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Aria said:
Check it out first. A lot of the so-called Catholic schools in the Los Angeles diocese are far from Catholic - and many of the student come out believing in abortion. My next door neighbor sent his kids to the local Catholic school and he was really shocked.

LOL. Consider the source. I am shocked that such a thing would happen in LA of all places... under the Shepherd of orthodox Catholicism? ;)

Of course I would check it out, but for several reasons, I much prefer to send my kids to a good Catholic School or to a good public school in a district if need be. Home schooling is not appealing to myself or my gf although we do plan on supplementing our kids education. There are many good public schools where kids can go to get a good education and many cases a more well-rounded education than at some parochial schools (becasue of their limited resources and size) and how what they come out believing is, in many cases, a reflection of the parent more than the school.

I know I am in the minority here in supporting Public Education (Although I still prefer a good Catholic School) over homeschooling... but that's just how I feel about it. I certainly won't tell anyone else they shouldn't homeschool their kid. It is a right that parents should have and a right that I could concieve using were the circumstances extreme enough.

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Xpycoctomos said:
I know I am in the minority here in supporting Public Education (Although I still prefer a good Catholic School) over homeschooling... but that's just how I feel about it. I certainly won't tell anyone else they shouldn't homeschool their kid. It is a right that parents should have and a right that I could concieve using were the circumstances extreme enough.

John

You're not alone John. We moved to the township we live in specifically because the schools were so highly rated. The fact is private school is a lot of money, and that's money on top of what has already gone in to your property taxes.

We'll see how it goes, I've heard some nutty things about public schools lately. I was also friends with the kids who came in to my school from Catholic school after 8th grade and they were total trouble makers.

Besides, I went to public school and just look at me. Oh wait, never mind.
 
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This is a post from OC.net (would have provided a link, but alas! I don't have sufficient posts yet):

I grew up Southern Baptist, but I had had some exposure to the charismatic movement in high school, so ORU was a wonderful thing, I thought, in terms of all the charismatic stuff. I liked the upbeat, energetic thing that was happening...finally, it was all right to be emotional in worship instead of just tolerating dry, stuffy ritual! But after about a semester and a half...well...all of a sudden I was having second thoughts about emotionistic worship. I saw the weird excesses that emotional experiences can drive Christians to. These included falling on the ground a la Benny Hinn (who used to be Orthodox, BTW), barking like dogs, "manifestations" of the "Spirit" like speaking in tongues (nonsensical babbling), "prophetic words" from God (appeals to the law of averages for getting something accurate about a total stranger (either that or wonderful, positive messages that the receiver WANTED to be true) and bizarre mantras we were expected to chant ("MONEEEEEEEEEY COMETH! TO ME! NOW!") No foolin'. It made me realize that this could not be authentic, original, New Testament Christianity -- at which point I realized I didn't even know what original, NT Christianity was. So I started looking into early Christian history towards the end of my freshman year, for two reasons. One, I wanted to compare the spirituality of the early Church with all the prosperity, all-healing-all-the-time, and/or everything-is-all-good-between-me-and-God sprituality that goes on today in American Charismaticism. Two, I wanted, to borrow a Southern Baptist phrase, "to get back to the New Testament Church."

So I looked at the earliest documents outside the Bible in order to get some context going...specifically, I read the Apostolic Fathers (i.e., Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp), followed by Ireneaus, Cyprian, Tertullian, Origen. To make a long story VERY short, I got more than I bargained for. Not only did I quickly find condemnations of the things that went on at ORU (which was pretty much Montanism revisited), I found my own Baptist upbringing being uprooted by things like strictly liturgical worship, an elevated role for Mary, prayers for the dead and to the saints, confession to a priest, the Eucharist being the actual body/blood of Christ, baptismal regeneration, the absence of "Eternal Security," and adamant anti-denominationalism.

