom Line: No one apart from the insane - not even the tough talkers for Jesus - is killing anyone for breaking God's laws unless those laws happen to coincide with man's laws. And thanks to flaming liberals like me even that may not be long for this earth.

Where I'm from that's called pre-judging somebody.

Hey, by the way, I will let you know when you and I are friends.

Any friend of Jesus is a...well, never mind.