So I couldn't stay were I had been. I went from Episcopalian masses to Roman Catholic masses, to see what they had to say. I loved the worship; this was my first taste of apostolic Christian worship, or "heaven on earth," as it's been called. Due to things I was finding in the Fathers (and things I wasn't finding), I stopped going to masses and attended an Eastern Orthodox liturgy at St. Antony's Antiochian Orthodox Church. Hated it the first time I went; much preferred the Western confessions' worship. Nevertheless, after a while I was amazed to see such similarity in doctrine between what the early Church said, what Scripture said in light of her interpretation, and what this Orthodox priest was saying. Several liturgies (which began to grow on me), books, prayers, questions, answers, and all-nighters later (I did so much research on this that my studies suffered!), I decided to become a catechumen.

Something was happening at the time at ORU, unbeknownst to me, in terms of Orthodoxy; I found out that I was not the only one to be moving in on this train of thought. I was shocked (yet again) to find ORU grads already in St. Antony's ! More than that, there were a few folks here on campus who were beginning to ask similar questions! And more that that, the priest himself was an alum from ORU, and said that back in the late 70s or early 80s, when he was in seminary there, he and about 20 other people converted to Orthodoxy (about 6 of whom became priests). Something similar apparently started up again, as I can think of about 30 to 40 other people from ORU right off the top of my head that either have become Orthodox already or are seriously considering becoming so.

I don't know if the faculty at ORU really knew what to do with all this; letters were circulated, professors started bringing it up in classes (some of which had nothing to do with theology!) even the president of the university mentioned during the chapel service that ORU was in complete agreement with the early church Fathers! Why I would want to look to the past was lost on many there (My RA one year actually said I was crazy to look to the past for my belief). I blame what I call the "chosen generation syndrome" for this. This horrible mindset is VERY attractive to teenagers and young adults, and even to some adults who haven't grown up yet! The idea, basically, is that our parents' generation has dropped the ball (along with that of our grandparents, and so on) regarding taking Christ to the nations, bringing healing and a change to the political climate of the US, but never fear, because God is doing A NEW THING, which (of course), we were on the front lines of! WE were the ones who would CHANGE IT ALL, and the power of God would be evident in this. Which basically gave us license, in our eyes, to let happen whatever we wanted or deemed necessary, because we were on the verge of some "breakthrough" that would require something the world had NEVER SEEN BEFORE--certainly nothing a 2,000-year-old liturgical, man-made religion could provide. So we were left to either swallow what they gave us or suffer the guilt trips of "Don't touch God's annointed!" if we questioned what someone said in chapel. No wonder we all left. No wonder ORU is now jokingly dubbed the "St. Vlad's of the South"; I think more Orthodox come out of there than any other school that's not an Orthodox seminary than any other school in the country.

So there y'go.
 
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Pyotr said:
This is a post from OC.net (would have provided a link, but alas! I don't have sufficient posts yet):

I grew up Southern Baptist, but I had had some exposure to the charismatic movement in high school, so ORU was a wonderful thing, I thought, in terms of all the charismatic stuff. I liked the upbeat, energetic thing that was happening...finally, it was all right to be emotional in worship instead of just tolerating dry, stuffy ritual! But after about a semester and a half...well...all of a sudden I was having second thoughts about emotionistic worship. I saw the weird excesses that emotional experiences can drive Christians to. These included falling on the ground a la Benny Hinn (who used to be Orthodox, BTW), barking like dogs, "manifestations" of the "Spirit" like speaking in tongues (nonsensical babbling), "prophetic words" from God (appeals to the law of averages for getting something accurate about a total stranger (either that or wonderful, positive messages that the receiver WANTED to be true) and bizarre mantras we were expected to chant ("MONEEEEEEEEEY COMETH! TO ME! NOW!") No foolin'. It made me realize that this could not be authentic, original, New Testament Christianity -- at which point I realized I didn't even know what original, NT Christianity was. So I started looking into early Christian history towards the end of my freshman year, for two reasons. One, I wanted to compare the spirituality of the early Church with all the prosperity, all-healing-all-the-time, and/or everything-is-all-good-between-me-and-God sprituality that goes on today in American Charismaticism. Two, I wanted, to borrow a Southern Baptist phrase, "to get back to the New Testament Church."

So I looked at the earliest documents outside the Bible in order to get some context going...specifically, I read the Apostolic Fathers (i.e., Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp), followed by Ireneaus, Cyprian, Tertullian, Origen. To make a long story VERY short, I got more than I bargained for. Not only did I quickly find condemnations of the things that went on at ORU (which was pretty much Montanism revisited), I found my own Baptist upbringing being uprooted by things like strictly liturgical worship, an elevated role for Mary, prayers for the dead and to the saints, confession to a priest, the Eucharist being the actual body/blood of Christ, baptismal regeneration, the absence of "Eternal Security," and adamant anti-denominationalism.

So I couldn't stay were I had been. I went from Episcopalian masses to Roman Catholic masses, to see what they had to say. I loved the worship; this was my first taste of apostolic Christian worship, or "heaven on earth," as it's been called. Due to things I was finding in the Fathers (and things I wasn't finding), I stopped going to masses and attended an Eastern Orthodox liturgy at St. Antony's Antiochian Orthodox Church. Hated it the first time I went; much preferred the Western confessions' worship. Nevertheless, after a while I was amazed to see such similarity in doctrine between what the early Church said, what Scripture said in light of her interpretation, and what this Orthodox priest was saying. Several liturgies (which began to grow on me), books, prayers, questions, answers, and all-nighters later (I did so much research on this that my studies suffered!), I decided to become a catechumen.

Something was happening at the time at ORU, unbeknownst to me, in terms of Orthodoxy; I found out that I was not the only one to be moving in on this train of thought. I was shocked (yet again) to find ORU grads already in St. Antony's ! More than that, there were a few folks here on campus who were beginning to ask similar questions! And more that that, the priest himself was an alum from ORU, and said that back in the late 70s or early 80s, when he was in seminary there, he and about 20 other people converted to Orthodoxy (about 6 of whom became priests). Something similar apparently started up again, as I can think of about 30 to 40 other people from ORU right off the top of my head that either have become Orthodox already or are seriously considering becoming so.

I don't know if the faculty at ORU really knew what to do with all this; letters were circulated, professors started bringing it up in classes (some of which had nothing to do with theology!) even the president of the university mentioned during the chapel service that ORU was in complete agreement with the early church Fathers! Why I would want to look to the past was lost on many there (My RA one year actually said I was crazy to look to the past for my belief). I blame what I call the "chosen generation syndrome" for this. This horrible mindset is VERY attractive to teenagers and young adults, and even to some adults who haven't grown up yet! The idea, basically, is that our parents' generation has dropped the ball (along with that of our grandparents, and so on) regarding taking Christ to the nations, bringing healing and a change to the political climate of the US, but never fear, because God is doing A NEW THING, which (of course), we were on the front lines of! WE were the ones who would CHANGE IT ALL, and the power of God would be evident in this. Which basically gave us license, in our eyes, to let happen whatever we wanted or deemed necessary, because we were on the verge of some "breakthrough" that would require something the world had NEVER SEEN BEFORE--certainly nothing a 2,000-year-old liturgical, man-made religion could provide. So we were left to either swallow what they gave us or suffer the guilt trips of "Don't touch God's annointed!" if we questioned what someone said in chapel. No wonder we all left. No wonder ORU is now jokingly dubbed the "St. Vlad's of the South"; I think more Orthodox come out of there than any other school that's not an Orthodox seminary than any other school in the country.

So there y'go.

Is ORU still considered St. Vlads of the South?
 
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Hi,

Well, to post a short version of my conversion story, I was brought up Lutheran although I was baptised in an Anglican church, Lutheran ones being hard to find here. When I was 18 I decided to go to work as a missionary (religiously motivated aid worker rather than evangelist) in Romania. I worked with children at the notorious Spital de Copii Neuropsihici in Siret, Bucovina. (Pictures of this institution have recently been shown on the BBC news website, including the specific kids I worked with). Whilst there I became fascinated by Romanian history and the started visiting the local monasteries. In one I met a fantastic monk (whose name I unfortunately never got) who showed such a loving, sincere and enthusiastic example that I thought, 'Wow, that's real Christianity!' He gave me a prayer book, which I still use, and I started reading up on Orthodoxy. Eventually, several years later, I entered the catechumenate and shortly after was married in a Church in Romania. I was finally accepted into the Orthodox Church in March 2003, four months before our first child was born after I told my priest I would like it if the whole family were Orthodox in time for my son's baptism. He agreed and the rest is history.

James
 
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Welcome to TAW James. A very moving story. There is a lot of stuff you've left out that one can read in between the lines.
I'm happy to have another member on the east of the Greenwich Line, as this place gets very quiet during Europe and Africa's working day.:)
We're all looking forward to seeing you post more here.
BTW, our sympathy goes out to you at this time over the recent attacks.
Many years, James!
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Rilian said:
I saw that earlier in the week James. The stories were heartbreaking. Have you been back recently?

I haven't been back to Siret since last August, though I do go fairly frequently - mostly to visit friends and my wife's family. I actually knew Kate McGeown (the reporter who wrote those BBC articles) back in '96 when she was volunteering at the 'Neuro' and one of the pictures was of the exact room of kids I worked with. One of the people Kate quoted is also a family friend (my godmother's godmother), though she described her as a pharmacist when she is in fact the chief medical lab technician in the town. Another error was describing the hospital building as communist era when it was actually used as a barracks by German troops in WWII, but those minor mistakes aside, the articles were pretty good, and very close to home.

The 'Neuro' was actually shut down a few years back (I think it was in 2000 or 2001) so I don't actually see many of the kids any more. I occasionally bump into some of those that stayed in Siret and one is a family friend who now has his own flat, lives independently and workd as an electrician - so it's not all doom and gloom. Some others work in the Swedish furniture factory which used to be managed by my sister-in-law's husband. It's a pretty close-knit community and I think I have at least a passing acquaintance with most of the town.

Some of the kids I worked with have since died, of course, several having suffered from HIV or Hepatitis B and I unfortunately missed the funeral of one child I'd worked with quite closely by about a week. I wish I'd been able to get back a little earlier. A lot has changed since the mid-nineties, but I still absolutely love the town, the people and Romania in general (Bucharest excepted) and I hope to retire out there eventually. If I ever get the opportunity I'd also dearly like to attend the seminary in Iasi.

James
 
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jmbejdl said:
I occasionally bump into some of those that stayed in Siret and one is a family friend who now has his own flat, lives independently and workd as an electrician - so it's not all doom and gloom.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flat
flat 2 javascript:play('F0169700')(flăt)

n.

1. An apartment on one floor of a building.



James, Remember that most Americans don't know what a 'flat' is. You'll have to polish up your american vocabulary.:)
 
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prodromos said:
I had a flat whilst driving at 120 km/h a couple of months ago. The tyre was completely shredded!

Yah, there's those too - can be kinda dangerous at that speed John. Your angels were looking out for you.:)

Actually, at that dictionary site http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flat, I never realised there were so many 'flat' meanings.:p
 
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Kolya et al,

Well, I will continue to use flat when speaking English - I may not be British ethnically, but I grew up here, so that's how I speak. Incidentally, even my Romanian wife says flat in English, despite the Romanian word being apartament. I wouldn't have thought it would actually cause confusion - if I had been talking about chips, though, there might be some scope for misunderstanding.

James
 
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